Official Around the NBA - March Edition!

[PtldPlatypus]

This is not silly...

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/laimbbi01.html
Laimbiers best season was 1985-86
16.6 PPG, 13.1 rebounds, 49% FG, 18 PER

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/gasolma01.html
Marc's best season is this season
18 ppg, 8 rebounds, 49% FG, 20 PER

Actually, Gasol's PER is 22, and he also puts up 3.7 assists and 1.7 blocks per game, fully double what Laimbeer did in either. Again, rebounds are the only category where Laimbeer had better numbers. Using only one category to say (in your words) that "Gasol doesn't even come close to Laimbeer statistically", and then ignoring all the rest where Gasol is superior, is absolutely (in my words) "silly".

 

[KingSpeed]

This is silly alright.

Marc Gasol isn't competing against Laimbeer or Robinson or any retired center for MVP of THIS SEASON.

I'm not making any argument, other than the arguments comparing Gasol to past winners and losers of the MVP award is irrelevant.

Compare him to the value of Westbrook and Harden and Lebron and Aldridge and anyone else in the running THIS SEASON.

Please.

Here are my MVP rankings at the moment:

1. LeBron
2. Teague
3. Aldridge
4. Lillard
5. Curry
6. Udrih
7. Duncan
8. Davis
9. Lowry
10. DeAndre Jordan

Honorable Mention: George Hill, Andre Drummond, Chris Paul, Jimmy Butler

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Aldridge can do no wrong. I never call him soft.

See, that clearly demonstrates the irrational nature of your arguments. However, we love you for you irrational-ness (not a word, I know), not in spite of it.

But surely if you were being objective, you would have to admit that if Gasol's rebounding figures make him soft now, then Aldridge's from two years ago which are even lower would have to mean the same thing.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Here are my MVP rankings at the moment:

1. LeBron
2. Teague
3. Aldridge
4. Lillard
5. Curry
6. Udrih
7. Duncan
8. Davis
9. Lowry
10. DeAndre Jordan

Honorable Mention: George Hill, Andre Drummond, Chris Paul, Jimmy Butler

Why is Teague ahead of Aldridge and Lillard but Curry isn't?

Oh, and you're joking about Udrih, right?

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

My personal list would be:

1. LeBron James
2. Steph Curry
3. James Harden
4. Marc Gasol
5. LaMarcus Aldridge
6. Russell Westbrook
7. Jimmy Butler
8. Jeff Teague
9. Kyrie Irving
10. Damian Lillard

 

[PtldPlatypus]

My personal list would be:

1. LeBron James
2. Steph Curry
3. James Harden
4. Marc Gasol
5. LaMarcus Aldridge
6. Russell Westbrook
7. Jimmy Butler
8. Jeff Teague
9. Kyrie Irving
10. Damian Lillard

Any list that omits Beno Udrih is clearly invalid.

 

[magnifier661]

Actually, Gasol's PER is 22, and he also puts up 3.7 assists and 1.7 blocks per game, fully double what Laimbeer did in either. Again, rebounds are the only category where Laimbeer had better numbers. Using only one category to say (in your words) that "Gasol doesn't even come close to Laimbeer statistically", and then ignoring all the rest where Gasol is superior, is absolutely (in my words) "silly".

No what's silly is to believe that gasol could win MVP, which was the entire concept of discussion. As I said for the third time. In the last 20 years, there have been 3 centers that won MVP, 4 if you want to include Duncan as a center. And of those 4 players, gasol' advanced and raw numbers are laughable compared to theirs.

End of discussion...

 

[PtldPlatypus]

No what's silly is to believe that gasol could win MVP, which was the entire concept of discussion. As I said for the third time. In the last 20 years, there have been 3 centers that won MVP, 4 if you want to include Duncan as a center. And of those 4 players, gasol' advanced and raw numbers are laughable compared to theirs.

End of discussion...

Except...that's not at all what I was discussing. I never made that claim, and your disagreement with that claim was not the source of my reply to you.

You really should learn how to keep your arguments straight.

 

[magnifier661]

Except...that's not at all what I was discussing. I never made that claim, and your disagreement with that claim was not the source of my reply to you.

You really should learn how to keep your arguments straight.

Nope, you were replying only to a portion of what I replied to the guy that thinks Gasol is a deserving MVP.

I guess cherry picking small sections of complete topics is part of your debating tactics, I replied to the entire response, you just replied to one.

Well at least you agree that the argument of Gasol being a deserving MVP being silly is a good start

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Nope, you were replying only to a portion of what I replied to the guy that thinks Gasol is a deserving MVP.

I guess cherry picking complete topics is part of your debating tactics, I replied to the entire response, you just replied to one.

Well at least you agree that the argument of Gasol being a deserving MVP being silly is a good start

It's not a debating tactic...it was the start of an entirely new debate. You made a claim; I dismantled your claim.

However, you should be aware that "cherry-picking" topics absolutely is a valid debating tactic. Any argument is only as valid as its components. If the individual components are compromised, the overall argument suffers and eventually crumbles. If your claim of Laimbeer's statistical superiority to Gasol is actually a component of your argument against Gasol as a legitimate MVP candidate, then it would absolutely be reasonable to attack and refute that claim.

