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Hickson could pad some stats, and he would hustle his butt to do so, but I always thought he was a net negative. Still do.
 
I didn't want JJ back. He was just never a team player and he padded stats in his contract year. He had the same weakness TRob has shown at times, out of position on defense. JJ has a lot of talent but tunnel vision on the court.
 
But if Denver got T-Rob they could have the all-numbskull front line and would lead the league in Shaqtin' the fool appearances!
 
magnifier661 said:
Okay so you believe Howard's injury is minor? The injury where he injected bone marrow and is out for 6-8 weeks? Like that minor? I don't have to spin anything. Being out that long is either a serious injury or a broken bone. So which is it?
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Not falling for that strawman. I never said anything about major or minor, you are the one that compared it to B.Roy's injuries and have implied that it is career altering. Breaking bones is not career altering by the way, the bones heal. Either way, it's not a broken bone, it is a Edema. That is what it is.



Everyone uses analytics, but his point was "advanced analytics" doesn't build a champion, talent does. I 100% agree with this.

We all agree Charles doesnt know shit, but his point about advanced stats is true. Sorry
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It's not true, because his point was that they are a bunch of crap. That's his words. So he disagrees with the past 3 championship teams, that's true? That's a guy you're backing? Spurs have been using this stuff, Morey came from the Celtics FO btw, who have been using it. Any franchise that is worth it's salt is using this stuff.

Charles just positioned himself further from a GM job. BTW Charles says all Morey did was get Harden when he was against the trade and thought the Thunder WON the trade then. He seriously thought that Martin/Lamb was better than Harden at the time. Basketball wise that is, we know why OKC makes that trade (in a perfect world with no cap then they probably don't) but he thought it was a good move for the Thunder. So according to Charles he wouldn't have even made the trade for Harden in the first place...

julius said:
Not sure that bringing up a team from 22 years ago, when defenses were different and rules were different, is such a good point to make.

A better example would've been to say that the 13 Heat gave up 118 once (in double OT though) and the 14 Spurs gave up 118 once too (also in double OT).

In the game where the Heat gave up 118+ (129 actually), they gave up 112 in regulation. Their season high otherwise was 116.

In the game where the Spurs gave up 118+ (118 exactly), they gave up 99 in regulation. So 115 was their high otherwise.

Not sure that's the bar we need to set though.
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Yeah, i just bought it up because it's a bad point to make any ways. Teams get hot or sometimes players are just fatigued or not focused. It happens over an 82 game season now and then.

The only reason Charles said this though is because he despises the Rockets. He has this grudge against the organization, he'll say one good thing about them. Usually related to Harden and that's it. I should correct myself, he likes the city and maybe the team but he doesn't like the owner. So he'll just always say the Rockets made a mistake, he used to talk about Yao Ming too. I don't think he even cared about the points we allowed last night, if it wasn't that it would have been something else.
 
julius said:
I think there might've been what, 3 people who wanted him to stay. I think it was a very small majority who wanted to keep him.

But than again, this is from the guy who thinks Damian drinks like a fish.
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*twitches*
 
julius said:
Not sure that bringing up a team from 22 years ago, when defenses were different and rules were different, is such a good point to make.

A better example would've been to say that the 13 Heat gave up 118 once (in double OT though) and the 14 Spurs gave up 118 once too (also in double OT).

In the game where the Heat gave up 118+ (129 actually), they gave up 112 in regulation. Their season high otherwise was 116.

In the game where the Spurs gave up 118+ (118 exactly), they gave up 99 in regulation. So 115 was their high otherwise.

Not sure that's the bar we need to set though.
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Last night was the 5th time through 52 games the Rockets have given up => 118 points, all in regulation and the previous 4 all losses.

So, maybe Chuck has a point. When was the last time a team that gave up =>118 points 5, or more, times in regulation during the regular season won a championship, or made the finals?

BNM
 
Superbeard said:
Yeah, i just bought it up because it's a bad point to make any ways. Teams get hot or sometimes players are just fatigued or not focused. It happens over an 82 game season now and then.
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In the case of the 2014-15 Rockets, now and then = about once every 10 games.

BNM
 
And since it's bound to come up, the Blazers have given up => 118 points twice this season.

Once in a 3OT 129-119 win over the defending champion Spurs (97 points in regulation) and once in a 118 - 113 loss to PHO.

BNM
 
http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/ap-source-george-karl-coach-kings-star-break-28897936

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The person spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because the discussions were private. The plan is for Karl to coach the Kings in their first game following the All-Star break Feb. 20 at home against Boston, meaning Tyrone Corbin will be coaching his final game for Sacramento on Wednesday night at Milwaukee.

Karl is attending funeral services for former North Carolina coach Dean Smith this week. The Kings are expected to announce the deal in the coming days after final terms have been agreed upon and the contract has been signed.

Karl will be Sacramento's third coach this season.

The Kings (18-33) made the surprising move to fire Michael Malone in December after an 11-13 start in his second season as coach, even though they had shown progress until All-Star center DeMarcus Cousins was sidelined for an extended period with viral meningitis. Sacramento slid even further after promoting Corbin from lead assistant, losing 12 of its last 14 games and 20 of 27 overall since Malone's dismissal.

Karl is a proven winner in the league and a familiar face for Sacramento's front office.

Kings general manager Pete D'Alessandro and assistant general manager Mike Bratz are among those who worked with him in Denver, and team adviser Chris Mullin played for Karl with theGolden State Warriors from 1986-88.

