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Hezonja is no longer a sleeper. Dude is playing really well.
 
BonesJones said:
How does swapping CJ for Griffin take us to another level? Our role players are the problem, and in this scenario, we don't change any of them...
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Seems to me that 3/5 of our starting lineup is the current problem, fix that and the bench will be fine with Amino, Turner, Davis, Collins, Napier, and Pat on it.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Hezonja is no longer a sleeper. Dude is playing really well.
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The problem isn't whether or not he is a sleeper. It's that Orlando makes the dumbest decisions. By not picking up the 4th year on his rookie deal it means his bird rights don't transfer. We'd have no chance to keep him after this year.
 
At this point, I think they are probably just to move Harkless. But I would like to be pleasantly surprised!
 
hoopsjock said:
The problem isn't whether or not he is a sleeper. It's that Orlando makes the dumbest decisions. By not picking up the 4th year on his rookie deal it means his bird rights don't transfer. We'd have no chance to keep him after this year.
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Maybe we can throw our MLE at him this summer. Depends on if we can get below the tax this year so we have more to offer.
 
ripcityboy said:
At this point, I think they are probably just to move Harkless. But I would like to be pleasantly surprised!
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I agree, we would win this trade period if we could pawn off Hark and Myers as the 3rd team in seperate deals to make contracts work for other teams while taking back expirings.
 
LayneStaley said:
I agree, we would win this trade period if we could pawn off Hark and Myers as the 3rd team in seperate deals to make contracts work for other teams while taking back expirings.
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If we just get rid of one more contract and build up Meyer's trade..... OMG I ALMOST DID IT! I almost made a straight face when I said that! :biglaugh::biglaugh::biglaugh:
 
yuyuza1 said:
Maybe we can throw our MLE at him this summer. Depends on if we can get below the tax this year so we have more to offer.
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I would love that. He could become really solid player, like Tobias Harris, we saw him outside of that horrible franchise.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Maybe we can throw our MLE at him this summer. Depends on if we can get below the tax this year so we have more to offer.
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There is virtually no chance of getting the full-MLE unless Olshey gets rid of a bunch of contracts right now. Using the full-MLE would hard cap us meaning we'd probably have to let everyone walk including Nurk and could probably only sign one of Napier, Vonleh, Davis, and Connaughton.

It's more realistic to just assume we'd only have the taxpayer-MLE. If he played well here then he'd sign elsewhere for more. If he didn't play well then he probably isn't worth that.

It's just like the Tyreke Evans and Nerlens Noel situations. It just doesn't make a lot of sense for us to trade for those guys unless we don't give up anything of note for them.
 
What about this:
OKC gets Harkless
Atl gets Abrines and Vonleh
Por gets Belinelli, Singler, 2018 2nd round pick from OKC

Atlanta gets a couple of young guys for Marco’s expiring deal. OKC gets Harkless and rid of one of their contracts that they don’t want.

Blazers get a shooter and a bad contract but it is only half of what Harkless makes. They also just slide under the tax line. Singler is basically worthless though. Not flashy at all but makes sense in terms of the tax.
 
LayneStaley said:
Seems to me that 3/5 of our starting lineup is the current problem, fix that and the bench will be fine with Amino, Turner, Davis, Collins, Napier, and Pat on it.
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I'd say 2/5ths of the starting line-up is the problem (Turner/Aminu). Then subtract Turner from the bench, and yes, the bench is "fine". But ultimately, the bench still needs a legit 6th man.

In summary:
  • Erase Aminu/Turner from starting line-up
  • Erase Turner from the team
  • Add 6th man
 
LayneStaley said:
I agree, we would win this trade period if we could pawn off Hark and Myers as the 3rd team in seperate deals to make contracts work for other teams while taking back expirings.
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What would we win? If you mean like how we "won" the Crabbe trade with BKN, then yeah, I guess. That's a pretty depressing use of the word "win" though.
 
honkicracker said:
That has nothing to do with is Love + Nets pick enough for CJ.
It has everything to do with this.



They don't want to part with the pick, due to LBJ leaving.
Fringe allstar + a lotto pick is not enough for CJ. He has more value than that.
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Who is the fringe all-star?
Love IS an all-star & has been several times. That is not a "fringe" all-star.

