OFFICIAL AROUND THE NBA MADNESS: MARCH 2025

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blazerkor said:
Okay, so I'm with you that Amen is the overall better player but Amen is an actual non shooter, Scoot is shooting really well... not lights out but his jumper is serviceable.

You can't say it's a fireable offense, then site a reality which is that Amen is playing better overall and then site a negative assessment going into the draft that was accurate about Amen and has already been proven inaccurate about Scoot.

You're all over the place on this, you're not making any sense and the most nonsensical thing is that Joe drafted the consensus pick at the time, everyone agrees that Amen is outperforming what the consensus thought but you still won't shut the fuck up about it.

The draft has passed, everyone thought Scoot and Miller were going right after Wemby... the whole fucking league had it wrong because Amen is looking like the most impactful player out of himself, Scoot and Miller and again you won't shut the fuck up about it. This shit happens, the draft isn't an exact science. There a whole lot of other reasons that seem to be more controllable to not like Joe for. Just stop spamming us all about this one. It's tired and no one disagrees with you, so why the fuck do you think you have to keep rehashing it??????!!!!!
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I'm not ready to say the pick was a mistake at all. I love Amen but I think Scoot has higher potential when it comes to someone who can be a priority on offense. I don't think Amen will ever be that but he's awesome anyway. Give Scoot a year of being the starter and we can assess from there.
 
blazerkor said:
Okay, so I'm with you that Amen is the overall better player but Amen is an actual non shooter, Scoot is shooting really well... not lights out but his jumper is serviceable.
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I'm not getting into Aldo's constant trolling about Scoot vs Amen

but the statement that Amen is a non shooter seems to be missing some important context

FG%: Amen .553....Scoot .423
2ptFG%: Amen .596....Scoot .468
3ptFG%: Amen .256....Scoot .361
eFG%: Amen .569....Scoot .499
FT%: Amen .693....Scoot .769
FT made/game: Amen 2.6....Scoot 2.4
TS%: Amen .600....Scoot .543
Pts/FGA: Amen 1.40....Scoot 1.23
FG% at Rim: Amen .757....Scoot .590

Amen averages 14.1 points on 10.0 shots; Scoot averages 12.8 points on 10.4 shots

per 100/possessions, Scoot averages 2.2 more points, but he needs 3.9 more shots to get there

for a non-shooter, Amen sure is out-performing Scoot in a lot of shooting metrics; by year 5 for both? who knows. But efficiency matters, and Amen is efficient

I tend to agree that Amen's perimeter shooting will probably set a lower ceiling on his trajectory. If he was shooting 35-37% on three's he'd be headed for all-NBA recognition; soon. He might get close even without improving his three point stroke because he is so dynamic in just about every other facet of the game
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm not getting into Aldo's constant trolling about Scoot vs Amen

but the statement that Amen is a non shooter seems to be missing some important context

FG%: Amen .553....Scoot .423
2ptFG%: Amen .596....Scoot .468
3ptFG%: Amen .256....Scoot .361
eFG%: Amen .569....Scoot .499
FT%: Amen .693....Scoot .769
FT made/game: Amen 2.6....Scoot 2.4
TS%: Amen .600....Scoot .543
Pts/FGA: Amen 1.40....Scoot 1.23
FG% at Rim: Amen .757....Scoot .590

Amen averages 14.1 points on 10.0 shots; Scoot averages 12.8 points on 10.4 shots

per 100/possessions, Scoot averages 2.2 more points, but he needs 3.9 more shots to get there

for a non-shooter, Amen sure is out-performing Scoot in a lot of shooting metrics; by year 5 for both? who knows. But efficiency matters, and Amen is efficient

I tend to agree that Amen's perimeter shooting will probably set a lower ceiling on his trajectory. If he was shooting 35-37% on three's he'd be headed for all-NBA recognition; soon. He might get close even without improving his three point stroke because he is so dynamic in just about every other facet of the game
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You've watched Amen right??? The dude gets his points at the hoop. He's a smart scorer and he benefits from good shooters he plays with but his shot is terrible... terrible. I'm just talking about his terrible jumper, not his overall ability to score.
 
wizenheimer said:
I'm not getting into Aldo's constant trolling about Scoot vs Amen

but the statement that Amen is a non shooter seems to be missing some important context

