Occupy Wall Street

[Ed O]

This is fucking creepy. Now drink your Kool-Aid. It's also cool how all of the white folk don't let John Lewis, a true civil rights leader, speak. Racists!!!

I think it is a bit creepy, too, although it IS functional. It amplifies the speaker's voice and gives a sense of inclusion. It also stifles dissent (the "mic" check towards the end drowns out people that don't have the floor).

It shows the tremendous inefficiency of a "general assembly", too. There was no vote. There was nothing scientific about it. The one who had the megaphone dominated (deciding who got to vote, and seemed to make the decision himself about whether Lewis spoke or not) and had to SCREAM at the end that the body made it its decisions by consensus.

A community MIGHT be governed that way at a local level, but it's clearly not scalable and seems to be much more prone to corruption than the system we currently have.

In other words: it's loony tunes.

Ed O.

 

[Ed O]

Why not protest at one concentrated place that gets the same message across?

Sounds good. When are they going to start communicating a message?

It might become clear over time, but it seems that it's so diffused (from corporate greed to anti-war to environmental concerns to collectivism to ... whatever) that it's just a cacophony.

Ed O.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I wonder how many of those protesting right now voted for those in the Presidency and Congress.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

I wonder how many of those protesting right now voted for those in the Presidency and Congress.

if they would have voted for mccain, we would all be rich now, agreed

 

[BrianFromWA]

I hadn't thought about that, but you're probably right.

 

[PapaG]

I think it is a bit creepy, too, although it IS functional. It amplifies the speaker's voice and gives a sense of inclusion. It also stifles dissent (the "mic" check towards the end drowns out people that don't have the floor).

It shows the tremendous inefficiency of a "general assembly", too. There was no vote. There was nothing scientific about it. The one who had the megaphone dominated (deciding who got to vote, and seemed to make the decision himself about whether Lewis spoke or not) and had to SCREAM at the end that the body made it its decisions by consensus.

A community MIGHT be governed that way at a local level, but it's clearly not scalable and seems to be much more prone to corruption than the system we currently have.

In other words: it's loony tunes.

Ed O.

I liked how the guy with the mic started screaming MIC CHECK at the end when a few people tried to apologize. Then the trained seals repeated MIC CHECK after the guy with the mic, who certainly seemed to be leading the group.

That's as close to Animal Farm as I've seen in some time and a teachable moment when it comes to collectivist ideology. Some animals will always be more equal than others, no matter what system of government or economics. I said it was creepy earlier, but I also find it hilarious on some level, because it literally took 10 minutes for Mic Guy to decide that Rep. Lewis would not be able to speak. This after not a 'vote', but some weird hand signals to see how people 'feel' about the situation. Just weird, weird stuff. I saw this video on FB, and even some liberal friends posted it and were mocking it.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

http://www.cbs8.com/story....ed=true

A man jumped to his death Monday from a multi-story parking structure at Civic Center Plaza Monday, where members of the Occupy San Diego protest campaign have been staging ongoing rallies since last week.

The fatal fall at the municipal courtyard next to City Hall occurred about 3:15 p.m., according to police. Medics pronounced the 42-year-old victim, who was not immediately identified, dead at the scene.

North Park resident Susan Smith, 64, an attendee at the demonstration against perceived political corruption and corporate greed, said she caught a peripheral glimpse of the victim dropping toward a walkway near Downtown Johnny Brown's restaurant, then disappearing behind some trees.

"The sound when (he) hit the ground was horrible," said. "It was just horrible. I'll never forget that sound."

"take that, wallstreet fat cats!"
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:MARIS61:

 

[PapaG]

These billionaires should put up a sign showing how much tax money NYC and New York state is going to lose when they move to another state in a few weeks.

http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local...tti_park_indefinitely_says_mayor_.html?r=news

The Occupy Wall Street protesters are planning to get in the face of some of New York's richest tycoons on Tuesday.

A "Millionaires March" will visit the homes - or, more realistically, the gleaming marble lobbies - of five of the city's wealthiest residents.

On the target list: NewsCorp CEO Rupert Murdoch, JP Morgan Chase CEO Jamie Dimon, conservative billionaire David Koch, financier Howard Milstein and hedge fund mogul John Paulson.

Between 400 and 800 marchers plan to go to their homes to present them with oversize checks to dramatize how much less they will pay when New York State's 2% tax on millionaires expires at the end of the year.

"Ninety nine percent of the residents of New York are going to suffer from this tax giveaway so the 1% who already live in absolute luxury can put more money in their pockets," said Doug Forand, one of the march organizers.

"This is fiscally, economically and morally wrong."