What is asinine about that argument is CJ has never even come close to sniffing an all-star selection. So how in the hell does a 'common' player like CJ have more value than an all-star + loto pick?
 
tester551 said:
Who is the fringe all-star?
Love IS an all-star & has been several times. That is not a "fringe" all-star.

What is asinine about that argument is CJ has never even come close to sniffing an all-star selection. So how in the hell does a 'common' player like CJ have more value than an all-star + loto pick?
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Love wouldn't be an all-star without LBJ, nor would he make it in the West anymore. He's a fringe all-star much like Horford.

As for your other sentence...
:police:
I'm not the one forming the argument so go to twitter and call this guy asinine.
https://twitter.com/wojespn?lang=en
 
blue9 said:
What would we win? If you mean like how we "won" the Crabbe trade with BKN, then yeah, I guess. That's a pretty depressing use of the word "win" though.
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We win by not having TWO 10 MILLON DOLLAR DNPs AT THE END OF THE BENCH
 
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tester551 said:
Who is the fringe all-star?
Love IS an all-star & has been several times. That is not a "fringe" all-star.

What is asinine about that argument is CJ has never even come close to sniffing an all-star selection. So how in the hell does a 'common' player like CJ have more value than an all-star + loto pick?
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The "all-star" criterion is so utterly stupid. Jamal Magloire, coming out of retirement, would still be an all-star while CJ is not. Pretty sure 101 out of 100 GMs would pick CJ over Magloire.
Yes, I'm using an extreme example to make my point, but the point still stands. Being an all-star should have NO bearing on a player's worth.
 
LayneStaley said:
Ha

We win by not having TWO 10 MILLON DOLLAR DNPs AT THE END OF THE BENCH
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But what does that "win" us? Ultimately it makes us a shallower team, and therefore worse. It's not even addition by subtraction (the way dropping Turner would be), because neither is in the rotation.
 
blue9 said:
But what does that "win" us? Ultimately it makes us a shallower team, and therefore worse. It's not even addition by subtraction (the way dropping Turner would be), because neither is in the rotation.
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It wins us a bit of salary cap flexibility for next season if we honestly can deal those 2 for expirings. That would be huge, especially since they offer nothing. That money could be used on players who help the rotation next year.
 
tester551 said:
Who is the fringe all-star?
Love IS an all-star & has been several times. That is not a "fringe" all-star.

What is asinine about that argument is CJ has never even come close to sniffing an all-star selection. So how in the hell does a 'common' player like CJ have more value than an all-star + loto pick?
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CJ won’t be an all star because guard is significantly deeper, especially in the West, than power forward.

I think CJ is probably seen as a) more talented b) more durable and c) more skilled overall around the league, thus higher value...
 
LayneStaley said:
It wins us a bit of salary cap flexibility for next season if we honestly can deal those 2 for expirings. That would be huge, especially since they offer nothing. That money could be used on players who help the rotation next year.
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But it doesn't, really. Removing Harkless/Meyers salaries don't give us any (much) money to sign anyone. We have the MLE regardless of whether H/M are on the books or not. They might be the difference between the mini-MLE and the full MLE (not sure), but it's unlikely we'd sign anybody better than Mo with either. The cap flexibility is not "huge" - at best, it's minuscule. Financially the only thing it would really do is get us under the lux tax line, but not below the cap.
 
blue9 said:
But it doesn't, really. Removing Harkless/Meyers salaries don't give us any (much) money to sign anyone. We have the MLE regardless of whether H/M are on the books or not. They might be the difference between the mini-MLE and the full MLE (not sure), but it's unlikely we'd sign anybody better than Mo with either. The cap flexibility is not "huge" - at best, it's minuscule. Financially the only thing it would really do is get us under the lux tax line, but not below the cap.
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As my best friend often says, "Betting than nothin'." Actually that isn't reassuring.
 
blue9 said:
But it doesn't, really. Removing Harkless/Meyers salaries don't give us any (much) money to sign anyone. We have the MLE regardless of whether H/M are on the books or not. They might be the difference between the mini-MLE and the full MLE (not sure), but it's unlikely we'd sign anybody better than Mo with either. The cap flexibility is not "huge" - at best, it's minuscule. Financially the only thing it would really do is get us under the lux tax line, but not below the cap.
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Well if we get below the tax we can offer someone the non tax paying MLE and that could make a big difference on the caliber of player we’d be able to sign.
 
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