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AmirIcon said:
You're still regurgitating Zionist talking points. Who wants to wipe Israel off the map? They just want the Zionist entity to stop occupying another country and group of people.



I'm confused. What are they fighting for?



I think it's likely the case but you can't keep sitting there when the status quo is already a 10 out of 10 on being bad and hundreds of thousands are dying.



Go look at how Omar and Tlaib won big in districts Biden won that Harris absolutely got her ass handed to her. Any extermination of people with images of dead children is absolutely effecting everyday Americans. Everything you're saying about the genocide is exactly what corporate Democrats would say in their examination of their failures as they continue to take AIPAC money.
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You're ranting like a lunatic. In 2005, Khomeini said Israel should be wiped off the map. The Hamas Covenant calls for the destruction of Israel by Islam.

If you can't admit these very clear and simple, substantiated facts, then you are a fanatic who can't have any kind of constructive conversation on the subject. Not surprising, I've found you aren't even able to discuss the Blazers in a constructive way.

I don't even know these Zionist talking points. I've said I think Netanyahu engages in genocide worse than Hamas, Hezbollah or Iran, which would seem odd if I'm a Zionist supporter. I don't expect that to mean anything to you, because you seem to be blinded by hatred. It happens. Just don't expect me to engage all of your nonsense. I have important things to do.
 
AmirIcon said:
Harris came from an incredibly unpopular administration and while Trump is terrible on many issues, he actually speaks a populist language. If you don't get that, I can't help you.
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Trump was the president when Harris was not and failed in every way possible, unlike Biden/Harris. The Biden Administration was cleaning up Trump's humongous mess. If you don't get that, no one can help you, and, honestly, reading your posts, your hatred is out of control and clouds your judgment.
 
"The populist language" apparently = hate the trans people, say I've been put upon, lie about American citizens eating their neighbors' pets and call the country a garbage can.

I'm glad I'm not a populist. I prefer to be a thinking individual.
 
But, I'm sure Hamas kidnapped a thousand random people from a concert just because they wanted to party. Nothing at all out of the ordinary there.
 
PCmor7 said:
Trump was the president when Harris was not and failed in every way possible, unlike Biden/Harris. The Biden Administration was cleaning up Trump's humongous mess. If you don't get that, no one can help you, and, honestly, reading your posts, I do think you might need professional help. Your hatred is out of control and clouds your judgment.
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The economy wasn't better under Trump? Now you're just being dishonest. You're crying and using adhominem attacks because your candidate lost and instead of learning a lesson, you're lashing out at people. It doesn't have to be symmetrical. I appreciate your online diagnosis. Super credible. I'm not even a Trump supporter but this is a perfect example of how the Democratic establishment has pushed away independents and progressives who don't support genocide and terrible neo-liberal policies.

Take a look in the mirror if you have the courage to. You might be surprised at what you find.
 
PCmor7 said:
"The populist language" apparently = hate the trans people, say I've been put upon, lie about American citizens eating their neighbors' pets and call the country a garbage can.

I'm glad I'm not a populist. I prefer to be a thinking individual.
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Funny what you think passes for "thinking."
 
PCmor7 said:
You're ranting like a lunatic. In 2005, Khomeini said Israel should be wiped off the map. The Hamas Covenant calls for the destruction of Israel by Islam.
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I'm not here to do PR for either, but Hamas revised its charter and doesn't say anything about the destruction of Israel. They have explained repeatedly is that their beef is with the Zionist occupation.

I don't even know these Zionist talking points. I've said I think Netanyahu engages in genocide worse than Hamas, Hezbollah or Iran, which would seem odd if I'm a Zionist supporter. I don't expect that to mean anything to you, because you seem to be blinded by hatred. It happens. Just don't expect me to engage all of your nonsense. I have important things to do.
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Who do I hate? Do tell. You engaged with me and I responded. Crying all over the board because your mediocre candidate got wiped out and instead of looking at why you're trying to chastise everyone over it. You need a mental health day, buddy. No shame in that. Drink water and take care of yourself.
 
AmirIcon said:
Funny what you think passes for "thinking."
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I think the biggest thing is that you've gone from saying you didn't support Harris over Trump because her administration enabled genocide to now say Trump speaks the populist language, which, apparently, includes Trump not caring if Israel wipes out the Palestinians entirely.

Yeah, I don't think you're really in any position to discuss thinking. You've been rationalizing all over the map in the name of hating everyone and everything that doesn't agree with you to the period.
 
AmirIcon said:
The economy wasn't better under Trump? Now you're just being dishonest. You're crying and using adhominem attacks because your candidate lost and instead of learning a lesson, you're lashing out at people. It doesn't have to be symmetrical. I appreciate your online diagnosis. Super credible. I'm not even a Trump supporter but this is a perfect example of how the Democratic establishment has pushed away independents and progressives who don't support genocide and terrible neo-liberal policies.

Take a look in the mirror if you have the courage to. You might be surprised at what you find.
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The economy wasn't better under Trump. It set records under Biden. Apparently you cherry pick what you read in the OT section, because if you were paying attention, you'd have read that most of the people here who have investments have made more money under Biden than we did under Trump. So quit making shit up to support your biases. And your definition of "genocide" is just that. Your definition. You also exaggerate how much the average American gives a shit about Israel and the Middle East in general. It certainly had no weight on my vote. Most people vote with their wallet. And most people (like you) are badly mistaken when they thought Trump did a better job with the economy. I hope you're financially secure enough the withstand the economic shit show headed our way.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
The economy wasn't better under Trump. It set records under Biden. Apparently you cherry pick what you read in the OT section, because if you were paying attention, you'd have read that most of the people here who have investments have made more money under Biden than we did under Trump. So quit making shit up to support your biases. And your definition of "genocide" is just that. Your definition. You also exaggerate how much the average American gives a shit about Israel and the Middle East in general. It certainly had no weight on my vote. Most people vote with their wallet. And most people (like you) are badly mistaken when they thought Trump did a better job with the economy. I hope you're financially secure enough the withstand the economic shit show headed our way.
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Go point to some numbers and tell people their experience with higher prices isn't real. I'm sure it'll work. Keep at it.
 
