NYPD: 2 Gay Men Attacked Outside Movie Theater In Chelsea

[DaLincolnJones]

Holding hands?

wow.

Are you asking for it if you hold hands with your girlfriend or wife?

just wow.

come on Denny..you have been almost genuine to this point, and a bit of fun to banter with...dont go side ways on me now..it was obvious in the story that they were doing more than holding hands...

 

[VanillaGorilla]

No one asks for it. Ever.

It is extremely unlikely that this is true.

 

[Denny Crane]

Way to avoid the question when you make (another) silly statement.

Maybe you should re-read what I wrote. Wow, just wow. Clueless.

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There was no outrageous behavior.

 

[Denny Crane]

come on Denny..you have been almost genuine to this point, and a bit of fun to banter with...dont go side ways on me now..it was obvious in the story that they were doing more than holding hands...

So what?

Who were they hurting? Who were they assaulting?

 

[porkchopexpress]

Way to avoid the question when you make (another) silly statement.

Maybe you should re-read what I wrote. Wow, just wow. Clueless.

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What you described happens all the time by straight couples in bars. Are they asking for it too?

 

[DaLincolnJones]

No one asks for it, ever.

and to make sure we are not going to be avoided on some hair splitting BS point that you may belabour

while "it" may not be asked for, ones actions may be rewarded just the same.

 

[Further]

Some men hear about a woman in a short skirt getting raped and say "she was asking for it". That's just dumb. Perhaps she could have been more cautious and lived her life in such a way to never make anyone attracted to her, but most of us agree that the woman is not asking to be raped just because she doesn't wear a chastity belt and carry a 12 gauge when she meets her friends for a margarita.

Well, same thing with a couple of guys kissing at a bar. They are not asking for it in any way. They are not living their lives in fear, always being careful nobody sees them kissing. These men are not asking for it any more than the woman in the shirt skirt is asking to be raped.

 

[porkchopexpress]

and to make sure we are not going to be avoided on some hair splitting BS point that you may belabour

while "it" may not be asked for, ones actions may be rewarded just the same.

"Asking for it" implies fault. No one is at fault for being gay, no matter where they are. A black guy goes into a KKK rally and gets beaten. He does not ask for it. Would he have been wise to avoid the situation? Yes. But he still didn't ask for it.

 

[BlazerWookee]

53 and 27?

Ew...

 

[Further]

53 and 27?

Ew...

hahaha, that's a funny response.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

So what?

Who were they hurting? Who were they assaulting?

what does that have to do with anything? lol

I guess we are back to my point, outragous behavior is excused because they are gay, in your mind..and more to the point, if this had been a straight couple in a well light pool bar, yeah, they would have been talked to as well, if not 86ed as I have been in my youth

 

[DaLincolnJones]

"Asking for it" implies fault. No one is at fault for being gay, no matter where they are. A black guy goes into a KKK rally and gets beaten. He does not ask for it. Would he have been wise to avoid the situation? Yes. But he still didn't ask for it.

yeah..I think that being a blatant pain in the ass can take on many forms. I dont feel that there should be a distinction between pain in the ass straight people and pain in the ass gay people

 

[porkchopexpress]

yeah..I think that being a blatant pain in the ass can take on many forms. I dont feel that there should be a distinction between pain in the ass straight people and pain in the ass gay people

But the "outrageous" behavior you point to is accepted as normal when straight couples do it. I see it ALL THE TIME and I really don't go out all that much. Yes, sometimes it gets uncomfortable and if it was my friend I'd tell them to get a room, but no one harasses them about it.

 

[Denny Crane]

Some men hear about a woman in a short skirt getting raped and say "she was asking for it". That's just dumb. Perhaps she could have been more cautious and lived her life in such a way to never make anyone attracted to her, but most of us agree that the woman is not asking to be raped just because she doesn't wear a chastity belt and carry a 12 gauge when she meets her friends for a margarita.

Well, same thing with a couple of guys kissing at a bar. They are not asking for it in any way. They are not living their lives in fear, always being careful nobody sees them kissing. These men are not asking for it any more than the woman in the shirt skirt is asking to be raped.

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"Asking for it" implies fault. No one is at fault for being gay, no matter where they are. A black guy goes into a KKK rally and gets beaten. He does not ask for it. Would he have been wise to avoid the situation? Yes. But he still didn't ask for it.

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[Denny Crane]

what does that have to do with anything? lol

I guess we are back to my point, outragous behavior is excused because they are gay, in your mind..and more to the point, if this had been a straight couple in a well light pool bar, yeah, they would have been talked to as well, if not 86ed as I have been in my youth

"Your mama's ugly"

that's an assault and asking for it

But there was no offense, no assault. Nobody was asking for anything other than to be left alone or treated like any other human being.

