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calvin natt said:
I can’t compare Gasol and Nurk because of their brains. Nurk could be way better than Gasol and that is saying a LOT. But he won’t be.
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Wait a second here. Marc Gasol was 8 years in the league before really starting to excel. Nurk is 8 years with two lost to injury. Nurk with a new coach and a better system might surprise.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Wait a second here. Marc Gasol was 8 years in the league before really starting to excel. Nurk is 8 years with two lost to injury. Nurk with a new coach and a better system might surprise.
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exactly, he entered the league when he was 23 yo and took a leap when he was 31 yo, in his 9th season

nurk will turn 27 yo next month, he should be entering his prime now, just with the new coach, who very well could be a right one for nurk

nurk has basically lost three seasons to injuries (after rookie season had knee surgery and played 32 games following season when he came back and then lost almost entire season with portland after he broke his leg and then last season broke his wrist and missed half of the season)... i also remember ankle injury while with denver and other leg break with portland... its a shame, injuries really prevented him from becoming an all-star level player, but im hopeful he can still become one
 
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Mr. Robot said:
exactly, he entered the league when he was 23 yo and took a leap when he was 31 yo, in his 9th season

nurk will turn 27 yo next month, he should be entering his prime now, just with the new coach, who very well could be a right one for nurk

nurk has basically lost three seasons to injuries (after rookie season had knee surgery and played 32 games following season when he came back and then lost almost entire season with portland after he broke his leg and then last season broke his wrist and missed half of the season)... i also remember ankle injury while with denver and other leg break with portland... its a shame, injuries really prevented him from becoming an all-star level player, but im hopeful he can still become one
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Nurk has some potential and hopefully he is able to show it know in the new situation. Especially if Simmons will be in the roster he has to shoot threes and adopt his game (something he can do in my view).
And it is really a shame that people are stopped by injuries as it also affects the team's successes (of course the players suffer the most).
 
Fairly-Hard said:
Wait a second here. Marc Gasol was 8 years in the league before really starting to excel. Nurk is 8 years with two lost to injury. Nurk with a new coach and a better system might surprise.
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Gasol was an all star in his 4th season. 2nd All NBA team and DPOY in his 5th season.
 
Really Bottom Line is i hope a new coach helps Nurk out and he becomes a better all around player and has a good healthy season. It's time the Blazers had a healthy season.
 
nurk started practicing bball when he was 14 yo and five years later he was in the nba

i wonder how much better he would be if he started practicing bball earlier
 
It's funny i like him so much as a player but first with the talk few years ago by some blind Blazers fans that he is better than Jokic and now with all this blame everything else except for Nurk thing i m starting to like him less lol

I hope at least people close to him and his trainers hold him accountable for his brain farts on the floor
 
GDiama said:
It's funny i like him so much as a player but first with the talk few years ago by some blind Blazers fans that he is better than Jokic and now with all this blame everything else except for Nurk thing i m starting to like him less lol

I hope at least people close to him and his trainers hold him accountable for his brain farts on the floor
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That's fair, but he was on an ascent to become an top tier center before the injury. It's been a slow climb back after. Some maybe due to his mental focus, and maybe some due to not putting enough work into his craft. Not everyone's Dame. But i think his new coaches will help get him back on track.
 
nurk is in bosnia & herzegovina and has talked a little bit about the next season

"i dont know when im going back to the usa, but im working every day with my coach and i have a team of people around me... im expecting one of my best seasons in the nba if not the best, cause of the new head coach chauncey billups with whom ive had hours long conversation and he promised some big things and im excited as never before"
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youre welcome mothefuckers
 
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Chris Craig said:
Who did?

Opponents
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Ahm, 2nd most efficient offense in the league? Doubt that. What opponents loved was the blazers defense, which iirc was forced on stotts at the start of the year and proved to be worse than the years before.

I still think the issue was and continues to be the roster. Maybe billups can change my mind, but without roster changes, expect the same stuff going forward, an opinion that seemingly is shared by the franchise player.
 
Mr. Robot said:
nurk is in bosnia & herzegovina and has talked a little bit about the next season



youre welcome mothefuckers
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A ton of the Dame chatter also subsided after he met with Chauncey and Neil. So it's pretty clear Chauncey is having a huge impact already. I just hope it's not a temporary bandaid and puts less pressure on Olshey of having to do anything drastic.
 
Mr. Robot said:
nurk started practicing bball when he was 14 yo and five years later he was in the nba

i wonder how much better he would be if he started practicing bball earlier
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Exactly the same. He's practiced and played thousands of hours since then. I hear this sentiment a lot but I kind of doubt the years 10 through 13 are make-or-break for a basketball player.
 