Karl last coached in the 2012-13 season, when he won NBA Coach of the Year with the Nuggets before being fired following a first-round playoff loss to the Warriors. D'Alessandro left Denver that summer and brought Bratz with him to Sacramento.

The Nuggets made the postseason all nine years under Karl. They advanced past the first round only once during his tenure, losing to the Los Angeles Lakers in the 2009 Western Conference finals.

Karl, who has been working as an analyst for ESPN, has let it be known the last two months that he wants another shot on the sidelines. He has openly talked about his interest and recently thanked fans in Sacramento and Orlando — which fired coach Jacque Vaughn last week — for their support on Twitter.

The 63-year-old Karl, a cancer survivor, is one of nine coaches in league history to eclipse 1,000 wins. He has 1,131 victories as a head coach, with stops in Cleveland, Golden State, Seattle and Milwaukee, earning a reputation for turning around teams.

Sacramento certainly presents another one of those challenges.

The Kings are headed for a ninth straight losing season and are trying to rebuild around Cousins, who has a history of clashing with coaches but was close with Malone. Cousins clearly doesn't like being dragged into the situation, though, venting his frustration to reporters after hitting the game-winning shot against Phoenix on Sunday night and releasing a statement through his agents at Relativity Sports to several media outlets Tuesday.

"I wasn't consulted when the decision was made to fire Mike Malone and I'm not being consulted now," Cousins said in the statement. "I just hope they make a decision soon and stick with it. George Karl is an experienced, proven coach and if that is who they chose to coach this team, I will support it. I do not like all these discussions in the media while we have a coach in place. It is a distraction and not fair to Coach Corbin and this team."

Kings owner Vivek Ranadive, Mullin and D'Alessandro had discussed Karl's candidacy since December. They'd also weighed whether to conduct a lengthier search in the offseason when more coaches might be available and have the benefit of training camp to prepare.

But with the Kings continuing to fall into irrelevance in the deep Western Conference, they ultimately decided to make another switch now.
 
Superbeard said:
It's not true, because his point was that they are a bunch of crap. That's his words. So he disagrees with the past 3 championship teams, that's true? That's a guy you're backing? Spurs have been using this stuff, Morey came from the Celtics FO btw, who have been using it. Any franchise that is worth it's salt is using this stuff.

Charles just positioned himself further from a GM job. BTW Charles says all Morey did was get Harden when he was against the trade and thought the Thunder WON the trade then. He seriously thought that Martin/Lamb was better than Harden at the time. Basketball wise that is, we know why OKC makes that trade (in a perfect world with no cap then they probably don't) but he thought it was a good move for the Thunder. So according to Charles he wouldn't have even made the trade for Harden in the first place...
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Charles is doing a poor job of saying analytics alone don't win championships... That it takes talent.
If one takes LBJ/Duncan/KG/Gasol off of the past championship teams... And replaces those players with an average player who has great analytic stats... Those teams don't win championships. They're competitive, but they just don't win it all. Talent > analytics.


A lot of people thought Harden was very good in OKC... But he "failed in the playoffs". He still hasn't shed that stigma. Maybe he will this year... Maybe he won't... We'll just have to wait for the playoffs to start.
But honestly the Rockets remind me of the what.. 09 Blazer team that faced the Rockets in the first round? When it was Brandon Roy vs The Rockets.
In the playoffs it's looking like it will be James Harden vs everyone else.
Sure people will have good games and help. But when it comes down to it.. Just like with Roy... If Harden isn't scoring... The team is going to lose.


One can question a lot of the moves Morey has made honestly.... Minus Harden/Howard. But one doesn't need analytics to know those two players will make your team better... When the previous year you were missing the playoffs/barely beating the Jazz out for a spot.
Harden is having a great season offensively..
However in the playoffs what happens when people decide to double team Harden late in games and live with the results?
Terry isn't the same jet.
Smith/Brewer aren't great 3 point shooters. In fact they're what... career 20% from deep?
Sure Brewer is getting better looks, and shooting 32% from deep. But he's still 37 for 114 and a career 29% 3 point shooter... Not sure about anyone else but I'd rather Brewer shoot the 3 than Harden... Or even be a playmaker as with the Rockets he has 32 turnovers to 50 assists? Pretty terrible ratio for a guy who is all about defense and not playmaking.
Smith is shooting better with the Rockets at 37% 24-65... But he's a career 28% 3 point shooter.... That's not really someone to be feared.
Highly doubt he'll stay around 40% better shots playing with Harden or not.
Really have to question if Brewer/Smith are really better than Lin/Asik.
One could argue the Rockets gave up depth for defense and expect Harden to do it all offensively.
Harden isn't Iverson.
 
julius said:
I've always been bad with than and then.
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How I have always remembered it is then means you're "adding to" (I.E. I'm going to the store and then the bank), and than is comparing between two things. (I love the Blazers more than you).

(That assertion is a not a statement of fact.)

/englishlesson
 
Davis out for the ASG. Thompson and Harden named starters for Blake and Kobe. Think LMA gets the nod for AD's spot?
 
the twitter is saying Enis Kanter wants to get traded. good big body, might be a headcase and with our bigs, probably not worth it.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
the twitter is saying Enis Kanter wants to get traded. good big body, might be a headcase and with our bigs, probably not worth it.
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He's also a defensive liability, and off our bench, we can't have that happening since some nights our bench can't score to maintain or come back.
 
Oh my god that harden 3 hahahaha. I don't think its possible to have a shot go any further into the net and not count.
 
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