Oden to return Sat? Should he come off the bench?

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Back the original post topic, since the other crap is boring me to death.

The largest benefit to the addition of Oden is the subtraction of Frye. If Oden only averages 5 points and 5 rebounds a game for the rest of the season it would be a huge improvement. I expect Oden will do better then that, though.

I sure hope Bayless and Outlaw are willing to pass him the ball from time to time. Maybe even let him re-post, though that is probably a pipe dream where Outlaw is concerned.

I really, really wanted this to be the year Frye solidified his status as a Blazer. Instead he bought his ticket out the door. I just don't think there is any way he can get it going here. I think he needs a change of atmosphere....like Turkey.
 
Mixum makes sound arguments sometimes - his only big issue is his delivery.
but even his delivery was fine in this case. The most negative things he said was calling a couple backups crap and half the board does that. Here's the OP again...
First of all, Quick says Oden prob comes back Saturday vs the Bucks. Wasn't his career game vs them?

With that said, im starting to feel (for this season) thats maybe Joel should continue to start. Hes having a career season and has been our 3rd best player all year. Oden should come off the bench IMO till next year IF he can beat Joel out. Also it will hopefully take some pressure off of oden physically and mentally.

THE BEST NEWS THOUGH????????????

NO MORE CHANNING FRYE AFTER SATURDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FIRST SERGIO AND THEN FRYE!!!!!

Now i can enjoy watching a blazers game without those 2 useless pieces of crap.
seriously, wheres the beef?

STOMP
 
thats not true... ive always given roy major credit.

I said teh first time he ever played vs seattle... he was a winner. thats what im talking about.... you could see in 1 game... he had it. something guys like sergio or bayless will never have in 10,000 games.

http://sportstwo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131782 :wink:

in response to people who think im taunting.

its ridiculous to think that.

I say what i think. Roy is not a superstar. Sorry its true. dont be mad at me cause i said it. i love the blazers but facts are facts.
 
http://sportstwo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131782


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Originally Posted by MIXUM

I say what i think. Roy is not a superstar. Sorry its true. dont be mad at me cause i said it. i love the blazers but facts are facts.

I agree with that statement. Roy isn't LeBron James, Kobe Bryant, Dwyane Wade, or Tim Duncan.

I also agree with this one as well that started the thread.

http://sportstwo.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1840566&postcount=1

MIXUM

Hes a very good player but not kobe or wade.
 
Some people won't trade Sergio for Andre Miller because it does not work salary wise straight up. So Portland would have to add other assets and that gets dicey as we don't have any disposable contracts. You must also take into account the money Miller makes. I do not think he is worth what he makes. I also do not like his weak shooting numbers. Roy needs a strong shooter playing PG next to him.

Yes, Sergio is not a good shooter either, but Blake is, and makes half of what Miller costs. Then you factor in age and I am not enamored with Miller. I am not enamored with Sergio either, but I would not give up any assets of value for Miller, and that includes Frye who could be useful in the playoffs if Oden is injured and Joel gets into foul trouble.

So it is not always that posters think Sergio is better than Miller, but rather that his age and contract are better and Miller will just get in the way of developing or trading for a PG of the future. I do not care if Miller could give us a slight upgrade over Blake for a year or two. The price tag would be to much.
Miller will be a FA this off-season and Portland is one of the few teams that can go over the MLE. I'm thinking 3 years 25M would probably be in the ballpark of what it would take. They'd have to renounce Blake, Frye, and Ruffin, but it wouldn't compromise their ability to sign any of their other vets. He's not the ideal guy to target because of his age (he's 32), but I'd dispute the idea that Roy can only play with a strong shooter beside him (if thats what you're inferring). The question is compared to Blake, would Miller's superior athleticism and playmaking ability make up for his inferior outside threat? I'd say yes. Portland has boatloads of outside shooters including Roy. Is there any question that a Miller/Rudy pairing is far superior to any other Portland can currently put out on the court when Roy is taking a blow? If the medical opinion is that there is good rubber left on the tires, Miller is a worthwhile option to consider.

STOMP
 
but even his delivery was fine in this case. The most negative things he said was calling a couple backups crap and half the board does that. Here's the OP again...

seriously, wheres the beef?

STOMP

I wasn't talking about this post. It is in his posts where he is discussing the faults of the Blazers and in his delivery he goes very chicken little, with a lot of opinions he tries to pass off as fact, acts a bit superior with his "just the truth" statements etc.

When he does things like that it doesn't seem like he wants to discuss things but rather tell people that his opinion is fact and that anyone believing anything different is just an excuse maker, etc.

He's really no different than some other people who point out the Blazers faults etc, it is just their delivery and posting style is more I guess engaging.
 
Ayd Yu'v mayde thiz thrde evun mor annoyeeng ayd diffikult tu get through wyth yur lekshuring.

Good jawb.

Veree difikult tu pull ov.