Apparently Nurk also said the starting 5 won’t change…
 
andalusian said:
Ahm, 2nd most efficient offense in the league? Doubt that. What opponents loved was the blazers defense, which iirc was forced on stotts at the start of the year and proved to be worse than the years before.

I still think the issue was and continues to be the roster. Maybe billups can change my mind, but without roster changes, expect the same stuff going forward, an opinion that seemingly is shared by the franchise player.
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This might make sense if opposing players didn’t go on record and say “The Blazers have a basic offense” and that our coach “doesn’t know what to do when we double you (Damian) in the (playoffs).”

Let’s look at how efficient our offense *tends* to be in the playoffs.

Also, part of our offensive efficiency is sheer brilliance of shot making skill. It’s not like Stotts scheme is getting people so fucking wide open that we can’t be stopped.

Part of offense is ball movement, player movement, etc. The ball sticks, have hardly any player movement, and very rarely do we ever get easy buckets. We are incredibly easy to guard from a philosophical perspective.

The issue - and what I’ve been saying for years - is that because of Damian (and CJ to a lesser extent) it covers up how pathetic our offense is when Dame can pull up from anywhere on the court. Our offense sucks from a philosophical perspective. It works, mainly outside of the playoffs, solely because of Dame. Then they double him in the playoffs and we are fucked. Super fun times. Glad that trash can of a coach is gone.

I was looking forward to Stotts getting another job so we could see how that fucked up offense would do without Dame.

I think defense and roster are definitely issues. Not a championship roster or defense. But not worthy of a first round loss.

I wish I had more faith in Neil that I could say “no, he’s saying look… this roster should’ve made it past the first round. That was a coaching failure, not a roster failure. Getting past the second? Probably wouldn’t have happened and that’s a failure on my part. I’ve got to be better.”

Our offense has been a major problem in multiple playoff losses. Of course so has the defense. But when your identity is your offense and that is failing you… yeah, that’s a sign.
 
Simply need more effort on defense and more scoring from the wing's. If we add one solid defender in the back court and a legit scoring 3/4 we would be improved.
 
BBert said:
Exactly the same. He's practiced and played thousands of hours since then. I hear this sentiment a lot but I kind of doubt the years 10 through 13 are make-or-break for a basketball player.
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Considering most players start playing basketball at probably 6-7 years old, I'd say when you're 16-20 you make a lot of improvements, and even more so the older you get. Look at Damian, he's made a LOT of improvements in the last 5 years, and that's well after he's been playing for 10-13 years.
 
andalusian said:
Ahm, 2nd most efficient offense in the league? Doubt that. What opponents loved was the blazers defense, which iirc was forced on stotts at the start of the year and proved to be worse than the years before.

I still think the issue was and continues to be the roster. Maybe billups can change my mind, but without roster changes, expect the same stuff going forward, an opinion that seemingly is shared by the franchise player.
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Ding ding ding! Most teams target the opponents weak link on D by running high pick and rolls forcing switches until they get their desired matchup where either they've decided size or speed advantage. Against this Portland roster they've multiple great options to go after. Dame & CJ are undersized guarding mosts wings while Nurk struggles to keep up vs PGs & wings. The Blazers have been trying to overcome these multiple sieves by outgunning their opponents for years now. How anyone thinks changing coaches is going to change this is beyond me.

STOMP
 
BBert said:
Exactly the same. He's practiced and played thousands of hours since then. I hear this sentiment a lot but I kind of doubt the years 10 through 13 are make-or-break for a basketball player.
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Hakeem came to the game even later in life...

STOMP
 
julius said:
Considering most players start playing basketball at probably 6-7 years old, I'd say when you're 16-20 you make a lot of improvements, and even more so the older you get. Look at Damian, he's made a LOT of improvements in the last 5 years, and that's well after he's been playing for 10-13 years.
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Nurk's problems aren't with under developed skills. He's one of the most skilled true bigs in the league. He can put the ball on the floor, is a phenomenal passer/facilitator from anywhere on the court, he uses his size to protect the rim and box people out after missed shots and his footwork is solid on both ends. He doesn't need to develop more shots, unless it's a set three for wide open takes (which he already seems to have).

He has to change his mind and stop trying to reinvent the wheel. When you're as big and athletic as him, you dunk the ball at point blank. You don't try spinning hook shots, you don't do whatever you call the flip thing he does from barely above his head... when you can you throw the ball down through the hoop because you know that shot will succeed. Nurk can do that every time he's near the rim, he has that ability. He just thinks he's different and more skilled, at least that's what he's said. So the time he's been playing has nothing to do with it. He might start hitting more threes and get even better at passing but what separates Jusuf from being a 22+ and 10 guy is taking the ball up and finishing strong. His field goal percentage would go up at least from 50% to 65% and he'd get fed more.
 
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