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Terry had a 9 man rotation in the meat of last season.

The bench seems pretty clear to me, at least initially.

CJ
Curry
Turner
Collins

Those are the locks. The fifth guy will Probably be matchup dependent. Meyers, Biggie, Layman, Stauskas, Baldwin the options. Maybe one of the rooks.

What I’m curious about is whether or not Terry tries out the second unit without CJ. If that happens I’d assume Stauskas would get first crack.
There's not enough minutes to play a bench unit without Dame and CJ, try out Stauskas and Baldwin, as well as give Curry enough minutes. Curry can't play more than 12-14 minutes at guard if Dame and CJ sit at the same time. He's going to get more than that, as he should. They'll try out Baldwin (and maybe Stauskas), but I'm all but certain they'll stagger Dame and CJ.
 
There's not enough minutes to play a bench unit without Dame and CJ, try out Stauskas and Baldwin, as well as give Curry enough minutes. Curry can't play more than 12-14 minutes at guard if Dame and CJ sit at the same time. He's going to get more than that, as he should. They'll try out Baldwin (and maybe Stauskas), but I'm all but certain they'll stagger Dame and CJ.

Ok coach.
 
Not really.

We had a couple blowouts to start the season so that doesn't apply if we're talking about our rotation in tight games. And a 10th player playing less than 8min doesn't make it a "10 man rotation IMO", because most of the time those minutes are situational and n ot part of a regular rotation (ex. Playing Meyers against Cousins). If you look at the rotation in October to start last season, multiple games saw us only playing 9 players. Some saw a 10th guy getting very limited minutes. It wasn't a 10-man rotation.

http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400974785

http://www.espn.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=400974819

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201710280POR.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201710300POR.html

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/201711010UTA.html

Portland had ten players average at least 16 minutes a game last year. And that’s for the whole season.
 
Portland had ten players average at least 16 minutes a game last year. And that’s for the whole season.
You realize that if two players play in 41 games each and average 16mpg, they might only be playing in games the others aren't? You can have 10 players average 16mpg while only playing a 9-man rotation. Not everyone played 82 games.

You even admitted that we had a 9-man rotation midseason. But I showed box scores that show us as having a 9-man rotation at the begginning of the season, too. Did you look at them?
 
You realize that if two players play in 41 games each and average 16mpg, they might only be playing in games the others aren't? You can have 10 players average 16mpg while only playing a 9-man rotation. Not everyone played 82 games.

You even admitted that we had a 9-man rotation midseason. But I showed box scores that show us as having a 9-man rotation at the begginning of the season, too. Did you look at them?

Yeah that’s called an nba season. Players get hurt. Players get benched. Coaches expirement. It happened last season and it’ll happen this season. Never claimed we’ll have a ten man rotation the whole season so I don’t get your point.

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I count ten players Terry relied on to carry Portland through the season. Don’t see why that would change this year, especially when he has more options.
 
Yeah that’s called an nba season. Players get hurt. Players get benched. Coaches expirement. It happened last season and it’ll happen this season. Never claimed we’ll have a ten man rotation the whole season so I don’t get your point.

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I count ten players Terry relied on to carry Portland through the season. Don’t see why that would change this year, especially when he has more options.
Maybe we have different definitions of what a "10-man rotation" is?

My whole point was that, in my opinion, we didn't have a 10-man rotation to start the season like some people claim. I went through to box scores to see if these people were right or not. Obviously, it depends on definition, because there were times where we would situationally play a 10th man 3-7 minutes in a game because of non-regular circumstances (foul trouble, playing against Cousins, a blowout, etc.), but that doesn't count as being a part of a regular rotation to me. In many games to start the season, we only had 9 players play, and I was providing box scores from the start of the season as evidence. If we had a 10-man rotation, I'd expect 10 people to play every game to start the season regardless of circumstance, but again, that's just based on my definition of a "10-man rotation".

This makes me think that we'll have a regular 9-man rotation at most (A bench of Curry, Turner, Collins, and another big (Meyers?)). I could even see us going with a regular 8-man rotation then playing a 9th player situationally depending on the matchup. I've had a lot of people say I'm wrong and that we usually start the season with a 10-man rotation, so I was providing box scores as a counterpoint.

