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wizenheimer said:
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let's see...3 of the top 15 are C's and 5 of the top-20 are C's

I don't see much evidence that PER favors bigs. Outliers will be present in all the categories. Where bigs get an advantage is in defensive metrics. As I said in my post, what skews PER the most is usage. For high usage and high minute players, it's a decent gauge of production and efficiency

if you want to make an argument PER favors bigs, I'm open to persuasion:

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I don't have the skills or the patience to analyze all that
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https://thezscore.com/2016/02/17/the-definitive-per-criticism/

Not my analysis, but this article basically explains what I mean.

PER also has a bias regarding what kind of player it favours over others. PER values big men who play a limited amount of minutes, rebound well, have a low turnover rate and shoot a high percentage. The best example of this is Enes Kanter, who, according to PER, is the 14th best player in the NBA, which he clearly isn’t.

You might be thinking to yourself, the player I just described sounds like an excellent player. But there is a reason why he is playing such limited minutes: he isn’t that good. There is a reason why he shoots at a high percentage: he creates none of his shots. Finally, the reason he has a low turnover rate is because he doesn’t have the ability to warrant having the ball in his hands.
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Natebishop3 said:
Bruh.....

TS%: Powell .612....Eubanks .666
eFG%: Powell .559....Eubanks .651
RebRate: Powell 6.3%....Eubanks 15.2%

No shit a center like Eubanks will have a higher shooting percentage and a better rebounding rate :lol:

You're better than this Wize. I expect more.
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did you also notice I listed assist rate, PER, and winshares? And did you notice that Powell had a 19% higher assist rate while Eubanks had a 140% higher rebound rate. Aren't guards with good handles and more than double the usage rate expected to have a much higher assist rate than a big like Eubanks? For certainly there is a proportional advantage for rebounding over assists, but 140% vs 19% is a pretty noticeable gap

I'd say if you can gauge the Powell trade on Portland not getting a 1st round pick it's sure fair for me to compare Powell's impact to other players who would NEVER be traded for a 1st round pick. I suppose I could have just confined the comparison to PER, Winshares, BPM, and Vorp...the sum of which points at them having about the same impact...do you disagree with that? (by the way, Raptor and WAR stats show them essentially even as well)

you also used the Blazers getting a 1st for Hart as 'evidence' that that the Powell trade was a disaster. I'd say Hart has a lot more value than Powell because of his versatility and 2-way game. I'd also say that after Minny and Cleveland paid a total 12 first round picks and swaps last summer, the price of 1st round picks dropped a lot compared to when Powell was traded. And first's were probably devalued even further when it was reported the Raptors were asking for 3 first's for OG. In other words Hart was traded in a different market for picks than Powell was

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my take on Powell is this: he has some good positive value because he's a good three point shooter and he attacks the basket well while getting to the FT line. Those are good attributes. But that is offset by the reality he's a 6'3 guard with short arms who plays poor defense. He's not a two-way player or a 3&D guy. He's at a substantial disadvantage when he's matched up against 6'6-6'9 wings. He has almost no PG skills yet he's not good starting 2-guard material and as a backup his 18M/year salary is not attractive. Ballmer is willing to pay but a lot of other teams wouldn't be. All that goes to offset the positive value
 
PtldPlatypus said:
https://thezscore.com/2016/02/17/the-definitive-per-criticism/

Not my analysis, but this article basically explains what I mean.
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I'd say it's more minutes than height involved in that skew

but I'd also point out I used several more categories than just PER

I'd also wonder if it's possible that a 6'10 player who rebounds well, blocks shots, and hustles, has as much value on a basketball court as a significantly undersized wing who scores well, doesn't run an offense, and plays bad defense?
 
HailBlazers said:
That would be great, Chauncey needs a new lead.
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Yeah, maybe it's Ime as associate head coach if he doesn't get the HC gig with Toronto. Then if Chauncey can't coach this team to win (if it is a win now team) then Ime can take over.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Why do you think he has short arms?

He had the 6th longest wingspan among guards in his draft while being easily the shortest guy.
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I guess I got his arm length wrong....might have been confusing him with CJ
 
wizenheimer said:
I guess I got his arm length wrong....might have been confusing him with CJ
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Norm was supposed to be a decent defender when we traded for him, and one of the reasons they claimed he would be able to play small forward was his wingspan. It turned out to be false. His wingspan is only an advantage against other guards.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Norm was supposed to be a decent defender when we traded for him, and one of the reasons they claimed he would be able to play small forward was his wingspan. It turned out to be false. His wingspan is only an advantage against other guards.
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ok...I have thought, for years, that wingspan was a really overrated component of basketball

what's important for defense is reaction, reflex, lateral mobility, and vision
 
DDolla said:
Since we can’t get a top FA to sign with Portland, at least get a better coach please. Nick Nurse is waiting for your call Cronin
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But weren’t you in here 10x a day two years ago wanting to fire Stotts? Anybody is better right? When do you stop bro?
 
