Off season philosophy

[Fez Hammersticks]

Gortat does NOT move the needle.

That just show how desperate this team is for a starting center.

 

[The Dude]

Then it begs the question.....Who is the best player available?

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Gortat does NOT move the needle.

That just show how desperate this team is for a starting center.

If numbers like:
15.4 pts/game, 10 rbs/game, 1.5 blks/game

Don't move the needle then what does?

There is only 1 Dwight Howard. Centers as whole are pretty underwhelming.

 

[magnifier661]

Then it begs the question.....Who is the best player available?

Well it depends on who's available... But from those which are free-agents; I would assume JJ Redick, Smith and Howard being the best coming out of this free agent pool.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Well it depends on who's available... But from those which are free-agents; I would assume JJ Redick, Smith and Howard being the best coming out of this free agent pool.

Redick is a nice 6th man type but I would hardly put him high on a best available list.

 

[magnifier661]

Redick is a nice 6th man type but I would hardly put him high on a best available list.

I think Redick is a volume scorer and very efficient shooter. He definitely can create his own shot and I believe he is much better than any guards out there right now.

 

[KingSpeed]

Redick is awful. Jack is way better.

 

[magnifier661]

Redick is awful. Jack is way better.

As he dribbles off his foot in the fourth once again in crunch.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Gortat is hardly overpaying. I think he makes only 8 mil next season. That's cheap for a starting center.

I agree. I wasnt just talking about salary. In his case, I was,saying I dont think id give pick 10 for gortat on a one year deal. Id rather keep the pick and grab dalembert or Jefferson while keeping the pick as alternatives

 

[magnifier661]

I agree. I wasnt just talking about salary. In his case, I was,saying I dont think id give pick 10 for gortat on a one year deal. Id rather keep the pick and grab dalembert or Jefferson while keeping the pick as alternatives

ahhhh okay I feel ya

 

[KingSpeed]

As he dribbles off his foot in the fourth once again in crunch.

His team won the series 4-2. And he played a huge role in that.

 

[magnifier661]

His team won the series 4-2. And he played a huge role in that.

He's about as awful as Harrison Barnes!

 

[magnifier661]

Jack is worse than Kevin Martin! He sucks!!!!!

 

[HomerLovesKoolAid]

Jarrett Jack always steps on the sideline waiting for the corner 3, and his head looks like he has alien ancestry. I hate that fucker.

 

[magnifier661]

Jarrett Jack always steps on the sideline waiting for the corner 3, and his head looks like he has alien ancestry. I hate that fucker.

Jack tries to look like Clint Eastwood with that shitty eye squint. How can he even see the bucket?!

 

[OregonHuskerMan]

His averages were as follows:
3.67 points per game, 5.67 rebounds per game, 1.67 blocks per game, 24 minutes per game.

So you are averaging up on numbers and down on minutes. I do think those are low even for the given minutes.

But moreso then averages is the money that he makes which makes me look at other alternatives first. If our future Center (whoever you want to name him to be) only had those numbers people would be calling for his head.

Did a rough estimate in my head. Sorry I didnt whip out a calculator. And rounded up its 6 and 2 in 24 mins which equates to 9 and 3 in 36 mins. Which is much better than we are currently getting.

 

[OregonHuskerMan]

Chandler averages 10 and 1 in 32 mins. And chandler is seen as an elite defensive player and im sure people would accept him.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Did a rough estimate in my head. Sorry I didnt whip out a calculator. And rounded up its 6 and 2 in 24 mins which equates to 9 and 3 in 36 mins. Which is much better than we are currently getting.

We have got even better rebounding numbers then that actually. Problem is the guy was playing out of position and giving up almost as much on the other side. And if you give DeAndre 36 minutes he is not going to get to 3 blocks a game. But you had to have known that.

I don't mind spending on a Center that is worth it. At DeAndre's price and production however he is not in my top 3. Top 5 sure.

 

[OregonHuskerMan]

Also it says he averaged 6.3 rpg in the postseason so looks like I rounded down on that one and 1.7 blocks.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Chandler averages 10 and 1 in 32 mins. And chandler is seen as an elite defensive player and im sure people would accept him.

Tyson Chandler is the #1 guy I'd want. Never gonna happen though . He would be perfect

 

[OregonHuskerMan]

We have got even better rebounding numbers then that actually. Problem is the guy was playing out of position and giving up almost as much on the other side. And if you give DeAndre 36 minutes he is not going to get to 3 blocks a game. But you had to have known that.

I don't mind spending on a Center that is worth it. At DeAndre's price and production however he is not in my top 3. Top 5 sure.

Im not sure what DJ would do in 36 mins. Considering was averaging 2 blocks against 2 of the elite post players in the league I could see 3 being reasonable.

I am aware Hickson averaged 10 or 11 rebounds but he averaged less than a block a game, and was a complete sieve on defense. Also, JJ got scored on A LOT and gave up plenty of rebounds to larger people. Deandre won't and doesnt struggle like that. Watch Hickson vs Gasol and then Deandre vs Gasol.

 

[magnifier661]

I want Kevin Martin. Then I would use Matthews and go after Gortat.

 

[RR7]

I want Kevin Martin. Then I would use Matthews and go after Gortat.

For what, exactly? He can score, but he'll be next year's version of JJ Hickson. He's going to give back everything he gets for you. At least Matthews is an above average defender as well as a good shooter.

 

[OregonHuskerMan]

Not to mention that little guards cant just drive straight into the paint, unlike if we had a 7 foot shot blocker staying posted up back there.

 

[magnifier661]

For what, exactly? He can score, but he'll be next year's version of JJ Hickson. He's going to give back everything he gets for you. At least Matthews is an above average defender as well as a good shooter.

We can still have Matthews

 

[magnifier661]

Not to mention that little guards cant just drive straight into the paint, unlike if we had a 7 foot shot blocker staying posted up back there.

Kevin Martin had that knock against him for years, yet he is so good at getting to the line and shoots well from the perimeter. He isn't a good defender, but at least he is an awesome scorer. Then use what's left for a legit defensive minded center and we should be good. We didn't have problems protecting the perimeter. We had problems protecting the paint.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Then it begs the question.....Who is the best player available?

No, it does not "beg" the question (pet peeve). It RAISES the question. It prompts you to ASK the question. Just not begs it.

And that's not a simple question to answer, because "best" and "available" are so fluid. Among the best FAs is Kevin Garnett - still an elite defender, ferocious competitor and beloved teammate. But he's old as dirt, so in the long run he's not best.

Also, who's available depends on how persuasive our GM is and how stupid their GM is.

 

[e_blazer]

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[PtldPlatypus]

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Actually, I feel educated now. Thanks Rasta.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Actually, I feel educated now. Thanks Rasta.

I can't help it, it's just a disease. I can imagine what people with perfect pitch must feel like at a karaoke night.

Also I actually teach classes that talk about the real fallacy. That little graphic doesn't get it quite right: begging the question is when you assume as a premise exactly what you're trying to prove. Circular reasoning is a variant, like if I said I know that God exists because it says so in the Bible, which has to be true, because it's the word of God.