OFFICIAL AROUND THE NBA MADNESS: MARCH 2025

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Julius - I am going to say this as nice as I can --- maybe

Are you fucking kidding me -- we do not have a good coach ( might get extended by the IDIOT GM ) , Sharpe 's growth has flatlined BECAUSE of Billups and / or the staff -- GM is not creative and speaks out of both sides of his ass on a daily basis to the point i am not sure HE even knows what is truth or BS at this point. The evidence of this is just listen to the broadcasts they are so full of it at times from his crap that it's a joke at times.

This team still has 3 / 4 vets and at least one should be gone if a certain GM would have done his damn job -- I am speaking of Grant , Ant and Ayton / Williams

I could go on but I have made my point and if you cannot get this then I am done trying to talk sense into someone who has bought into the BIG LIE that Cronin and / or the ownership group ( joke that it is ) is pushing

BTW these are just the highlights that I can think of I am sure I am missing a couple things.

I am willing to debate a LOT of things but the incompetence of this coaching staff and front office outside of Mike Schmitz are not one cause it's so obvious Ray FUCKING Charles who is blind could see it . It ticks me off to NO end that fans who I do think are smart for the most part buy this line of shit .. hook - line and sinker and that pisses me off . --
 
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BigGameDamian said:
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He didn't lose shit because I guarantee the difference between the price he bought the team for and the price he sold his majority share for eclipsed his now reported losses.

Also billionaires love businesses that they can claim as losses, it gives them certain loopholes to not pay taxes on other businesses they have that make the losses actually gains. It's all a big game and Cuban knows how to play it. If he would have wanted to make money year over year on the Mavs he would have.
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
Julius - I am going to say this as nice as I can --- maybe

Are you fucking kidding me -- we do not have a good coach ( might get extended by the IDIOT GM )
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the same GM who targeted Toumani and Sharpe, same GM who traded for Deni, and same GM who got multiple unprotected picks for Damian...

, Sharpe 's growth has flatlined BECAUSE of Billups and / or the staff
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you mean the guy who is scoring at a better clip than he did in his rookie and 2nd years? And actually has shown improvement in defense and paying attention?

-- GM is not creative and speaks out of both sides of his ass on a daily basis to the point i am not sure HE even knows what is truth or BS at this point. The evidence of this is just listen to the broadcasts they are so full of it at times from his crap that it's a joke at times.

This team still has 3 / 4 vets and at least one should be gone if a certain GM would have done his damn job -- I am speaking of Grant , Ant and Ayton / Williams
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Of which Grant is the only one with a bad contract. Simons isn't paid much and it's not a long term deal. Ayton and Williams are both ending next year...and this is the same GM who traded for a sweat-heart of a deal with Deni.

I could go on but I have made my point and if you cannot get this then I am done trying to talk sense into someone who has bought into the BIG LIE that Cronin and / or the ownership group ( joke that it is ) is pushing
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Yeah, the ownership group that invested in a g-league team, invested in improving the practice facility *and* the Moda...for a "joke" ownership, you need to look at teams like Dallas, or Sacramento, or many other franchises and their ownership groups.
BTW these are just the highlights that I can think of I am sure I am missing a couple things.

I am willing to debate a LOT of things but the incompetence of this coaching staff and front office outside of Mike Schmitz are not one cause it's so obvious Ray FUCKING Charles who is blind could see it . It ticks me off to NO end that fans who I do think are smart for the most part buy this line of shit .. hook - line and sinker and that pisses me off . --
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how's the view up there?
 
blazerkor said:
He didn't lose shit because I guarantee the difference between the price he bought the team for and the price he sold his majority share for eclipsed his now reported losses.

Also billionaires love businesses that they can claim as losses, it gives them certain loopholes to not pay taxes on other businesses they have that make the losses actually gains. It's all a big game and Cuban knows how to play it. If he would have wanted to make money year over year on the Mavs he would have.
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He bought the team for 285 million, and sold all but 27% of his stake for 3.5 billion. For him to not make money, he would have had to have lost over 130 million *a year*.

I think his 27% interest (if he still has it) is worth more than he *paid* for the team too.
 
blazerkor said:
He didn't lose shit because I guarantee the difference between the price he bought the team for and the price he sold his majority share for eclipsed his now reported losses.