FG%: Amen .553....Scoot .423
2ptFG%: Amen .596....Scoot .468
3ptFG%: Amen .256....Scoot .361
eFG%: Amen .569....Scoot .499
FT%: Amen .693....Scoot .769
FT made/game: Amen 2.6....Scoot 2.4
TS%: Amen .600....Scoot .543
Pts/FGA: Amen 1.40....Scoot 1.23
FG% at Rim: Amen .757....Scoot .590

Amen averages 14.1 points on 10.0 shots; Scoot averages 12.8 points on 10.4 shots

per 100/possessions, Scoot averages 2.2 more points, but he needs 3.9 more shots to get there

for a non-shooter, Amen sure is out-performing Scoot in a lot of shooting metrics; by year 5 for both? who knows. But efficiency matters, and Amen is efficient

I tend to agree that Amen's perimeter shooting will probably set a lower ceiling on his trajectory. If he was shooting 35-37% on three's he'd be headed for all-NBA recognition; soon. He might get close even without improving his three point stroke because he is so dynamic in just about every other facet of the game
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If Amen's 3-point shooting were non-existent I think is a more likely outcome than "If he was shooting 35%."

in 2025 so far Amen is averaging per game 0.3 three-point buckets made on 25% shooting.

He has effectively given up on taking 3-pointers for now. That's one reason for his efficiency.

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In March, Amen is shooting Zero percent on 3-pointers on 1 attempt per game.

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AldoTrapani said:
For people to admit Cronin fucked up
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Went don't you do the same thing every time Jalen Williams has a good game? Or even Dyson Daniels? How about every time Yves Missi or Kelel Ware plays well? Why is this the one thing you can't get over? And why do you want everyone else to be as miserable as you are?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Went don't you do the same thing every time Jalen Williams has a good game? Or even Dyson Daniels? How about every time Yves Missi or Kelel Ware plays well? Why is this the one thing you can't get over? And why do you want everyone else to be as miserable as you are?
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I want a superstar dude. We almost had one with amen
 
AmirIcon said:
He's not a superstar.
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Yeah he is... he is averaging like 14 points per game, um... 8 rebounds, uh... almost 4 assists, well... he does get over a steal and a block per game. Oh your saying those are the numbers of a defensive stopper and not even a 3 and D guy. Well if that's not a superstar I don't know what is.
 
blazerkor said:
You've watched Amen right??? The dude gets his points at the hoop. He's a smart scorer and he benefits from good shooters he plays with but his shot is terrible... terrible. I'm just talking about his terrible jumper, not his overall ability to score.
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Amen's shooting chart:

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42% of Amen's shots are at the hoop; BUT, 40% are in the 3-16' range and he shoots around 47% in that range. He wouldn't be doing that with a terrible jump shot; can't shoot lay-ups from 10 feet. His shooting mechanics aren't exactly terrible; they aren't pretty either, and the outcomes just get worse the further he is from the basket

here's Scoot:

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While Amen takes around 82% of his shots within 16', Scoot takes 51% in that range. Amen is just a lot better in that range. And Scoot is a lot better outside of 16'

curious...here's Brandon Roy

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compare Roy's bottom line to Amen's bottom line. Roy was considered a master manipulator in the paint and at the rim. 53% of his shots were in that range. But Amen is quite a bit better at the rim and also better in the two zones out to 16'. Essentially, Amen is better inside of that 16' arc than was Brandon Roy. He's been scouted thoroughly; opposing teams and defenders know what he aims to do....and they haven't been able to stop him. If anything, his impact has been increasing against strong resistance

as I said in the earlier post, I think there is a ceiling on how good Amen can be because of his perimeter shot. But he will probably be perennial all-NBA Defense 1st team and do so while being better than Brandon Roy was in and around the paint. That's a pretty high ceiling to begin with
 

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wizenheimer said:
Amen's shooting chart:

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42% of Amen's shots are at the hoop; BUT, 40% are in the 3-16' range and he shoots around 47% in that range. He wouldn't be doing that with a terrible jump shot; can't shoot lay-ups from 10 feet. His shooting mechanics aren't exactly terrible; they aren't pretty either, and the outcomes just get worse the further he is from the basket

here's Scoot:

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While Amen takes around 82% of his shots within 16', Scoot takes 51% in that range. Amen is just a lot better in that range. And Scoot is a lot better outside of 16'

curious...here's Brandon Roy

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compare Roy's bottom line to Amen's bottom line. Roy was considered a master manipulator in the paint and at the rim. 53% of his shots were in that range. But Amen is quite a bit better at the rim and also better in the two zones out to 16'. Essentially, Amen is better inside of that 16' arc than was Brandon Roy. He's been scouted thoroughly; opposing teams and defenders know what he aims to do....and they haven't been able to stop him. If anything, his impact has been increasing against strong resistance

as I said in the earlier post, I think there is a ceiling on how good Amen can be because of his perimeter shot. But he will probably be perennial all-NBA Defense 1st team and do so while being better than Brandon Roy was in and around the paint. That's a pretty high ceiling to begin with
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Superstar
 
blazerfan11 said:
He has effectively given up on taking 3-pointers for now. That's one reason for his efficiency.
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but that cuts both ways doesn't it?

so....he doesn't shoot three's. Less than 20% of his shots are outside of 16'. He wants to get to the paint

opposing teams and defenders know what Amen wants to do; they have scouted him for nearly 2 years now. They know that baiting him into shooting from the perimeter doesn't really work. So, opponents are prepared to deny him the paint. They resist. And still, Amen gets into the paint and to the rim at a very high rate and when he gets there he's highly effective
 
blazerkor said:
Yeah he is... he is averaging like 14 points per game, um... 8 rebounds, uh... almost 4 assists, well... he does get over a steal and a block per game. Oh your saying those are the numbers of a defensive stopper and not even a 3 and D guy. Well if that's not a superstar I don't know what is.
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Those aren't the numbers of a superstar. I still think he's awesome.
 
The Women’s games have been better to watch so far this year. Men’s has had a couple good games but probably not as many as they usually do.
 
wizenheimer said:
Amen's shooting chart:

View attachment 72686

42% of Amen's shots are at the hoop; BUT, 40% are in the 3-16' range and he shoots around 47% in that range. He wouldn't be doing that with a terrible jump shot; can't shoot lay-ups from 10 feet. His shooting mechanics aren't exactly terrible; they aren't pretty either, and the outcomes just get worse the further he is from the basket

here's Scoot:

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While Amen takes around 82% of his shots within 16', Scoot takes 51% in that range. Amen is just a lot better in that range. And Scoot is a lot better outside of 16'

curious...here's Brandon Roy

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compare Roy's bottom line to Amen's bottom line. Roy was considered a master manipulator in the paint and at the rim. 53% of his shots were in that range. But Amen is quite a bit better at the rim and also better in the two zones out to 16'. Essentially, Amen is better inside of that 16' arc than was Brandon Roy. He's been scouted thoroughly; opposing teams and defenders know what he aims to do....and they haven't been able to stop him. If anything, his impact has been increasing against strong resistance

as I said in the earlier post, I think there is a ceiling on how good Amen can be because of his perimeter shot. But he will probably be perennial all-NBA Defense 1st team and do so while being better than Brandon Roy was in and around the paint. That's a pretty high ceiling to begin with
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Where does that stat say he’s shooting from 10’ let alone making them? 3-16’ can mean he’s only hitting from 3’.
 
AmirIcon said:
Those aren't the numbers of a superstar. I still think he's awesome.
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I was kidding around but yeah he's a lot of fun to watch. Both him and Scoot have a lot more time before they've reached a point where we know how good they'll be.
 
KingSpeed said:
Where does that stat say he’s shooting from 10’ let alone making them? 3-16’ can mean he’s only hitting from 3’.
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lol, really? maybe look in this thread...the 'stats' you're looking for I posted about 5 posts above. he's shooting 48.4% on shots in the 10-16 foot zone. His average shot distance is 7.7'
 
has anybody noticed what Josh Giddey has done in the months of Feb-March?

in 17 games, he's averaging 20.4 pts, 8.7 reb, 7.4 ast, while shooting 51% FG's and 47% on three's; a TS% around .635. He's had 4 triple-doubles. In his last game he had 15 pts. 10 reb, 17 ast, 8 stl, and only 2 trn

he'll be RFA this summer and has probably played himself into a max contract
 
You know Giannis is obviously a great athlete and he does things not many can do but I’m not sure he plays winning basketball all the time?
 
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