I'm not saying we won't rely on 10 people, because injuries happen and guys steal minutes. I just define a "rotation" on the minutes specific players are playing over a current stretch of multiple games, and 10 players weren't consistently playing at the same time during the same stretch of games.

We also didn't have a steady backup G like Curry, as Pat and Napier were bench-warmers the season before. We also had two rookie bigs who were battling for minutes, and now that one of them has won (Collins), I don't expect variation there throughout the season. I think our lineup is more set than last years and we'll see less experimentation and a maximum of 9 players playing regular minutes. That's my whole point.
 
I think Terry runs an 8-man rotation this year when healthy, similar to what Indiana did last year.

Dame 36 / McCollum 12
McCollum 24 / Curry 24
Harkless 23 / Turner 25
Aminu 32 / Collins 9 / Harkless 7
Nurkic 29 / Collins 19
Where is Butler in the rotation?
 
Something no one is talking about (and maybe rightfully so because of the odds) but what if Simons shows this whole NBA thing isn’t too big for him? He didn’t seem phased by summer league. Yeah it’s summer league but for Simons that was still a significant jump from where he was last year.

No one was expecting Collins to play last year. Everyone assumed Swanigan was further along in his development. I don’t think Trent is Swanigan, because I think Trent is going to be ready in his own right, and Simons is even more inexperienced than Collins was, but it’s still interesting.
 
Something no one is talking about (and maybe rightfully so because of the odds) but what if Simons shows this whole NBA thing isn’t too big for him? He didn’t seem phased by summer league. Yeah it’s summer league but for Simons that was still a significant jump from where he was last year.

No one was expecting Collins to play last year. Everyone assumed Swanigan was further along in his development. I don’t think Trent is Swanigan, because I think Trent is going to be ready in his own right, and Simons is even more inexperienced than Collins was, but it’s still interesting.
Nick and Curry are on 1-year contracts. We won't re-sign Nick, and Curry will want more $$$ than we can pay him. Aminu will also be a free agent.

So, a 2019 bench of Baldwin, Simons, Trent at the 1,2,3 positions is very possible.

But unlikely this year.
 
As James said today "they are long ways away from the warriors" as are most other teams. So most smart GM's will be engineering their teams to phase in when they appear to be phasing out, 1-2 year's from now?
 
Something no one is talking about (and maybe rightfully so because of the odds) but what if Simons shows this whole NBA thing isn’t too big for him? He didn’t seem phased by summer league. Yeah it’s summer league but for Simons that was still a significant jump from where he was last year.

No one was expecting Collins to play last year. Everyone assumed Swanigan was further along in his development. I don’t think Trent is Swanigan, because I think Trent is going to be ready in his own right, and Simons is even more inexperienced than Collins was, but it’s still interesting.

Even if Simons gets development time, it won't be contribution time. Like Collins and Vonleh.

I brought up Simons a day before you posted that.

http://www.sportstwo.com/posts/4538283/

Everyone assumed Swanigan was further along in his development

He was. That's why they gave Collins the minutes. (Swannie got lot of G-League minutes too.)
 
Even if Simons gets development time, it won't be contribution time. Like Collins and Vonleh.

I brought up Simons a day before you posted that.

http://www.sportstwo.com/posts/4538283/



He was. That's why they gave Collins the minutes. (Swannie got lot of G-League minutes too.)
Bro, people were saying start Swanigan. Nobodys even said we should play Simons.
 
Bro, people were saying start Swanigan. Nobodys even said we should play Simons.

Who said that Swanigan (6-8, age 20, rookie) should start ahead of Aminu, Davis, Vonleh, or Nurkic?
 
Deyonta Davis is not good at basketball. I'd rather give an undrafted rookie a shot.

You sure about that?

Per/36 through two nba seasons:

12.7 ppg
9.4 rpg (3 orpg)
1.7 bpg
60% TS
15.4 PER


G League, where he played more minutes

Two seasons, 27 mpg

11.4 ppg
8.2 rpg (3 opg)
2.5 bpg
56% TS
20.1 PER

21 years old, with an athletic profile that fits today’s game.
 

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