Also billionaires love businesses that they can claim as losses, it gives them certain loopholes to not pay taxes on other businesses they have that make the losses actually gains. It's all a big game and Cuban knows how to play it. If he would have wanted to make money year over year on the Mavs he would have.
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Yeah, he bought the team in 2000 for 285 million. He sold for 3.5 billion 23 years later.
He could have lost 100 million dollars a year ever year he owned them, and STILL made almost a billion dollars profit. Boo fucking hoo.
 
RR7 said:
Yeah, he bought the team in 2000 for 285 million. He sold for 3.5 billion 23 years later.
He could have lost 100 million dollars a year ever year he owned them, and STILL made almost a billion dollars profit. Boo fucking hoo.
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And does the still own 49%?
 
julius said:
He bought the team for 285 million, and sold all but 27% of his stake for 3.5 billion. For him to not make money, he would have had to have lost over 130 million *a year*.

I think his 27% interest (if he still has it) is worth more than he *paid* for the team too.
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just running thru an interest calculator as if he would have plunked the 285M in relatively safe stock market investments with an annual return of 7%, he would have only had about 1.3-1.4B after 23 years. But that doesn't account for his remaining equity

if he still owns 27%, then the actual value of the Mavs is 4.8B; meaning he still has a 1.2-1.3B stake in the franchise. So his annual rate of return is around 13%

you also have to be real cynical about these rich fucks babbling about their losses. Buildings and facilities can depreciate in value over time. But quite often the depreciation schedules for property are actual shelters against taxation. Somebody can, on paper, 'lose' money because of depreciation losses, but they are actually pocketing tax-exempt cash flow, then declaring a loss on their books....even though they made money and bought a 3rd home; and a 2nd mistress, with the cash the IRS couldn't touch

there are other ways to pocket profit while legally losing money. Cuban could have paid 10M for a new scoreboard. Then use a 5 year depreciation schedule for the cost, losing 2M/year according to the ledger, pocketed 1.8M, and still be able to claim he lost money
 
julius said:
the same GM who targeted Toumani and Sharpe, same GM who traded for Deni, and same GM who got multiple unprotected picks for Damian...



you mean the guy who is scoring at a better clip than he did in his rookie and 2nd years? And actually has shown improvement in defense and paying attention?



Of which Grant is the only one with a bad contract. Simons isn't paid much and it's not a long term deal. Ayton and Williams are both ending next year...and this is the same GM who traded for a sweat-heart of a deal with Deni.



Yeah, the ownership group that invested in a g-league team, invested in improving the practice facility *and* the Moda...for a "joke" ownership, you need to look at teams like Dallas, or Sacramento, or many other franchises and their ownership groups.


how's the view up there?
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Our civilization is just not well these days...
 
julius said:
Honestly, it might have been smarter for the Blazers to have kept Drazen, and eventually moved Drexler to the SF spot, and go with Porter, Petro, Drexler, Buck and Duck, and then by the time Buck starts to peter out, Porter, Petro, Drexler, Cliffy and Duck.

And let's say they still signed Rod...Rod, Petro, Drexler, Cliffy and Duckworth is kinda good.

Probably would've prolonged Drexlers peak, and honestly, might have kept them at least somewhat competitive instead of those gawd awful boring post 93 teams.
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I've always said this. Kersey could've been our energy guy off the bench.

Same thing as why we didn't draft Jordan because we had Drex at the 2. Maybe Drexler, who played more like a SF than a SG IMHO, wouldn't move to the 3. :dunno:
 
wizenheimer said:
just running thru an interest calculator as if he would have plunked the 285M in relatively safe stock market investments with an annual return of 7%, he would have only had about 1.3-1.4B after 23 years. But that doesn't account for his remaining equity

if he still owns 27%, then the actual value of the Mavs is 4.8B; meaning he still has a 1.2-1.3B stake in the franchise. So his annual rate of return is around 13%

you also have to be real cynical about these rich fucks babbling about their losses. Buildings and facilities can depreciate in value over time. But quite often the depreciation schedules for property are actual shelters against taxation. Somebody can, on paper, 'lose' money because of depreciation losses, but they are actually pocketing tax-exempt cash flow, then declaring a loss on their books....even though they made money and bought a 3rd home; and a 2nd mistress, with the cash the IRS couldn't touch

there are other ways to pocket profit while legally losing money. Cuban could have paid 10M for a new scoreboard. Then use a 5 year depreciation schedule for the cost, losing 2M/year according to the ledger, pocketed 1.8M, and still be able to claim he lost money
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He made a decent move for himself imo. Equity firms will control much of pro sports in time, and yes he's still a fan and owner of a significant piece.
 
