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MickZagger said:
Weird, I don't really see him as that slow. He's done a lot of work on his outside shot as well, he's got it up to 50%. Not much of a catch and shoot guy, though.
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Talking more about lateral quickness... I dunno. Hes an overwhelming athlete in college and skilled enough to be a very good college player. But its his lateral quickness that concerns me, and perhaps he could make it as a 6'7+ SF but he looks about 6'4. Just not skilled enough as an NBA SG and I dunno that he'll translate as a defensive specialist.
 
MickZagger said:
I missed it. A battle of two of the top 2 guards in the draft. Smart's biggest weakness is easily his 3pt shot. His 2 assists doesn't really bother me.

Who looked better, him or McLemore?
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I started watching at the half, but I don't think either one necessarily looked better. Not to cop out, but they really both looked great. McLemore got most of his points in the second half off of his athleticism, but he also hit a big three in the clutch to give KU a chance to almost pull off a comeback. Smart was everywhere on the floor, played more aggressive. VanillaGorilla pointed out his bad shooting numbers, but I think most of that was in the first half, because his shot looked damn good in the second.

Great day for college hoops though. The Oklahoma State/Kansas was on ESPN3... I've started using that a lot more. I never used it last season, because I figured it would probably be shit, but there's almost no lag, and the picture's actually really clear. I was able to have that going and watch the Wichita St/Northern Iowa game in the background at the same time.

I'm actually surprised this Michigan/Indiana game is so close right now. Indiana has had so many chances to just bury them but they keep hanging around somehow.
 
MickZagger said:
I missed it. A battle of two of the top 2 guards in the draft. Smart's biggest weakness is easily his 3pt shot. His 2 assists doesn't really bother me.

Who looked better, him or McLemore?
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I liked Smart better, for the reason NOVoodoo said. He's a guy who is all over the court and can make an impact in every way. McLemore really just isn't the type of player I like.
 
I like strong guards. Smart is built like a linebacker and has a complete game.
 
I actually sat down and watched a Kentucky game this weekend. Noel is a guy that is a must have for Portland
 
I'm interested to track the development of Mitch McGary. I remember I first saw him play in a high school game against Tilton (aka Nerlens Noel's HS) that was on ESPN. He was their #2 ranked recruit at the time, but Noel absolutely dominated McGary, and subsequently (not sure if it was related), McGary plummeted in the rankings.

I remember when McGary chose Michigan over Kentucky, Duke, and North Carolina, he said he did so because he wanted to create a legacy for himself and not just be apart of the school's legacy. It must have been humbling for someone with that mentality to reach the midpoint of his freshman season being widely considered only the third best freshman on Michigan.

Whatever happened between then and now though, he's starting to show some serious promise. I hope he doesn't let his ego go to his head and declare this year, because a another year or two of college ball could really help his game, but he's definitely starting to show all of the potential that everyone saw from him early on in HS.

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(BTW - I know that he got blocked by Amir Williams in overtime, and Dick Vitale went on to say something about how he should have finished better, but that was a great play all around, McGary went hard, and Williams just had an incredible block. I don't think there is a player in the collegiate game who could have adjusted to Williams coming in from the weakside.)
 
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Anyone watching Kansas @ TCU?

McLemore's having an overall bad game, but specifically on the defensive end. He's been clowned on consecutive plays.
 
DX is not a fan of McLemore going in the top-5.

Their comparison for him is Jason Richardson.

A SG who can't create his own shot, in other words.
 
McLemore can create his own shot. I'm just not sold on his driving ability at the next level. He's a wet shooter though.
 
How Ben McLemore gets his offense up until now 22% spot-up 21% transition 15% off-screens 11% pnr 8% off rebs 7% cuts 5% isolation

Why isn't Ben McLemore using more pick and roll or isolation possessions? He's generated just 48 points on those 62 possessions or .774 PPP
 
DX has him going #2. Which I don't agree with.

Wonder why they don't have a stat for off the dribble. IMO, that is creating your own shot.

nbadraft.net has one of his strengths as creating his own shot.
 
I would imagine off the dribble would fall under either isolation or PnR, no?
 
MickZagger said:
McLemore can create his own shot. I'm just not sold on his driving ability at the next level. He's a wet shooter though.
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Doesn't necessarily mean he can't create his own shot. He's more of a jump shooter than a penetrator.
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Sounds like Jason Richardson (in his prime) to me.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
DX is not a fan of McLemore going in the top-5.

Their comparison for him is Jason Richardson.

A SG who can't create his own shot, in other words.
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Jason Richardson was a solid pick looking back at that draft as a #5 pick.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/draft/NBA_2001.html

I don't understand what some of you are looking at in terms of prospects? We have some here who seem to feel that a #12 pick should be a major contributor to a team the following year. The NBA rarely works that way.

Honestly, my respect for Zags is high enough now over many other posters here that I can put aside his obvious bias against LMA/pro Love and just recognize that he knows hoops, too.

Jason Richardson has been a very, very good NBA player, considering he was the #5 pick. The draft is a crapshoot.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
How Ben McLemore gets his offense up until now 22% spot-up 21% transition 15% off-screens 11% pnr 8% off rebs 7% cuts 5% isolation

Why isn't Ben McLemore using more pick and roll or isolation possessions? He's generated just 48 points on those 62 possessions or .774 PPP
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Fez bringing the heat

I like it
 
Btw, has anyone watched Aaron Craft this year?

An absolute defensive pest at PG .....at he's white!

The way he takes away angles is very Eric Snow-esque. He's the type of guard you want off the bench.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
Btw, has anyone watched Aaron Craft this year?

An absolute defensive pest at PG .....at he's white!

The way he takes away angles is very Eric Snow-esque. He's the type of guard you want off the bench.
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I agree with wanting defensive guys off the bench.
 
i still like shabazz better than mclemore

bazz just looks like he is coasting out there right now though, he will need to flip the switch in the nba
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
Btw, has anyone watched Aaron Craft this year?

An absolute defensive pest at PG .....at he's white!

The way he takes away angles is very Eric Snow-esque. He's the type of guard you want off the bench.
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Yeah, did you just find out about him?

Great athlete, lock down defender. Not a good playmaker though and horrible offensively.

He should of went with football where he was an elite high school QB.
 
drexlersdad said:
i still like shabazz better than mclemore

bazz just looks like he is coasting out there right now though, he will need to flip the switch in the nba
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I like Mohammed better than McLemore as well. I wanna see how McLemore does in the tournament, on the big stage before I think he's a top 5 type guy.
 
Zags gets no cred from me! He just goes and picks the biggest most popular white guy and clings on!
 
Shabazz looks like he'll have a potential ego problem

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