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barfo
 
Well, I think we have his future replacement already on the bench:

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Minstrel said:
I'm not sure Koponen has proven much as a coach.
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But he just won the Nobel Prize for Coaching.

:drumroll:

About Nate... this is an interesting piece of the puzzle; remember, he took a one-year-at-a-time contract over the summer (either this year or last year). How much you wanna bet that if Miller and Roy don't gel that he bails under the auspices of trying to make it work (but getting fired for caring too much)?

...and then take a nice coushy job running a team of adults?
 
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BlazerCaravan said:
But he just won the Nobel Prize for Coaching.

:drumroll:

About Nate... this is an interesting piece of the puzzle; remember, he took a one-year-at-a-time contract over the summer (either this year or last year). How much you wanna bet that if Miller and Roy don't gel that he bails under the auspices of trying to make it work (but getting fired for caring too much)?

...and then take a nice coushy job running a team of adults?
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If Nate can't make a team work that he's helped build from nothing he's not going to find a cushier job anywhere else in the NBA.
 
I will feel bad if we lose Nate, but I will get over it. I wonder if he is just a good teacher only and not a champion type of coach.
 
Say what you will about Nate, but he knows who he is and he knows what he wants ... I take this as a pretty clear (and well placed) shot across Andre's bow. I like Miller's game and I think eventually all this bruhaha will sort itself out on the court, but I'm glad Nate is taking the approach he is -- firm and clear, but not calling anybody to the carpet by name.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Say what you will about Nate, but he knows who he is and he knows what he wants ... I take this as a pretty clear (and well placed) shot across Andre's bow. I like Miller's game and I think eventually all this bruhaha will sort itself out on the court, but I'm glad Nate is taking the approach he is -- firm and clear, but not calling anybody to the carpet by name.
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Agreed, but maybe he should just talk to Miller directly? Seems like that would be more effective than relaying parables via the press.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Agreed, but maybe he should just talk to Miller directly? Seems like that would be more effective than relaying parables via the press.

barfo
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Well perhaps he's had a direct conversation with Miller, addressing Miller by name in the media would not be "direct." That would be the ultimate in an indirect method and pretty disrespectful.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Well perhaps he's had a direct conversation with Miller, addressing Miller by name in the media would not be "direct." That would be the ultimate in an indirect method and pretty disrespectful.
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Agreed, I don't think he should do that. Just that I had the sense that they haven't talked in person, since Nate said that his door was open, and no one had come to talk.

barfo
 
It's fucking preseason and we're already having bitching about playing time, bitching about starting, and bitching about touches. Greaaaaaaaaaat.

Consolidation trade!
 
barfo said:
Agreed, I don't think he should do that. Just that I had the sense that they haven't talked in person, since Nate said that his door was open, and no one had come to talk.

barfo
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I think you're probably right.

Natebishop3 said:
It's fucking preseason and we're already having bitching about playing time, bitching about starting, and bitching about touches. Greaaaaaaaaaat.

Consolidation trade!
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A-fucking-men
 
Everyone except Pritchard saw this coming.
 
Translation:

1. I will start Blake and Joel
2. We will never push the ball
3. Ime will be the starting SF
4. I will play Travis way more than he deserves
 
Mediocre Man said:
Translation:

1. I will start Blake and Joel
2. We will never push the ball
3. Ime will be the starting SF
4. I will play Travis way more than he deserves
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His comments don't say much of anything about Oden. I have resigned myself to Blake starting and the team trailing at the end of every first quarter all season long just like last year. Oden should start, though. He has outplayed Joel in every single facet of the game. Having him come off the bench would be very foolish.

Portland will never be a real running team with Roy as the main guy. Not that big a deal as long as they win.

Ime will not play barring injury.

Playing Travis one second is more then he deserves.
 
LittleAlex said:
His comments don't say much of anything about Oden. I have resigned myself to Blake starting and the team trailing at the end of every first quarter all season long just like last year. Oden should start, though. He has outplayed Joel in every single facet of the game. Having him come off the bench would be very foolish.

Portland will never be a real running team with Roy as the main guy. Not that big a deal as long as they win.

Ime will not play barring injury.

Playing Travis one second is more then he deserves.
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If Oden should start because he has outplayed Joel, Miller should start as well because he has outplayed Blake. You have to earn it. That's what Mr Sonic says. Miller has earned it, just as Oden has earned it. It's up to the offensive genious, that is nate, to figure out how to best use our best players at the same time.
 
LittleAlex said:
His comments don't say much of anything about Oden. I have resigned myself to Blake starting and the team trailing at the end of every first quarter all season long just like last year.
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I have gone over the game log of last season on basketball-reference.com and we were trailing last year after the first quarter in about 45 games, with about 4 tied and the rest we were ahead. However, most of the times we were behind - we were behind only by a point of two. The place where we lost most of last year's game because we fell too deep in a hole - was the 2nd quarter when our 2nd unit stunk the place (don't believe me? Go do that exercise yourself).