:rolleyes:


Komplaneing abowt Komplaneing

:rolleyes:
irony... too thick to laugh at

STOMP
 
Miller will be a FA this off-season and Portland is one of the few teams that can go over the MLE. I'm thinking 3 years 25M would probably be in the ballpark of what it would take. They'd have to renounce Blake, Frye, and Ruffin, but it wouldn't compromise their ability to sign any of their other vets. He's not the ideal guy to target because of his age (he's 32), but I'd dispute the idea that Roy can only play with a strong shooter beside him (if thats what you're inferring). The question is compared to Blake, would Miller's superior athleticism and playmaking ability make up for his inferior outside threat? I'd say yes. Portland has boatloads of outside shooters including Roy. Is there any question that a Miller/Rudy pairing is far superior to any other Portland can currently put out on the court when Roy is taking a blow? If the medical opinion is that there is good rubber left on the tires, Miller is a worthwhile option to consider.

STOMP

I do not think that it is good business that your highest paid player be your 5th or 6th most talented player. Especially if he is only going to be around for two or three years.
 
I do not think that it is good business that your highest paid player be your 5th or 6th most talented player. Especially if he is only going to be around for two or three years.
then Portland must be doing terrible business right now as their 3 highest paid players are Raef, Stevie Francis, and Darius. Somehow the guys are able to get it together and play through it... maybe the bright glow of their next contracts helps them bear this injustice?

STOMP
 
then Portland must be doing terrible business right now as their 3 highest paid players are Raef, Stevie Francis, and Darius. Somehow the guys are able to get it together and play through it... maybe the bright glow of their next contracts helps them bear this injustice?

STOMP

Those three players are not in the locker room to be resented. When Raef was around last year he heard the slights towards him. They wouldn't even let Miles or Francis around the team. There is a reason for this.
 
By the way, thanks for the thread Mixum. It was nice to come home from work and read it.
I think that it is probably a good idea for him to come off of the bench. Joel is destroying people right now. And knowing that he can just come in and try to help out, may help Greg get back into it, without the pressure. I think Greg could thrive in an environment where he plays against second string players and knows that it is ok to foul.
 
While I feel most of Mixum's posts are baitish in nature, I completely agree that the enablers are the people that complain about his posts. And of all of his posts to complain about this is the oddest.

I don't put anyone on ignore though, it's easy enough to just ignore a post. I did like the idea of ignoring someone that threatens to quote everything mixum posts just to defeat the ignoring feature. :)

I don't think there's much debate about Oden coming off the bench when he comes back. The only real debate is will he be worked back into the starting lineup for the playoffs or not?
 
I really want Oden to be awesome when we get to the playoff's. That would be so sweet.
 
The only real debate is will he be worked back into the starting lineup for the playoffs or not?

If he works off the rust and is reasonably conditioned by the playoffs, I hope so. White Przybilla gives Portland a lot of Oden's defensive and rebounding presence, he can't match Oden's offensive presence. Oden's double-teams drawn are a big factor in getting his teammates open shots.
 
White Przybilla gives Portland a lot of Oden's defensive and rebounding presence, he can't match Oden's offensive presence.

Grey Oden is a superior offensive threat to White Przybilla, no question.

Ed O.
 
Grey Oden is a superior offensive threat to White Przybilla, no question.

Well played. That was an extremely productive use of a typo. No sarcasm, it really was.
 
At the morning shootaround, McMillan decided to promote three-year veteran Shavlik Randolph to backup center, ahead of rookie Greg Oden. "We need some oomph, some fire, some scrappiness," McMillan said. "I want to see if (Randolph) can bring that."
 
Those three players are not in the locker room to be resented. When Raef was around last year he heard the slights towards him. They wouldn't even let Miles or Francis around the team. There is a reason for this.
Miles was reportedly around the team plenty last season... hell, he was wearing a suit behind the bench and leaning in on Timeouts in games I attended, so I know that claim is BS. Raef was also obviously around the club all last year and I never heard a peep of discontent about him in the press. What "slights" are you referring to and how were they so terrible that the he or the club couldn't perform to their capabilities in any way? Guys are aware that the league is a business and that rookie salaries are slotted... they know their chance at big money comes when they hit Free Agency and has little to do with what others are making.

I truly think you are grasping at straws here on a nothing point.

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Wheels has an update:

- Oden said he felt no pain after practice today.
- Expects Nate to play him only 5-8mins per half to give him enough time to acclimate.
- GO is excited of potentially playing in front of family/friends in Indy on Wednesday, and then playing in front of OSU friends in Cleveland on Thursday.
- Troy Murphy might not play.
 
I hope we see the Oden from right before his injury- it would give us some twin towers to pound our way into home court advantage.

Regarding the Mixum thing- I think people who attack him every time he posts need to get a life.
 
At the morning shootaround, McMillan decided to promote three-year veteran Shavlik Randolph to backup center, ahead of rookie Greg Oden. "We need some oomph, some fire, some scrappiness," McMillan said. "I want to see if (Randolph) can bring that."


