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jonnyboy said:
Your opinions are not only hypothetical, they directly contradict Trumps first term. The Democrats actions the last 4 years are tangible and measurable. You could vote for a rock and at least have the small chance of getting something different. Democrats have already shown what they were about and didn’t offer any change.
It’s kind of a no brainer.
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Oh, I agree - in fact all your opinions are no brainers.

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jonnyboy said:
Your opinions are not only hypothetical, they directly contradict Trumps first term. The Democrats actions the last 4 years are tangible and measurable. You could vote for a rock and at least have the small chance of getting something different. Democrats have already shown what they were about and didn’t offer any change.
It’s kind of a no brainer.
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It doesn't contradict shit. He destroyed the economy and fucked this country over. He will do it again and even worse this time around.

In regards to the middle east, Netanyahu wants war. He needs it to stay in power. Trump will not talk him out of it.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I suppose it could help. But it also could backfire. Trying to scare the shit out of everyone on every topic, regardless if it's true, seems counterproductive.

The problem with "The Boy Who Called Wolf" (in this case Nate Lerner who is a Democratic Strategist from NY) is that people start tuning it all out when things don't happen as promised. Then when a legitimate concern occurs not enough people are paying attention.

Look I really hate defending Trump in any way, but at the same time, I really don't want another 4 years like last time where people, like my neighbors, went ape shit on everything. For example, they were scared to death that Trump would start a nuclear war with North Korea. Then they were pissed that he "legitimized their regime" by meeting with them at a summit.

I just think people need to be more selective with their scare tactics, otherwise, it just gives more fodder to news cable shows to make fun of when it doesn't happen.
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Trump is always going to find a peaceful solution because he's for sale. All any country has to do is pay him and he'll be okay with whatever it is they're doing.

Our allies won't feel the need to pay him. So he'll have a problem with them. But that won't come to war.
 
I remembered Trump talked about the executive branch taking over the Fed.

Those of you hoping your 401K will help you through retirement, how do you feel about it being in the hands of a guy that went bankrupt six times?
 
jonnyboy said:
Mmm Hmm. Yeah i’m the one patronizing. Never an introspective thought with you guys huh? Always looking outward for the blame.
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You wanna blame the world's issues on some guys in a basket forum? Get real.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I suppose it could help. But it also could backfire. Trying to scare the shit out of everyone on every topic, regardless if it's true, seems counterproductive.

The problem with "The Boy Who Called Wolf" (in this case Nate Lerner who is a Democratic Strategist from NY) is that people start tuning it all out when things don't happen as promised. Then when a legitimate concern occurs not enough people are paying attention.

Look I really hate defending Trump in any way, but at the same time, I really don't want another 4 years like last time where people, like my neighbors, went ape shit on everything. For example, they were scared to death that Trump would start a nuclear war with North Korea. Then they were pissed that he "legitimized their regime" by meeting with them at a summit.

I just think people need to be more selective with their scare tactics, otherwise, it just gives more fodder to news cable shows to make fun of when it doesn't happen.
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That's understandable. I do think there is a bit much of it. Some of it may be exaggeration, but there is a truth at the nucleus of it. When someone shows you who they are, believe them. A lot of things Trump said he is going to do, might not happen. Some won't. But, it's better being safe than sorry.

This time around he isn't going to have people telling him no. Think about that. That's dangerous.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Trump is always going to find a peaceful solution because he's for sale. All any country has to do is pay him and he'll be okay with whatever it is they're doing.

Our allies won't feel the need to pay him. So he'll have a problem with them. But that won't come to war.
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Yeah, I don't think he will lead us into a nuclear war or anything. He wants to look good. I'm more worried about the cost of his actions later.

He will likely gift Ukraine to Russia, and then Russia is right on the border with NATO countries. Putin is hoping they don't pay, because Trump has said he won't protect them if they don't. Though he will likely probably have to anyway if it comes to that. But, really it's a long game, and his actions can cost us and our allies dearly down the road.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Something confusing to me is how many people push DJT as a Godly man. I can understand if Christians feel that he is the candidate that closest aligns with their views if they were to vote for him. But for those that hold him out to be some religious, holy man, it makes my skin crawl.

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Godly my ass. He better hope hell doesn't exist.
 
Chris Craig said:
Yeah, I don't think he will lead us into a nuclear war or anything. He wants to look good. I'm more worried about the cost of his actions later.

He will likely gift Ukraine to Russia, and then Russia is right on the border with NATO countries. Putin is hoping they don't pay, because Trump has said he won't protect them if they don't. Though he will likely probably have to anyway if it comes to that. But, really it's a long game, and his actions can cost us and our allies dearly down the road.
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Oh for sure. NATO is screwed. So is Ukraine and probably Taiwan.
 
Trump said to Tucker Carlson today that he'll kill the electric car in America and green energy...China will have that and we will have gas and oil. No more windmills either...that's a fixation of his. He wants the military to stop developing electric tanks and trucks as well. Trump just so happens to be heavily invested in coal, steel and oil stocks. Not sure if he's told Musk that yet.
 
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riverman said:
Trump said to Tucker Carlson today that he'll kill the electric car in America and green energy...China will have that and we will have gas and oil. No more windmills either...that's a fixation of his. He wants the military to stop developing electric tanks and trucks as well. Trump just so happens to be heavily invested in coal, steel and oil stocks. Not sure if he's told Musk that yet.
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But his pal Elon
 
Chris Craig said:
Oh yeah, Taiwan...yep that's China now.
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I don't think that's a given at all...there are many allies ready to defend Taiwan in the region including Japan. China will find itself in a longer conflict than they thought and suffer a lot of losses attacking Taiwan. China cannot afford a war and just watched Russia get mired in a long expensive one with no end in sight. England, Germany, Canada, Australia and others have sent warships through the Taiwan strait and had naval exercises with the Philippines etc....the Pacific Alliance is like NATO and Taiwan will not be alone if attacked even if Trump doesn't support them. We have military advisors there right now. South Korea is also part of the alliance, and they have a big modern military.
 
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riverman said:
I don't think that's a given at all...there are many allies ready to defend Taiwan in the region including Japan. China will find itself in a longer conflict than they thought and suffer a lot of losses attacking Taiwan. China cannot afford a war and just watched Russia get mired in a long expensive one with no end in sight. England, Germany, Canada, Australia and others have sent warships through the Taiwan strait and had naval exercises with the Philippines etc....the Pacific Alliance is like NATO and Taiwan will not be alone if attacked even if Trump doesn't support them. We have military advisors there right now. South Korea is also part of the alliance, and they have a big modern military.
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Let's hope that holds them off
 
riverman said:
I believe they'll hold themselves back after seeing Russia...I also believe NATO could kick Russia out of Ukraine without US involvement
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I hope they are strong enough. Id like to see them step up if Trump withdrawals support.
 
PCmor7 said:
Maybe Trump will give China Greenland.
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Didn't he talk about the US buying it last time he was in office? Greenland was like, fuck you!
 
riverman said:
I believe they'll hold themselves back after seeing Russia...I also believe NATO could kick Russia out of Ukraine without US involvement
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How much more effective do you think Russia would have been if the US had been Russia's ally instead of Ukraines?
 
riverman said:
Trump said to Tucker Carlson today that he'll kill the electric car in America and green energy...China will have that and we will have gas and oil. No more windmills either...that's a fixation of his. He wants the military to stop developing electric tanks and trucks as well. Trump just so happens to be heavily invested in coal, steel and oil stocks. Not sure if he's told Musk that yet.
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