Obama: Cars Must Ave 54.5 MPG

[BlazerCaravan]

http://jalopnik.com/5938630/the-gov...l-economy-standard-is-really-more-like-40-mpg

Truth be told, your car won't have to get 54 mpg. To reach that magic Corporate Average Fuel Economy level (CAFE) 40 mpg. Why? Because fuel economy window stickers and the fleet average are calculated in two different ways. There's been lots written about this, in places like Edmunds and Scientific American. But here's the short version:

CAFE mpg is based on a set of tests — city cycle and highway cycle — that were put in place back when the government began requiring car company fleets to achieve an average level. But window sticker fuel economy is based on a series of five tests, including hot weather, cold weather, air conditioning use, and driving at higher speeds. I went to an EPA press conference at their lab in Ann Arbor a few years ago where they painstakingly explained this all to us. (It reminded me why I didn't get a master's degree in science.)

Window sticker fuel economy has always been lower than the overall CAFE standard. According to Edmunds, the 34.1 mpg CAFE target for 2016 is actually equal to only 26 mpg on a window sticker. And, it says the 2025 standard is probably more like 36 mpg.

 

[HailBlazers]

Secondly, 54mpg is absurd. I would bet good money that the number is not reached. Not even close.

I would bet great money that the president of the United States of America knows a bit more than the average person as to what the present and future states of our technology will be.

 

[PapaG]

Remind me again who was President during the entire life of that bubble?

Someone has a big mancrash on Paul Ryan doesn't he? Pull out the Air Supply albums and just soak it all in....

It started in 1998. Bush and Clinton are both to blame.

The rest of your post is the rambling of somebody who doesn't have anything else of substance to say.

 

[PapaG]

I would bet great money that the president of the United States of America knows a bit more than the average person as to what the present and future states of our technology will be.

Is that why Obama has literally given billions of dollars to solar companies that have gone bankrupt within a few years of receiving federal funds?

I'm not sure Obama even knows how to properly wipe his own ass at this point. He's the anti-Midas. Everything he touches turns to shit.

 

[Masbee]

http://jalopnik.com/5938630/the-gov...l-economy-standard-is-really-more-like-40-mpg

Interesting.

My comments were reflecting the headline number of 54mpg average.

Don't you love how regulating agencies don't speak English?

"No, we don't mean miles per gallon miles per gallon, we mean some odd tested number we came up with that has no bearing on real life?"

 

[PapaG]

http://jalopnik.com/5938630/the-gov...l-economy-standard-is-really-more-like-40-mpg

Great. Now we're up to 3 current vehicles, zero of which are combustion engines, that are even "average" in this new fantasy.

Democrats, we all love you're good intentions, but they don't play in the real world.

 

[Masbee]

I would bet great money that the president of the United States of America knows a bit more than the average person as to what the present and future states of our technology will be.

You REALLY don't know how Washington works do you?

Even assuming Obama does in fact know a bit more than the average Joe, it doesn't matter. That is mostly not how policy gets decided anymore.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

So, if the auto manufacturers are on board with the new standards, and they and the consumers are all "winners", then who are the losers? Clearly there must be some somewhere, otherwise the standards wouldn't be necessary. Why do we have to mandate more efficient vehicles if they would benefit everybody?

 

[The_Lillard_King]

So in our country, there may be a day where you have the right to own and possess a .45 semi-auto handgun, but you can't drive a vehicle that gets bad gas mileage?

I'm all for more fuel effecient cars, but this sounds out of control for me. And Masbee brings up a great point how this type of law, in application, will have the effect of discriminating on people with lower incomes.

 

[Eastoff]

Masbee, you are frankly being unAmerican to say "we can't reach 54mpg" The laws of physics clearly do not dictate it is unattainable. It's like when people said we couldn't get to the moon. American ingenuity is an amazing thing, and you should be ashamed for sticking your head in the ground and saying "can't."

 

[Eastoff]

So in our country, there may be a day where you have the right to own and possess a .45 semi-auto handgun, but you can't drive a vehicle that gets bad gas mileage?

I'm all for more fuel effecient cars, but this sounds out of control for me. And Masbee brings up a great point how this type of law, in application, will have the effect of discriminating on people with lower incomes.

Perhaps you're making assumption that auto manufacturers are pricing cars at the lowest possible limit, and not artificially high for their pockets.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Masbee, you are frankly being unAmerican to say "we can't reach 54mpg" The laws of physics clearly do not dictate it is unattainable. It's like when people said we couldn't get to the moon. American ingenuity is an amazing thing, and you should be ashamed for sticking your head in the ground and saying "can't."

Maybe not impossible, but how much will it cost to buy an SUV that seats 8 comfortably and has to power to go from 0-60 in less than a half an hour?

A little plutonium can go a long way.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Perhaps you're making assumption that auto manufacturers are pricing cars at the lowest possible limit, and not artificially high for their pockets.

I don't know what auto manufacturers are doing other than not running an effcient business and a couple needing the gov't to bail them out.

I do know that stricter standards, to the point of 54 MPG (or whatever) isn't going to make the business any easier for them.

 

[PapaG]

So, if the auto manufacturers are on board with the new standards, and they and the consumers are all "winners", then who are the losers? Clearly there must be some somewhere, otherwise the standards wouldn't be necessary. Why do we have to mandate more efficient vehicles if they would benefit everybody?