If you consider that Roy had to conserve energy in the first quarter because he knew he will have to play like crazy in the 3rd and 4th to fix the 2nd quarter issues - it is not a surprise we were behind more than ahead after that - but a strong 2nd unit will actually allow him to go like gangbusters all the time.

It's a shame that there is so much vitriol spewed that does not really match the real data that is out there for everyone to see - if they actually paid attention...
 
Mediocre Man said:
If Oden should start because he has outplayed Joel, Miller should start as well because he has outplayed Blake. You have to earn it. That's what Mr Sonic says. Miller has earned it, just as Oden has earned it. It's up to the offensive genious, that is nate, to figure out how to best use our best players at the same time.
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We have seen exactly one game with Miller in the 1st unit - and they started the game like shit. It is not a real surprise that Miller plays better with the faster unit - Rudy, Travis and Webster - so at this point - what exactly did he earn? He is a better player - but so far, not as good with the starting unit... When he and the rest of the team get in the groove in the half-court offense next to Roy - that's when he will earn it...
 
Natebishop3 said:
It's fucking preseason and we're already having bitching about playing time, bitching about starting, and bitching about touches. Greaaaaaaaaaat.

Consolidation trade!
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Miller/Outlaw for ??? :cheers:
 
andalusian said:
I have gone over the game log of last season on basketball-reference.com and we were trailing last year after the first quarter in about 45 games, with about 4 tied and the rest we were ahead. However, most of the times we were behind - we were behind only by a point of two. The place where we lost most of last year's game because we fell too deep in a hole - was the 2nd quarter when our 2nd unit stunk the place (don't believe me? Go do that exercise yourself).

If you consider that Roy had to conserve energy in the first quarter because he knew he will have to play like crazy in the 3rd and 4th to fix the 2nd quarter issues - it is not a surprise we were behind more than ahead after that - but a strong 2nd unit will actually allow him to go like gangbusters all the time.

It's a shame that there is so much vitriol spewed that does not really match the real data that is out there for everyone to see - if they actually paid attention...
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Please stop clouding the issues/opinions with irrelevant things such as statistics and facts. Who do you think you are, some new sort of objective poster who looks at the data available to him before forming an opinion? :devilwink:
 
PapaG said:
Miller/Outlaw for ??? :cheers:
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Not a PG that handles the ball or a player with an offensive game that will take shots away from Roy and Aldridge. They also shouldn't want to push the ball and be 100% comfortable coming off the bench behind an inferior player.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Not a PG that handles the ball or a player with an offensive game that will take shots away from Roy and Aldridge. They also shouldn't want to push the ball and be 100% comfortable coming off the bench behind an inferior player.
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Ha! Perfect.
 
Miller will be just fine once these guys have more time together... and that includes Roy and Aldridge. But, the more I look at the data - and the more it seems like Miller shoring up the 2nd unit in the 2nd quarter - to allow us to be ahead or stay close by half time is the place where he will have the biggest impact. This allows Roy and Aldridge to play hard from the start in the first quarter, allow the team to expand the lead or at least not get in the hole in the 2nd - and then bring the best unit together for the 3rd/4th quarter where they will be able to cause as much damage as possible and secure the important win...
 
I think it's too bad we're getting caught up in pointing the finger at players (and even at Nate), most of these issues could have been averted if KP had done his due diligence and performed the necessary roster surgery this past year to consolidate 12 starter/rotation quality players, mostly on rookie scale contracts and turn that into some more established players who are very good at the complimentary roles without needing so many touches or minutes to fully develop their game or ensure their second contract. Ideally you want about 9 guys who are rotation quality, with a few guys behind them developing or able to fill in as emergency depth for a few minutes in case of foul trouble or injuries.

After all the talk about "team first" and being unselfish, we're starting to see the cracks emerge as guys like Rudy, Nic and Greg seem to be wanting to show more of their offensive range and are less interested in just fitting in with Brandon and LaMarcus. Granted KP did add some veterans like Howard, Ime and Miller, who know who they are , but without clearing anybody but Sergio and Channing from the fold he's possibly entered the Whitsitt part II era, by constantly collecting players and never taking the steps to crystallize the roster into a clear cut hierarchy of starting talent and role players.

This isn't to say that the season will be a disaster and that a little bit of grumbling is going to undermine any aspirations this team has for larger success, but I won't be terribly surprised if this roster ends up turning into a discontented mess at some point. It's like filling up a propane tank with too much gas -- too much pressure and the whole things explodes.
 
I think it is very clear that a consolidation trade is coming - it is just that like everything else - they have to try and figure out when to maximize it for value.

I think it is pretty clear that one of Travis or Webster will not be us by the end of the year - and there is a good chance that JB or Blake will not as well, heck, some might even wonder if Joel will be a Blazer at the end of the year...
 
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