 

[Denny Crane]

But the "outrageous" behavior you point to is accepted as normal when straight couples do it. I see it ALL THE TIME and I really don't go out all that much. Yes, sometimes it gets uncomfortable and if it was my friend I'd tell them to get a room, but no one harasses them about it.

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If you don't want to see it, leave, look somewhere else, or ignore it.

 

[crandc]

I am also not crazy about seeing couples make out in public. But it's hardly a rare sight in bars. It was said this couple was "asking" to be attacked because they were a gay couple doing what straight couples do regularly. They were not asking for it.

BTW, even if someone does something stupid he/she is not "asking" to be attacked. And doing something stupid is not the same as a deliberate insult. But in this case the behavior was only "outrageous" because they were gay.

 

[Denny Crane]

You know, going around spewing verses from the bible is asking for it. Really pisses some people off.

Think about it.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

I am also not crazy about seeing couples make out in public. But it's hardly a rare sight in bars. It was said this couple was "asking" to be attacked because they were a gay couple doing what straight couples do regularly. They were not asking for it.

BTW, even if someone does something stupid he/she is not "asking" to be attacked. And doing something stupid is not the same as a deliberate insult. But in this case the behavior was only "outrageous" because they were gay.

As I have stated many times..I dont care, but it does not escape reason that to be putting ones self in a situation, ie red neck bar, full of loggers,cowboys mill workers...I doubt many of these guys have rainbow stickers on their truck bumpers, right or wrong, is probably not the best environmant to act in fashion that could be taken as an antagonism.

The same actions in some of the latino bars would garner the same results or worse, and lets not evenmention how some of the brothers would deal with what they would precieve as flaunting

not saying its right..just pointing out what is real

and come on guys...a bar is generaly not where you are going to find rational minds stupid and insulting is all the same..just saying..

 

[DaLincolnJones]

You know, going around spewing verses from the bible is asking for it. Really pisses some people off.

Think about it.

hey..you dont like it, I can go elsewhere. I enjoy looking at different sides of a situation..if you dont want to play, or rather that I not play devils advocate..again let me know...

 

[DaLincolnJones]

You know, going around spewing verses from the bible is asking for it. Really pisses some people off.

Think about it.

in fact the more I think about it, the less I like about this. there can be shitlods of religion/christian hate threads, but one fucking positive thread, and people have problem with that...prefect..typical double standard bull shit

 

[Denny Crane]

hey..you dont like it, I can go elsewhere. I enjoy looking at different sides of a situation..if you dont want to play, or rather that I not play devils advocate..again let me know...

I actually don't care what you do or don't do. I'm just pointing out "asking for it" where you live. For doing things you wouldn't give a second thought to as being "asking for it."

 

[BlazerWookee]

I actually don't care what you do or don't do. I'm just pointing out "asking for it" where you live. For doing things you wouldn't give a second thought to as being "asking for it."

All right, Denny. You're asking for it now...

(trying to keep a straight... er... umm... make that expressionless face)

 

[Further]

Also the "red neck bar, full of loggers,cowboys mill workers..."shouldn't be discounted as some mindless thug group. I've been in dives out in every corner of our state, played pool on tilted tables with the likes of all these rednecks, and have one hell of a time. And most all of them are thinking people like you and I. They just like overalls, bud light and bull riding more than your average city slicker does. Give them the credit to be able to handle a gay couple. And they obviously did, only making one comment that could be heard directed at straight or gay couples who were getting a little more intimate than the lighting called for.

 

[oldguy]

You know, going around spewing verses from the bible is asking for it. Really pisses some people off.

Think about it.

You know, going into a Mosque during prayers and quoting verses from the bible is asking for it.

Think about it.

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[oldguy]

You know, going around spewing verses from the bible is asking for it. Really pisses some people off.

Think about it.

Wait, what?

Didn't you say this earlier, in this thread?

No one asks for it, ever.

Must be rhetoric, eh?

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[Denny Crane]

The point of the analogy: put yourself in the other person's shoes.

I guess it was lost on you?

 

[oldguy]

There was nobody shouting racial slurs in your story.

Are you saying that would be asking for it, then?

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[Denny Crane]

Are you saying that would be asking for it, then?

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No more than the gay couple walking out of the movies holding hands, holding hands or kissing in public, etc. even in a red nick bar.

If it offends you, go somewhere else. If you decide to go beat the shit out of them, I hope you rot in jail.

 

[oldguy]

So what?

Who were they hurting? Who were they assaulting?

Who said they were hurting or assaulting anyone?

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