AmirIcon said:
Go point to some numbers and tell people their experience with higher prices isn't real. I'm sure it'll work. Keep at it.
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I already tried to tell (and show) them that they were dealing with Trump's inflation but they were too stupid to get it. How 'bout you???
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
I already tried to tell (and show) them that they were dealing with Trump's inflation but they were too stupid to get it. How 'bout you???
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Bro. I AGREE with you. Please listen. The stuff I'm saying is not out of love for Trump, it's from what everyday people are seeing. I already know this. Harris didn't communicate this well at all. There's consequences to cutting taxes like Trump did.
 
AmirIcon said:
Bro. I AGREE with you. Please listen. The stuff I'm saying is not out of love for Trump, it's from what everyday people are seeing. I already know this. Harris didn't communicate this well at all. There's consequences to cutting taxes like Trump did.
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See, this makes sense, and that's the frustrating thing with you. If you took a deep breath and counted to 10 everytime before you read something you didn't 100% agree with on the Middle East there exists a decent possibility you could deliver a reasonable idea and one that wouldn't alienate people who are more with you than against you, even if not entirely so.
 
This all terribly sucks, but let's chill with the personal attacks.
 
beast blazer said:
Why do leftists always do this "voice quiver" thing to show how much they care? I expect it from women, but these weak leftist men make me sick. Being weak and feminine is "chic" in lefty circles...
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Jimmy Kimmel is completely aloof to the fact he is a card-carrying member of the elitist class that was overwhelmingly rejected by average Americans the other night. What is his answer? To wag his finger some more at people who’s lives he’ll never begin to understand.

Remember, these are the same people who during covid danced and sang little songs with millions in their bank accounts while telling people who live paycheck to paycheck to “just stay home”. Then they shamed them mercilessly if they asked questions.

Fuck these out of touch assholes. As much as i would love to see them just go away overnight, their slow descent into irrelevance, obscurity, unemployment and medical psychosis is actually much more enjoyable to watch.
 
Kamala didn't do well with framing her ideas for dealing with the middle east (Trump didn't either but that's not an issue for him) if she were to get elected. She had voters on both sides of the issue to cater to and she failed to do that. She ignored it by not picking Shapiro and not talking a whole lot about the situation.

I guess she thought it better to not risk stirring the pot and making it appear she was picking sides or speaking out against one and for another. She should have been more vocal about the situation, been willing to face up to it more.

In the end though, I don't think that it is what cost her the election. A lot people didn't turn out or vote for her for other reasons.

Also, if you don't think Trump is going to back Netanyahu bombing Palestine off the map, I don't know what to tell you.
 
jonnyboy said:
Jimmy Kimmel is completely aloof to the fact he is a card-carrying member of the elitist class that was overwhelmingly rejected by average Americans the other night. What is his answer? To wag his finger some more at people who’s lives he’ll never begin to understand.
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Are we honestly pretending that the side that won this week doesn't also cater to the elitist class? The conservative power brokers are just as out of touch with the common man.
 
The average voter doesn’t vote based on what’s going on in the Middle East.

The average voter might know that there’s unrest, but doesn’t know the inner workings.

The average voter knows that grocery and rent are higher. The average younger voter thinks the American dream is unattainable.
 
This is pretty interesting. And ironic, if someone follows through and does it.

 
THE HCP said:
Successful or not, my kids might never be able to buy a house. I know my wife and I couldn’t afford our house we live in now if we were trying to buy it.
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The house my ex and kids live in is probably the last house any of the four of us will ever own. I'm not going to own a house again (for reasons), and my ex can't afford one on her own. My kids will probably be drafted into World War III and... well, if they're lucky, maybe they'll get one of those cheap Army homes in Northern California.
 
“If you were able to overlook a genocide and cast a vote for Harris, you already know how a conservative was able to overlook Trump’s extremism and vote for him.”
 
AmirIcon said:
“If you were able to overlook a genocide and cast a vote for Harris, you already know how a conservative was able to overlook Trump’s extremism and vote for him.”
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Not voting for Harris and getting Trump because of it is like getting a corporate match on your 401k: every death in Gaza will be matched by a death here. Twice as much death, and all you had to do was nothing.
 
Everything Beagle said:
Not voting for Harris and getting Trump because of it is like getting a corporate match on your 401k: every death in Gaza will be matched by a death here. Twice as much death, and all you had to do was nothing.
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Theory does not match what the status quo is doing to those people. I'm not hopeful he'll be any better but I don't begrudge people taking that chance.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Are we honestly pretending that the side that won this week doesn't also cater to the elitist class? The conservative power brokers are just as out of touch with the common man.
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One side is actually trying to put forth a message to those average people while the other side is trotting out celebrities to shame and guilt trip them based solely on race, gender and other identity based factors.
I certainly don’t think all Republicans are acting in good faith by any means, at least not the establishment Rinos. But at the very least some their messaging is on point. There is also an anti-establishment wing of the Republican party which the Democrats simply do not posess. The Democratic party IS the establishment in every sense of the word.
 
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