Why are we not in the playoffs? Kawhi, PG13 out. Embiid is hurt. Suns one injury away from being eliminated, Giannis hurt. It’s wide open this year.
 
DDolla said:
Why are we not in the playoffs? Kawhi, PG13 out. Embiid is hurt. Suns one injury away from being eliminated, Giannis hurt. It’s wide open this year.
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IF we had made the playoffs, we'd be the team getting run out of the gym by Denver. That's why we pivoted to the lottery. We weren't good enough to win a game, let alone a series.
 
If the Cavs fizzle out, I think Jarrett Allen could be moved. Having him and Mobley in at the same time is not optimal for offensive spacing.
 
Samuel said:
yeah I can get behind balancing the cap sheet, but not getting back at least a first round pick for Norm is unimpeachably bad.

like what the fuck, Joe. No one cares if he likes long walks on the beach or grew up in SoCal.
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There are two problems, yes the Blazers didn't get draft picks or assets for rotational level player(s). So yes the initial asset return was basically non-existent.

Second problem with trading away Norm, Nance, Roco for virtually nothing and then Jody pocketing the cash from Bledsoe, Ingels, trade exceptions...... is the Blazers now don't even have contracts to acquire the vets Dame urgently wants. If the Blazers were to offer their lottery pick or future picks for a quality starter this summer they can't just throw in dead salary. The Blazers also have to part with a starting level player in Ant/Nurk, even if the other team doesn't care and would be happy with an expiring contract.

Joe claimed the Clippers trade gave the Blazers future "flexibility" but it didn't; it did the exact opposite! The Blazers won't be under the cap, they need player on contracts that are not overpaid for "flexibility".

If the Blazers had Norm they could flip him and an asset for a star, or keep Norm as the first guard off the bench and flip Ant for a forward. Multiple options to add rotational players to this roster would be "flexibility". Instead Joes trades saved the Blazers cash and reduced his future options. As a result of Joes trades there are less possibilities of bringing multiple winning players onto the roster.

We just had so many fans blinded by Neil Olshey hate they wanted to celebrate any moves that seemingly went against what Olshey had built.

The Clippers trade was the start to the disaster that has been this franchise since Neil was fired. I'm super grateful Joe has done a single good move in taking the risk to draft Sharpe. But I'm afraid we have mostly bad moves coming as in dumping Norm and signing Hard Cap GP2. I'm afraid we have far fewer of the smart moves coming such as taking a chance on Sharpe. Would love to be proven wrong, but if you look at all of the Cronin moves, and where the team is now vs when he was hired it's very discouraging.
 
DDolla said:
Why are we not in the playoffs? Kawhi, PG13 out. Embiid is hurt. Suns one injury away from being eliminated, Giannis hurt. It’s wide open this year.
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Because collectively Portland's talent is not good.

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
Because collectively Portland's talent is not good.

STOMP
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Thing is, we knew this last September and it took the majority of this joint til February to realize it.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
IF we had made the playoffs, we'd be the team getting run out of the gym by Denver. That's why we pivoted to the lottery. We weren't good enough to win a game, let alone a series.
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Don't forget that you couldn't decide if you were mad about that pivot or not.
 
THE HCP said:
Thing is, we knew this last September and it took the majority of this joint til February to realize it.
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There's a loud group of Blazers fans that don't watch other NBA teams and are so focused on the Blazers they convince themselves every year the team will be special and greatly exceed national expectations.
 
KingSpeed said:
How does Nick Nurse get fired??? He won them a championship! Fire Chauncey and bring in Nurse now.
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Toronto isn't trying to win right now.

If the Blazers were trying to win I might be onboard with getting Nurse over Billups.

But with how shitty this roster currently is, and the importance of developing youth trumping wins I don't think the coach matters as much and heck I might even prefer Chauncey.

But the biggest blocker might be Jody unwillingness to pay two coaches.
 
THE HCP said:
Thing is, we knew this last September and it took the majority of this joint til February to realize it.
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significant exaggeration

IIRC there was a prediction thread prior to the season and the average number of wins predicted was in the 42-44 range...maybe on the low side of that
 
wizenheimer said:
significant exaggeration

IIRC there was a prediction thread prior to the season and the average number of wins predicted was in the 42-44 range...maybe on the low side of that
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Lol I predicated HCA and I was like "eh" when it all went south.
 
https://8points9seconds.com/2023/04/21/pacers-raptors-desperate/

Pacers should look to capitalize after Raptors desperation move

The Pacers will be able to spend big money on player this offseason, but the question is, who should they go after? While many have speculated across many teams in the league, one name that is continuously brought up is our friends to the north in Toronto.

On Friday, the Raptors fired Nick Nurse as the head coach in a league-signaling move that big changes may be coming down the road. And because of this, the Pacers should be looking to potentially cash in on a Raptor rebuild.

There are two player in particular that many Pacers fans would be salivating to acquire, mainly, OG Anunoby and Pascal Siakam. Both play a position of need for the Pacers and both are significantly better true power forwards than the Pacers have had in decades.
 
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