wizenheimer said:
just running thru an interest calculator as if he would have plunked the 285M in relatively safe stock market investments with an annual return of 7%, he would have only had about 1.3-1.4B after 23 years. But that doesn't account for his remaining equity

if he still owns 27%, then the actual value of the Mavs is 4.8B; meaning he still has a 1.2-1.3B stake in the franchise. So his annual rate of return is around 13%

you also have to be real cynical about these rich fucks babbling about their losses. Buildings and facilities can depreciate in value over time. But quite often the depreciation schedules for property are actual shelters against taxation. Somebody can, on paper, 'lose' money because of depreciation losses, but they are actually pocketing tax-exempt cash flow, then declaring a loss on their books....even though they made money and bought a 3rd home; and a 2nd mistress, with the cash the IRS couldn't touch

there are other ways to pocket profit while legally losing money. Cuban could have paid 10M for a new scoreboard. Then use a 5 year depreciation schedule for the cost, losing 2M/year according to the ledger, pocketed 1.8M, and still be able to claim he lost money
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Damn... Capitalism is a love story...
 
wizenheimer said:
just running thru an interest calculator as if he would have plunked the 285M in relatively safe stock market investments with an annual return of 7%, he would have only had about 1.3-1.4B after 23 years. But that doesn't account for his remaining equity

if he still owns 27%, then the actual value of the Mavs is 4.8B; meaning he still has a 1.2-1.3B stake in the franchise. So his annual rate of return is around 13%

you also have to be real cynical about these rich fucks babbling about their losses. Buildings and facilities can depreciate in value over time. But quite often the depreciation schedules for property are actual shelters against taxation. Somebody can, on paper, 'lose' money because of depreciation losses, but they are actually pocketing tax-exempt cash flow, then declaring a loss on their books....even though they made money and bought a 3rd home; and a 2nd mistress, with the cash the IRS couldn't touch

there are other ways to pocket profit while legally losing money. Cuban could have paid 10M for a new scoreboard. Then use a 5 year depreciation schedule for the cost, losing 2M/year according to the ledger, pocketed 1.8M, and still be able to claim he lost money
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The reason I'm poor is none of this shit made sense.
 
Kings lost....Mavs winning (not so fast!). Blazer play-in hopes fading

if Blazers lose to the Knicks tomorrow, because of tie-breakers, they'd be 5 games behind 10th seed with 7 games left. Not much light at the end of that tunnel. Portland would be smart to shut it down. But will they?
 
wizenheimer said:
Kings lost....Mavs winning (not so fast!). Blazer play-in hopes fading

if Blazers lose to the Knicks tomorrow, because of tie-breakers, they'd be 5 games behind 10th seed with 7 games left. Not much light at the end of that tunnel. Portland would be smart to shut it down. But will they?
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Portland being smart is always a tall order, but if you look at the injury report, there is a chance they are doing it
 
Mediocre Man said:
Portland being smart is always a tall order, but if you look at the injury report, there is a chance they are doing it
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being smart entails no more wins and getting the best odds in the lottery. we really should've tanked much earlier but here we are.
 
BigGameDamian said:
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Cuban might possibly have been the best owner in the business for quite some time. He was certainly the best owner the Mavs have ever had. Totally agree with his take here on this. Why anyone would try to blame him for the Luka trade is beyond me. More so than that, I can remember many many times reading on this board and others people wishing they had an owner as invested in the team as much as Cuban.
 
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dviss1 said:
Indirectly maybe. It's arguable that he should've never sold his share of the team. Let alone the horrible people he sold it to.
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He addressed that though and I can totally understand that as well. Protecting your family from the social hatred is a valid reason. I lived this at one point in my life. Obviously not on that level but I made the same decision.
 
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