Oden come back

[Sinobas]

I've noticed the oldest players in the NBA now, Kurt Thomas, Marcus Camby, and Grant Hill, all missed extended periods of time early in their careers with injury. Camby in particular, seems to average about 50 games per season. I wonder if there is a connection there. If the time off eased the wear on their bodies?

Perhaps Oden can draw some inspiration from Kurt Thomas, who missed almost all of his 2nd and 3rd seasons with injury.

The Mikes were talking about Oden possibly coming back in January. And I wonder if there is any possibility that he can come back and have a good career like Camby/Thomas.

 

[magnifier661]

In January?!?!?! Really?!?!?! I had to watch the Denver broadcast so I didn't get to hear anything. What did they say?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

if he ever comes back and plays well and helps the blazers win games, it will be gravy. not counting on it, so anything good that happens will be a pleasant surprise. if not, no biggie at this point

 

[tlongII]

We need him. He is what makes us a championship contender. Otherwise we're very good, just not the best.

 

[OdenHoF]

It would be to have him back so that Nene, Howard, B. Lopez, Bogut, etc. have to remain on Oden (size). Then LMA would eat normal PFs alive. Very convenient that LMA without Oden still draws the double team against Nene though: part necessity, part strategy, part reputation.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

I think he's going to have to be brought a long slowly.

Very slowly.

If he makes any kind of real impact on either end I'll be shocked.

But I'd be just happy enough that he's back on the court.

 

[OdenHoF]

Ah shit, while we dreaming I want Wilt Chamberlain on my team dunking over all five opposing team members 100x in a row, with elastic arms. Yeah, that's it.

 

[Shooter]

We need him. He is what makes us a championship contender.

Please. Enough already. Oden is done. The less I think about him, the better I feel about the Blazer's chances.

 

[tlongII]

Please. Enough already. Oden is done. The less I think about him, the better I feel about the Blazer's chances.

There is no definitive evidence to show that he's done. Absent that, I will continue to have hope.

 

[jlprk]

In January?!?!?! Really?!?!?! I had to watch the Denver broadcast so I didn't get to hear anything. What did they say?

They said he'll be back Jan. 1? We got it made!!

Woohoooooooo!! yeah!!

After all these years, my ship has finally come in.

 

[Nikolokolus]

There is no definitive evidence to show that he's done. Absent that, I will continue to have hope.

I don't think this word "evidence" means what you think it means? If this were a court case, I'm pretty sure the prosecution could get a conviction. That is to say there will never be proof, but holy balls there's a mountain of evidence.

 

[Sedatedfork]

I don't think this word "evidence" means what you think it means? If this were a court case, I'm pretty sure the prosecution could get a conviction. That is to say there will never be proof, but holy balls there's a mountain of evidence.

Inconceivable!

 

[tlongII]

There is a mountain of evidence to show that he's injury prone. However, there is none that definitively shows that his career is over. I'm sure you know that though.

 

[Further]

The Mikes were talking about Oden possibly coming back in January. And I wonder if there is any possibility that he can come back and have a good career like Camby/Thomas.

To be specific, they said mid January, however they sounded more like they were hoping than truly expecting.

I would love to see Oden return, but I have to admit that if he does come back, i will be super-freaking nervous every time he steps on the court. Just too much of an injury laden past.

 

[jlprk]

Okay that's long enough! Let's get the next daily Oden thread started.

Woooooooo!! I'm still jumping with joy.

By the way, you don't need definitive proof to convince a jury. The jury has already voted and gone home while you were at the punchbowl celebrating.

I'm running outside to alert friends and strangers. Could be January! Yeaahhh!!

 

[Nikolokolus]

There is a mountain of evidence to show that he's injury prone. However, there is none that definitively shows that his career is over. I'm sure you know that though.

The corpse isn't cold, but damn he's looking kind of blue and that pulse is awfully weak and thready.

 

[OdenHoF]

The corpse isn't cold, but damn he's looking kind of blue and that pulse is awfully weak and thready.

Yeah, because he's 23 he's already approaching his career being over. When he's 24, he'll get a microfracture, then again at 25, then at 26 he'll get another on the other leg, then 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33 etc. Good work Detective Nikolokolus.

