Obama vs. Romney: ROUND III

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julius said:
What the US could do is do what we did with Germany and Japan after WWII, and funnel money into the area to help build it. However, don't do it for as long as they did in J and G, and don't stay there.
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I think this is a point overlooked by most Americans. They think (if they think about it) that having troops "overseas" incurs some extreme budgetary expense. We've maintained no fewer (even today) than 75k troops in Europe and no fewer than 50k in Japan/Korea for 70 years. Having a "drawdown to Zero" doesn't help a lot, unless we shift to the model of building up the country's military/police/governance so that we don't have to come back. If we would've left Germany in 1946 they'd be speaking Russian in Paris. If we would've left Japan in 1950 there'd be a communist Chinese-speaking government in Seoul and Tokyo right now.
:dunno:
 
The Giants are running away with the NCLS and Detroit is stinking up da joint in Chicago.
 
BrianFromWA said:
I think this is a point overlooked by most Americans. They think (if they think about it) that having troops "overseas" incurs some extreme budgetary expense. We've maintained no fewer (even today) than 75k troops in Europe and no fewer than 50k in Japan/Korea for 70 years. Having a "drawdown to Zero" doesn't help a lot, unless we shift to the model of building up the country's military/police/governance so that we don't have to come back. If we would've left Germany in 1946 they'd be speaking Russian in Paris. If we would've left Japan in 1950 there'd be a communist Chinese-speaking government in Seoul and Tokyo right now.
:dunno:
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My point wasn't that it's an expense, or whatever, but that we don't need to be staying there in the same manner we stayed in Japan and Germany.
 
I'm not a fan of any of the foreign policy ideas put forth by either candidate. However, the biggest thing that stands out from the debate is Obama's desire to spend any peace dividend we get from bringing the troops home from Afghanistan.

How about we use that money to reduce the deficit?
 
I decided to watch live. Seemed fairly even. A veritable yawner, in fact.
 
Schieffer was by far the best of the moderators.
 
Denny Crane said:
I'm not a fan of any of the foreign policy ideas put forth by either candidate. However, the biggest thing that stands out from the debate is Obama's desire to spend any peace dividend we get from bringing the troops home from Afghanistan.

How about we use that money to reduce the deficit?
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He did not say it during the debate (at least when I was watching) but he has said recently the savings should be used half for investing in America and half towards reducing the deficit.
 
GOD said:
He did not say it during the debate (at least when I was watching) but he has said recently the savings should be used half for investing in America and half towards reducing the deficit.
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He said during the debate that we're done nation building overseas, time to spend that money nation building at home.

We don't need to spend half on anything. Reduce the deficit.
 
Denny Crane said:
He said during the debate that we're done nation building overseas, time to spend that money nation building at home.

We don't need to spend half on anything. Reduce the deficit.
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I am not trying to argue, just saying what he said bout a week ago. To tell the truth, I'm trying to stop spending so much time following all this shit. I want Obama, but don't consider Romney the devil. I really don't like either candidate, but more importantly, I don't believe that either will do what is needed to truly help this nation because anyone with a chance at the presidency is de facto corrupted. I'm just going to vote, and turn my attention back to things that are more personal to my life.

I hope you really enjoy all this bickering because neither Zags nor papag (nor just about anyone around here) will listen to, and adjust their views, based on what is said.

Peace
 
I thought Obama won the debate again. More importantly, I thought this was the worst Romney looked in all three debates.

The debate didn't change my mind, but didn't give me a lot of confidence with Romney when it comes to foreign affairs. Right now economy is my number one issue and by a lot and I give the edge to Romney in that category.

I do think Obama is going to win this election as he did just enough in the last two debates to win the majority of the swing states.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
I thought Obama won the debate again. More importantly, I thought this was the worst Romney looked in all three debates.

The debate didn't change my mind, but didn't give me a lot of confidence with Romney when it comes to foreign affairs. Right now economy is my number one issue and by a lot and I give the edge to Romney in that category.

I do think Obama is going to win this election as he did just enough in the last two debates to win the majority of the swing states.
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This.
 
GOD said:
He did not say it during the debate (at least when I was watching) but he has said recently the savings should be used half for investing in America and half towards reducing the deficit.
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There are no savings. We're borrowing every damn penny. How about not replacing any of the spending?
 
This debate was stunning to me. The internals for each campaign must be much worse for Obama and much better for Romney than we have been told generally. If Obama were leading, he would have been the one who was calm and reasoned and Romney would have been the one attacking. Instead it was the other way around. Romney pulled punch after punch while Obama sought conflict.

Romney showed he knew the issues and tried to make people comfortable with him as CIC. President Obama did a good job defending his policies, but he focused on the small issues and overdid the snark, which diminished him a bit. Overall, I'll give Obama the battle and Gov. Romney the win of the three debates.
 
Obama did what he needed to do, and I suspect it'll be enough to win him another 4 years.
 
BrianFromWA said:
I think this is a point overlooked by most Americans. They think (if they think about it) that having troops "overseas" incurs some extreme budgetary expense. We've maintained no fewer (even today) than 75k troops in Europe and no fewer than 50k in Japan/Korea for 70 years. Having a "drawdown to Zero" doesn't help a lot, unless we shift to the model of building up the country's military/police/governance so that we don't have to come back. If we would've left Germany in 1946 they'd be speaking Russian in Paris. If we would've left Japan in 1950 there'd be a communist Chinese-speaking government in Seoul and Tokyo right now.
:dunno:
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You say that as if it's a bad thing. People the world over choose their government, either through action or through inaction. Maybe they'd be better off left to their own devices. Seems like our military is creating nanny states abroad.
 
MARIS61 said:
You say that as if it's a bad thing. People the world over choose their government, either through action or through inaction. Maybe they'd be better off left to their own devices. Seems like our military is creating nanny states abroad.
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Yes, it's a bad thing. If you think that Poles in 1946 "chose their own government", or that the Chinese in 1920 "chose their own government", or that the Afghans in 1996 "chose their own government", then I really don't know what to say.

As for "nanny states", I don't quite know what you mean. Which countries qualify for your definition? Kosovo/the Balkans? Germany and Japan? Iraq and Afghanistan? Vietnam?

"When bad men combine, the good must associate; else they will fall, one by one, an unpitied sacrifice in a contemptible struggle." -Burke
 
Q. What's the difference between Barack Obama and a bayonet?
A. One is a useless tool. The other is still used by the US Marines.

airsoft_M4_bayonet.jpg
 
PapaG said:
Q. What's the difference between Barack Obama and a bayonet?
A. One is a useless tool. The other is still used by the US Marines.

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Hurry, we need to borrow more money from the Japanese to build bayonets!

We need bigger and better ones, with stealth technology! The lack of bayonets in our military is our number one threat to national security!
 
bluefrog said:
Hurry, we need to borrow more money from the Japanese to build bayonets!

We need bigger and better ones, with stealth technology! The lack of bayonets in our military is our number one threat to national security!
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I just found it funny that the CIC didn't know that the Marines still use, and still train with, bayonets. Obama's snarky condescension only proved how little he knows about the military he supposedly leads.
 
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