Where did the consumers get to negotiate these standards? Did I miss that part of the "negotiations"? Congress didn't even vote on it.

 

[PapaG]

Masbee, you are frankly being unAmerican to say "we can't reach 54mpg" The laws of physics clearly do not dictate it is unattainable. It's like when people said we couldn't get to the moon. American ingenuity is an amazing thing, and you should be ashamed for sticking your head in the ground and saying "can't."

American ingenuity is a great thing. The government dictating the private sectors definition of ingenuity is a new thing.

You should be ashamed of yourself, if you're really a believer in free innovation.

 

[PapaG]

Perhaps you're making assumption that auto manufacturers are pricing cars at the lowest possible limit, and not artificially high for their pockets.

You have literally no idea of how the economy works, and what market value mean to a fluid economy.

It's really cringe-worthy to read your posts. At least the union hacks like Zags and barfo understand the impact of workers' wages, profits, and how that circulates money into the economy.

 

[PapaG]

I don't know what auto manufacturers are doing other than not running an effcient business and a couple needing the gov't to bail them out.

I do know that stricter standards, to the point of 54 MPG (or whatever) isn't going to make the business any easier for them.

Ford is running an efficient business. They are the #1 US auto company, and are running at a profit. They didn't have their bondholders fucked over by Obama, as did GM.

Connect the dots...

 

[MickZagger]

Whats a Union hack?

Right-wingers have been brainwashed into believing the unions are responsible for job outsourcing when the truth is corporate greed is responsible.

Kinda sad.

Without Unions we would have no workers rights, like paid vacations, 8 hour workday, workplace safety, unlawful firing, lunch breaks, health insurance, etc...

We'd all be robots, jumping out of high rise buildings because of depression, like the 'hacks' over in China.

 

[Eastoff]

It's really cringe-worthy to read your posts.

So are you also not going to use purple font for irony?

 

[Haakzilla]

Connect the dots...

...if you want to start connecting dots, then you'll have to go back a lot further than the last decade. Do you actually know what Henry Ford was trying to accomplish with hemp and biofuels? Seriously, get a fucking clue...to think that today's technology is incapable of such feats is beyond ignorant and willfully naive

[video=youtube;54vD_cPCQM8]

 

[MARIS61]

1000 mpg is easily attainable, but big oil and the Republican party have conspired to prevent it.

http://home.earthlink.net/~skunkremedy/home/sk00008.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE_Supermileage_Competition

 

[Haakzilla]

1000 mpg is easily attainable, but big oil and the Republican party have conspired to prevent it.

http://home.earthlink.net/~skunkremedy/home/sk00008.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE_Supermileage_Competition

...I don't think the "party" matters in this sector. BIG Oil will always be able to control whoever needs to be controlled to maintain their monopoly, just like the majority of BIG business lobbies and the corrupt policy makers they buy/influence.

 

[MARIS61]

...I don't think the "party" matters in this sector. BIG Oil will always be able to control whoever needs to be controlled to maintain their monopoly, just like the majority of BIG business lobbies and the corrupt policy makers they buy/influence.

An honest man cannot be bought, but he can be murdered (JFK) or set up (Carter).

 

[jlprk]

It would be the biggest news of the decade if the leader of the Watergate Plumbers admitted that he had been involved in assassinating President Kennedy.

The mass media surely wouldn't hide it. Everyone would know. I wouldn't need to link to it 3 times in the last year, with everyone shocked and too paranoid to answer.

 

[MARIS61]

It would be the biggest news of the decade if the leader of the Watergate Plumbers admitted that he had been involved in assassinating President Kennedy.

The mass media surely wouldn't hide it. Everyone would know. I wouldn't need to link to it 3 times in the last year, with everyone shocked and too paranoid to answer.

You're absolutely ri - OH LOOK AT THE PRETTY PUPPY OVER THERE!

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

...I don't think the "party" matters in this sector. BIG Oil will always be able to control whoever needs to be controlled to maintain their monopoly, just like the majority of BIG business lobbies and the corrupt policy makers they buy/influence.

Maris, and others, view the world in its entirety by political parties. Anything that could be construed as good is from one party and everything bad from the other. It's called 'narrow mindedness'.

 

[Denny Crane]

The new standards would go into effect in 2025, 12+ years from now.

I'm all for improved gas mileage and apparently this plan has been vetted by the car industry. I do think that the usual governmental policy of mandating somewhat arbitrary standards is often suspect. Pretty cheap way of making political points by writing checks that someone else has to cash.

It's easy to vet with the car industry when you fire the CEO and board of one (or more) of them and put your own guys in place.

The others are threatened to comply or face a similar fate.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Over 30,000 patents for petroleum based products are filed a year in the USA in the areas of medicine, material sciences, bio-sciences and plastics.

But hey, that's not important. It's more important that we burn it up as quickly as we pump it out of the ground. Better allocation of a limited resource? Fuck that!

 

[Haakzilla]

...if you want to start connecting dots, then you'll have to go back a lot further than the last decade. Do you actually know what Henry Ford was trying to accomplish with hemp and biofuels? Seriously, get a fucking clue...to think that today's technology is incapable of such feats is beyond ignorant and willfully naive

[video=youtube;54vD_cPCQM8]

...it really is a travesty that such innovations have been suppressed over the years, all for evil-doing profit mongers and their absurd affinity for wealth and power at all costs

 

[tlongII]

JUST DRILL BABY!