The march kicks off at 12:30 p.m. at 59th Street and Fifth Avenue and heads to the Upper East Side.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

they'll just raise prices for the goods and/or services and pass it along to them (probably moreso). It'd be funny if they turned on the sprinklers when they march by.

 

[PapaG]

they'll just raise prices for the goods and/or services and pass it along to them (probably moreso).

I'm just amazed that these anti-corporatists were able to make their own iPhones, Blackberries, PC's, and digital video recording devices.

Can anybody yet tell me what is being protested? I see a bunch of people sleeping in parks, but no clear message.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Can anybody yet tell me what is being protested?

stuff.

they are apparently mad as hell and not going to take it anymore.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

:MARIS61:

 

[PapaG]

As suspected, it's an Obama/SEIU charade. I wonder how much Stimulus money is funding this "movement".

[video=youtube;FsZECfIGGeA]

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Its kind of ironic they took the 99er "name", as in 99% when it could also be the 99 weeks of unemployment they get as a result of the 1%'ers.

 

[bluefrog]

http://www.benjerry.com/activism/occupy-movement/

Ben and Jerry's has issued a statement supporting the movement

 

[Ed O]

http://www.benjerry.com/activism/occupy-movement/

Ben and Jerry's has issued a statement supporting the movement

Keep corporations out of politics!!1!

Ed O.

 

[PapaG]

http://www.benjerry.com/activism/occupy-movement/

Ben and Jerry's has issued a statement supporting the movement

$55.5k required just to buy the rights to a franchise. Ben and Jerry sold out to a British/Dutch company in 2000 for hundreds of millions and have literally zero say about the company these days. They didn't even have the decency to sell to an American company, and now a European company is showing "support" with harming Wall Street.

America is full of idiots.

 

[barfo]

$55.5k required just to buy the rights to a franchise.

Why do you hate capitalism?

Ben and Jerry sold out to a British/Dutch company in 2000 for hundreds of millions

Why do you hate the rich?

They didn't even have the decency to sell to an American company

Why do you hate the free market?

, and now a European company is showing "support" with harming Wall Street.

Why do you hate free speech?

America is full of idiots.

Why do you hate America?

barfo

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Why do you hate capitalism?



Why do you hate the rich?



Why do you hate the free market?



Why do you hate free speech?



Why do you hate America?

barfo

ALRIGHT! It's barfoism time!!

Somebody, strike up the music...

 

[STOMP]

You remind me of the 'boy who lived in a bubble'. Seriously, you seem to live in some sort of fantasy world where there is no reality whatsoever.

You can't handle an answer to a question you asked so you lash out with a personal attack??? You often seem to be a dick... seriously.

by the title, I was looking forward to reading the thread... silly me

STOMP

 

[MARIS61]

It depends on where you live.

In America. Note the word "median".

Median family income with 2 earners is consistently over $70K in all states.

It's $75K in Nevada. You can buy a home in Vegas for $70K.

LOL, I thought you'd say Detroit.

The average price for a home in the US is currently about $160k, outpacing median income by roughly 300% since 1960.

Which is why homeowner equity has fallen steadily since World War II and is now less than 50% of the value of homes on average.

 

[MARIS61]

That is a ridiculous and meaningless metric.

You're babbling now.

 

[PapaG]

You're babbling now.

How are the "Occupy LaPine" rallies going? Are you still selling homes to those who can afford them? Or, have you quit in solidarity with those who claim they can't purchase a home?

 

[maxiep]

Why not protest at one concentrated place that gets the same message across? Coming from someone who so vehemently defends the Tea Party, I'm surprised you don't understand where these people are coming from.

Pray tell, what is that message? Whatever it is, it's not coming across.

 

[MARIS61]

How are the "Occupy LaPine" rallies going? Are you still selling homes to those who can afford them? Or, have you quit in solidarity with those who claim they can't purchase a home?

It's such a nice, quiet little town, it's pretty hard to find anyone to get upset with locally. We lack that big city screw your neighbor instinct.

I expect Occupy Bend is coming soon though.

 

[MARIS61]

stuff.

they are apparently mad as hell and not going to take it anymore.

[video=youtube;QMBZDwf9dok]

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Cops just beat the hell out of a bunch of hippies in Occupy Boston.

 

[barfo]

Cops just beat the hell out of a bunch of hippies in Occupy Boston.

That's a major strategic mistake on the part of the hippies. Getting the hell beat out of you hurts.

barfo

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

uhh..they're there to bait cops into hitting them. that's what hippies do.

 

[Denny Crane]

In America. Note the word "median".

Median means 1/2 the families make that much or more.

In 1969, the entire federal budget was $200B and that paid for Guns and Butter (Vietnam and LBJ's new social programs). Today, the government is 40x that big (4000%). And you want to talk about housing prices going up 300% over the same time PLUS 10 years?