 

[Draco]

Grant Hill's injury situation looked just as bad as Oden's. No Hill is not the same player he was, but he has been very productive. Instead of being a once in a generation center Oden could become an above average Center. There have been other cases of players missing multiple years with injuries and returning to a productive role.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Big Suke talked about the age thing; NFL trainers told him that his knee was in such bad shape he couldn't play again -- at age 22.

I think having all these injuries at his young age just makes it worse.

 

[jlprk]

Yeah, because he's 23 he's already approaching his career being over. When he's 24, he'll get a microfracture, then again at 25, then at 26 he'll get another on the other leg, then 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33 etc. Good work Detective Nikolokolus.

To miss his career, Oden only needs an operation about every 3 years, since it takes him that long to recover from pain. What detective evidence do you have that Oden's hypersensitivity to pain will stop?

 

[Shooter]

Grant Hill's injury situation looked just as bad as Oden's.

Uh, no. Nobody's "injury situation" has ever looked as bad as Oden's. He gets injured just walking down the street.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Yeah, because he's 23 he's already approaching his career being over. When he's 24, he'll get a microfracture, then again at 25, then at 26 he'll get another on the other leg, then 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33 etc. Good work Detective Nikolokolus.

Detective work? *SMH*

A bit of metaphor too confusing and "highfalutin" for ya?

 

[Weav]

To miss his career, Oden only needs an operation about every 3 years, since it takes him that long to recover from pain. What detective evidence do you have that Oden's hypersensitivity to pain will stop?

What evidence do you have that it's his 'hypersensitivy' to pain that keeps him from playing? I trust that it is the doctors decision, and not Greg's, that he isn't playing. If it were safe for him to play, he surely would.

 

[jlprk]

My evidence is that the doctor says the injury physically healed almost a year ago, as this type of injury always does. What's holding things up is Oden's rehabilitation therapy. It hasn't decreased the pain.

There is something unusual in his nerves or synapses or something, beyond current medical technology, that makes the pain linger practically forever when he overexerts the knee (e.g. playing hard), but not in normal daily activity (e.g. walking). All they can do is to hope the pain has a finite time limit and will eventually end with therapy and exercise.

It's his agent's job to maximize his career earnings, so he will stretch this out as many years as he can. Over the years, with whatever his team is then, Oden may play a little right before each time a contract ends, to spark contract offers.

 

[Blazinaway]

My evidence is that the doctor says the injury physically healed almost a year ago, as this type of injury always does. What's holding things up is Oden's rehabilitation therapy. It hasn't decreased the pain.

There is something unusual in his nerves or synapses or something, beyond current medical technology, that makes the pain linger practically forever when he overexerts the knee (e.g. playing hard), but not in normal daily activity (e.g. walking). All they can do is to hope the pain has a finite time limit and will eventually end with therapy and exercise.

It's his agent's job to maximize his career earnings, so he will stretch this out as many years as he can. Over the years, with whatever his team is then, Oden may play a little right before each time a contract ends, to spark contract offers.

Interesting but do you have evidence to back that up? First of all Greg had Microfracture a year ago November - so how could that injury have healed a year ago? It usually takes 9-12 months for MF to heal enough to play. I did not know about his lingering pain thing, are there any links on that?

 

[BrianFromWA]

nm.

 

[jlprk]

Interesting but do you have evidence to back that up? First of all Greg had Microfracture a year ago November - so how could that injury have healed a year ago? It usually takes 9-12 months for MF to heal enough to play. I did not know about his lingering pain thing, are there any links on that?

This board carried the news that the doctor said it was healed. I think the year to which you refer includes time for rehabilitation, and the physical healing finishes before that.

What I AM sure of is that it was on this board 2-3 months ago that the doctor said that the physical healing had completed months earlier. This brought some sense into it because everyone on the board who knows about this surgery had been saying that it should have healed months earlier. It turned out that it had, and it's now an issue about rehabilitation and therapy.

So I've been saying that there's nothing unusual about Oden's healing mechanisms--there's something unusual about his pain sensations.

Speculation: We all block out pain subconsciously so that the conscious mind can focus on goals. Maybe his mental pain blocking mechanism is less effective than that of most people.

Whatever, I don't think that science will solve this problem within the span of his career. So I don't expect him to play many games over the years. Only when his agent tells him, you gotta go through the pain for a couple of weeks because this summer is contract time.