Momma - sell my clothes.....I done died and gone to heaven! Nate has seen the light!!! :clap:
 
At the morning shootaround, McMillan decided to promote three-year veteran Shavlik Randolph to backup center, ahead of rookie Greg Oden. "We need some oomph, some fire, some scrappiness," McMillan said. "I want to see if (Randolph) can bring that."

Ha. Funny. Good one, Maris.
 
Eye wazn't laffing.
You complaining about someone else detracting from the focus of a thread is ironic because you're complaining about complaining... you're guilty of doing exactly what you are complaining about. Plus, any time you participate in our threads it's like who let the clown out of his room. You're obviously screaming for attention (that isn't related to the thread topic) and can't really be expecting anyone to take you seriously... right? Are you going to play stupid that your act isn't one big sideshow joke?

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That's some funny stuff from Oden there.

"I expected the NBA to be a lot more physical. But as you can tell with my fouling situation, I'm a lot more physical than everyone else."
 
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You complaining about someone else detracting from the focus of a thread is ironic because you're complaining about complaining... you're guilty of doing exactly what you are complaining about. Plus, any time you participate in our threads it's like who let the clown out of his room. You're obviously screaming for attention (that isn't related to the thread topic) and can't really be expecting anyone to take you seriously... right? Are you going to play stupid that your act isn't one big sideshow joke?

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It's a message board.

If you're taking it serious you need to step away from the keyboard and get a life.
 
You complaining about someone else detracting from the focus of a thread is ironic because you're complaining about complaining... you're guilty of doing exactly what you are complaining about. Plus, any time you participate in our threads it's like who let the clown out of his room. You're obviously screaming for attention (that isn't related to the thread topic) and can't really be expecting anyone to take you seriously... right? Are you going to play stupid that your act isn't one big sideshow joke?

STOMP

Try the ignore function. I highly recommend it. It takes away attention from those who scream for it with every post.

Besides, looking at his posts makes both my eyes and my head hurt. It's simply not worth the effort to try to parse his gibberish.

BNM
 
Miles was reportedly around the team plenty last season... hell, he was wearing a suit behind the bench and leaning in on Timeouts in games I attended, so I know that claim is BS. Raef was also obviously around the club all last year and I never heard a peep of discontent about him in the press. What "slights" are you referring to and how were they so terrible that the he or the club couldn't perform to their capabilities in any way? Guys are aware that the league is a business and that rookie salaries are slotted... they know their chance at big money comes when they hit Free Agency and has little to do with what others are making.

I truly think you are grasping at straws here on a nothing point.

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Actually, the straw I am grasping at is where in a JQ interview he complained because they would not let him practice with the team, lift/physical therapy with the team or go out on road trips with me. But go ahead and type down to me like you think you are addressing Mixum. It was painfully obvious that the front office did not want Miles around the team at all and only let him around when he complained and I am sure that KP got a call from the players union.

Raef was around the team all of last season, sure. And what kind of freak show was he? I remember an interview whare Aldridge was goofing on Raef being the oldest and not playing. I am quite sure that Aldridge knows Raef makes at least double he does and does not appreciate it. Also, why did Raef forgo surgery in the off season and piss off KP by having it during training camp? Oh yes, he said he was hoping it would heal on its own, but then KP said they knew last year he would have to have surgery. I would venture to say that Raef knows his act is a side show and did not want to go through it again so he dogged it to spare himself further embarrassement.

As for Francis, would you really like to debate his not being in Portland? Portland, desperate for a PG even today punted his sorry ass to the curb before the ink was even dry on the trade papers.

While the NBA is a business, it is human nature to resent the person that is making more money than you are while contributing absolutely nothing. I am certain the vast majority of people in any career would not like that.

And as I said, it was painfully obvious the team did not want Miles around. When he did finally start attending games and poking his nose in on time outs I just laughed at the spectacle. Everyone knew he was not wanted but he had to play the role of being interested so he could look like a real NBA player and sit behind the bench and wink at his strippers in section 103.

I stand by my assertion that no team wants their highest paid player to be the fifth or sixth best player on the team. But then I will add that Raef was taken on to get Roy, so that is a rare exception. Unfortunately Portland had Miles' dead weight on the cap and then took on two years of Francis to dump four years of Randolph. I am sure KP wished that Miles, Francis and Randolph were never around to be a cap factor.

Now go ahead and argue how it does make sense to have $36.5 mil of dead capspace. Forget about our differing opinions of weather Raef and Miles were side show freaks. I remember Jon Koncak, the guy Seattle signed away from NJ, maybe Mcintyre or something that were signed to huge deals and then the joke of the league for many years. Last I checked, Joel P. is the fourth highest paid player on this team, is not on a rookie contract and has contributed double what Miles, Raef and Francis ever contributed. I am sure he would love to see that money go to those that are contributing to winning games. Don't bother trying to convice me other wise, I know human nature.
 

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