Basically, the first rule of debate is "don't make a claim you're unwilling/unable to defend." Try as you might, you are absolutely unable to defend the claim that Gasol "doesn't even come close to Laimbeer statistically."

It's OK; you can admit that you were wrong. I won't judge you.

 

[magnifier661]

It's not a debating tactic...it was the start of an entirely new debate. You made a claim; I dismantled your claim.

However, you should be aware that "cherry-picking" topics absolutely is a valid debating tactic. Any argument is only as valid as its components. If the individual components are compromised, the overall argument suffers and eventually crumbles. If your claim of Laimbeer's statistical superiority to Gasol is actually a component of your argument against Gasol as a legitimate MVP candidate, then it would absolutely be reasonable to attack and refute that claim.

Basically, the first rule of debate is "don't make a claim you're unwilling/unable to defend." Try as you might, you are absolutely unable to defend the claim that Gasol "doesn't even come close to Laimbeer statistically."

It's OK; you can admit that you were wrong. I won't judge you.

I am wrong about Laimbeer, and you agree that gasol MVP is laughable.. Deal?!

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I am wrong about Laimbeer, and you agree that gasol MVP is laughable.. Deal?!

As compared to Curry, Harden, and LeBron, absolutely.

 

[magnifier661]

As compared to Curry, Harden, and LeBron, absolutely.

And Aldridge...

Or David Robinson, shaq or Hakeem even more so.

Looks like we can easily agree then!

 

[PtldPlatypus]

And Aldridge...

Or David Robinson, shaq or Hakeem even more so.

Looks like we can easily agree then!

IMO, prior seasons' MVP's statistics have no bearing on the current season's MVP race. Each season stands alone.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

And Aldridge...

Or David Robinson, shaq or Hakeem even more so.

Looks like we can easily agree then!

It's arguable that Gasol is more valuable to the Grizzlies than Aldridge is to the Blazers.

 

[Rhal]

It's arguable that Gasol is more valuable to the Grizzlies than Aldridge is to the Blazers.

Woah woah woah. Lets not get into that. We are a lottery team without LA. Id just go with Memphis without Gasol is just like us without LA

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Woah woah woah. Lets not get into that. We are a lottery team without LA. Id just go with Memphis without Gasol is just like us without LA

I think Memphis is even worse, we would be a 40-42 win team without LA but we have Dame still who is a legit top 15 player, besides Gasol who does Memphis have? Z-bo? Conley?

 

[Strenuus]

But when people are reasonable, it should. And when it doesn't, I'm perfectly willing to call him out on it. Mags has readily admitted error in similar situations; I'd like to thing KS should be able to do the same.

Unfortunately, they are independent events, it seems.

 

[Strenuus]

Just for giggles... here's Udrih's stats this year.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/u/udrihbe01/gamelog/2015/


Please, KS, indulge as to why we should take seriously the rest of your list, when this guy is included.

Real, logical reasons please.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Just for giggles... here's Udrih's stats this year.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/u/udrihbe01/gamelog/2015/


Please, KS, indulge as to why we should take seriously the rest of your list, when this guy is included.

Real, logical reasons please.

He's averaging 8/3/2 lol

 

[bulls_with_booz]

Udrih is a reliable playmaking PG.

 

[Strenuus]

Udrih is a reliable playmaking PG.

Worthy of being on a list with Curry, Lillard, and Teague? lol.

 

[bulls_with_booz]

Worthy of being on a list with Curry, Lillard, and Teague? lol.

u fuckin wut m8

i didn't know somebody in this thread was retarded

 

[Strenuus]

u fuckin wut m8

i didn't know somebody in this thread was retarded

Page 16. From Kingspeed. Enjoy.

 

[bulls_with_booz]

Here are my MVP rankings at the moment:

1. LeBron
2. Teague
3. Aldridge
4. Lillard
5. Curry
6. Udrih
7. Duncan
8. Davis
9. Lowry
10. DeAndre Jordan

Honorable Mention: George Hill, Andre Drummond, Chris Paul, Jimmy Butler

WHAT

GEORGE HILL MVP CANDITATE LOL

BENO LOL

LMA OVER CURRY LOL

LILLARD OVER CURRY LOL

i'm being out shitposted here smh

 

[Strenuus]

Houston can't miss...

When Memphis gets its D going, Houston will lose. I can feel it.

 

[KingSpeed]

See, that clearly demonstrates the irrational nature of your arguments. However, we love you for you irrational-ness (not a word, I know), not in spite of it.

But surely if you were being objective, you would have to admit that if Gasol's rebounding figures make him soft now, then Aldridge's from two years ago which are even lower would have to mean the same thing.

2 years ago, Aldridge grabbed 9.1 rebounds per game. Marc Gasol only averages 8.

 

[KingSpeed]

LeBron just badly missed two freethrows. What's going on?

 

[KingSpeed]

It's arguable that Gasol is more valuable to the Grizzlies than Aldridge is to the Blazers.

No it's not.

 

[KingSpeed]

I think Memphis is even worse, we would be a 40-42 win team without LA but we have Dame still who is a legit top 15 player, besides Gasol who does Memphis have? Z-bo? Conley?

Udrih