OFFICIAL AROUND THE NBA: MAY 2023

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The “second apron” that gets phased in over a couple of years is going to change the landscape of the league by severely punishing big spenders. It’s set at $17.5M above the LT:

“Penalties for exceeding the second apron include the loss of the mid-level exception, a ban on including cash as part of trades and the inability to accept more salary in a trade than the team sends out. A team in the second apron will also be unable to aggregate salary in trades and cannot trade its first-round pick seven years in the future (ie. its 2030 pick in 2023/24) or sign players on the buyout market.

Also, if a team exceeds the second apron and remains there in two of the four subsequent years, its frozen draft pick (the one that was initially seven years out) will get moved to the end of the first round, regardless of the team’s record in that season.”

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/04... that's,by the league's wealthiest franchises.
 
e_blazer said:
The “second apron” that gets phased in over a couple of years is going to change the landscape of the league by severely punishing big spenders. It’s set at $17.5M above the LT:

“Penalties for exceeding the second apron include the loss of the mid-level exception, a ban on including cash as part of trades and the inability to accept more salary in a trade than the team sends out. A team in the second apron will also be unable to aggregate salary in trades and cannot trade its first-round pick seven years in the future (ie. its 2030 pick in 2023/24) or sign players on the buyout market.

Also, if a team exceeds the second apron and remains there in two of the four subsequent years, its frozen draft pick (the one that was initially seven years out) will get moved to the end of the first round, regardless of the team’s record in that season.”

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/04/nba-to-phase-in-second-tax-apron.html#:~:text=The second tax apron that's,by the league's wealthiest franchises.
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I rank the significance of these penalties as:
  1. No MLE
  2. No salary aggregation in trades
  3. No increasing salary via trades
  4. No buyout market
  5. No cash in trades
  6. Frozen 7th-year FRP
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I rank the significance of these penalties as:
  1. No MLE
  2. No salary aggregation in trades
  3. No increasing salary via trades
  4. No buyout market
  5. No cash in trades
  6. Frozen 7th-year FRP
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How would #3 be possible. It's not likely that any trade could happen because one team would always have a little more salary coming in than going out.
 
e_blazer said:
The “second apron” that gets phased in over a couple of years is going to change the landscape of the league by severely punishing big spenders. It’s set at $17.5M above the LT:

“Penalties for exceeding the second apron include the loss of the mid-level exception, a ban on including cash as part of trades and the inability to accept more salary in a trade than the team sends out. A team in the second apron will also be unable to aggregate salary in trades and cannot trade its first-round pick seven years in the future (ie. its 2030 pick in 2023/24) or sign players on the buyout market.

Also, if a team exceeds the second apron and remains there in two of the four subsequent years, its frozen draft pick (the one that was initially seven years out) will get moved to the end of the first round, regardless of the team’s record in that season.”

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2023/04/nba-to-phase-in-second-tax-apron.html#:~:text=The second tax apron that's,by the league's wealthiest franchises.
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ok...I don't really agree it will have some giant impact. I may be wrong, but...

if the projection of the salary cap of 134M next year is correct, that would make the luxury tax line about 164M. Call it 162.5M to make some easy math. So, 17.5M above sets the 2nd apron at 180M. If it would have been in effect his season, the 2nd apron would have been around 168M

so then, this season, 7 teams would have been above the 168M 2nd apron:

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and next season, 2 teams are scheduled to be above the 2nd apron of 180M:

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obviously, the Clippers and Warriors are the big sinners

* the Clippers would have had easy solutions: letting Covington walk last summer and not adding Eric Gordon. They didn't have to trade for Plumlee's 9M salary either. (and maybe they would have been real reluctant to trade for Powell 15 months ago). And they have the easy out next season as Gordon's salary is not guaranteed
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* Milwaukee would have a problem with their big-3:

Giannis Antetokounmpo $42,492,492
Khris Middleton $37,948,276
Jrue Holiday $33,665,040
Brook Lopez $13,906,976
Bobby Portis $10,843,350
Jae Crowder $10,183,800
Grayson Allen $8,500,000
Joe Ingles $6,479,000

the 'bloat' is in Middleton and Holiday so they may have had to cut one loose in some fashion. They did have some margin in Crowder and Ingles because neither really did that much for the Bucks
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* the Warriors are the team most impacted because they are actually paying 4 big contracts this year, and will be paying 5 next season:

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the easy-out for them though is to bite the bullet next season, suffer the restrictions of being over the 2nd apron, then letting Draymond walk in July, 2024.
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I actually don't think this will restrict teams from hogging stars. I think it will impact the high level role players. Guys like Anfernee Simons (25M/year), Norm Powell (18M/year), CJ (33M/year), Michael Porter Jr (36M/year), Aaron Gordon (2oM/year), D'Angelo Russell (30M/year), John Collins (25M/year), Tyler Herro (30M/year), Deandre Ayton (33M/year)...those are the kinds of players that will likely get squeezed in contract negotiations. Those are the types of player that will be looked at as excess salary and unnecessary luxuries; not the elite players and perennial all-stars. Those guys will still get paid

of course, every time I think the NBA has finally enforced some discipline on their front offices in terms of payroll excess, the teams find ways around the restrictions and still spend like drunken sailors
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
How would #3 be possible. It's not likely that any trade could happen because one team would always have a little more salary coming in than going out.
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The team above this second luxury tax apron penalty could not add any salary via trade. They could obviously send out more salary via trade but could not accept any additional salary back. So they would either have to match incoming salaries exactly (very hard to do) or send out less. They would no longer get to use the 125% +100k rule, for them it would be equal or lower salaries coming back in any trade. I would assume this would also cancel out any TPEs for teams in this designation.
 
one other impact of this 2nd apron MAY be increasing the value of draft picks. Rookie scale contracts are cheap and give teams 4 years of maneuverability. And, rookie extensions will have max annual salaries 10-20M lower than veteran max salaries.
 
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I think overall we will see players salaries stagnate a bit. Some players might even decide to take a little less to stay on with a team.
I mean look at Steph in 25-26. He's going to make $60 million for one year. Some players that's their entire 4 year contract.
You have to admit these guys are making an insane amount of money. Got to figure the owners are as well.
 
wizenheimer said:
I don't know why the Blazers would sign Brooks. I mean, they already have Bird Rights to a better defender and 'better shooter' in Thybulle, and he doesn't come with the baggage that Brooks does. I don't think a team can fit more than one player like these guys who are nearly invisible on offense can't spread a defense with shooting or passing
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Can Brooks be signed for much cheaper? Will Thybulle agree to resign at a reasonable rate? Will Thybulle contract be better used in a sign and trade for a starter?

We don't know a lot of what will take place in the summer, so while its a good point you bring up, I'd still look into signing Brooks. If it becomes certain the depth chart won't have room for Brooks then maybe the Blazers shouldn't sign him even for the minimum; I just find that unlikely.
 
Dame would not be happy about signing Brooks.
 
WesleyMatthews said:
Can Brooks be signed for much cheaper? Will Thybulle agree to resign at a reasonable rate? Will Thybulle contract be better used in a sign and trade for a starter?

We don't know a lot of what will take place in the summer, so while its a good point you bring up, I'd still look into signing Brooks. If it becomes certain the depth chart won't have room for Brooks then maybe the Blazers shouldn't sign him even for the minimum; I just find that unlikely.
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Thybulle could only be used in a trade around the deadline because he has to be re-signed... I don't think a role player like him has any value in a S&T situation. I do agree that if it's at the vets min and the coaching staff and players would be cool with it that Brooks would be a good pick up. I imagine that is the sentiment around most of the league, I think what might stop that from happening is him being able to get a lot more in Japan or wherever else. Like you said there is a ton of uncertainty with our team right now so it's wait and see on everything.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'm just going to say this straight out:

If you support adding Draymond, you should not have any problem adding Brooks.

They're cut from the same cloth.
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Oh no they are not. One of them is a smart winning player at the highest levels whose emotions often (too often?) get the better of him.

The other is an idiot.
 
andalusian said:
Oh no they are not. One of them is a smart winning player at the highest levels whose emotions often (too often?) get the better of him.

The other is an idiot.
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I would disagree.

Sheed is a guy who had an issue with his emotions getting the best of him.

Draymond intentionally tries to hurt people. Sheed never would have done that. Draymond getting suspended for games 100% falls into the "idiot" category.
 
I will add that if Brooks wasn't a mediocre player, people wouldn't have an issue with his antics.

The problem is that he IS a mediocre player.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I would disagree.

Sheed is a guy who had an issue with his emotions getting the best of him.

Draymond intentionally tries to hurt people. Sheed never would have done that. Draymond getting suspended for games 100% falls into the "idiot" category.
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I do not believe that one bit. I think he (Draymond) got really heated up when his leg was caught and his emotions took over, stupid to do that, but I have seen him trying to wrap people and ensure they do not fall when he fouls them as well. Brooks on the other hand...

I would also say that while Sheed had issues with his emotions, I do not think he ever cared as much as Draymond does, which is probably why when his emotions did get away from him it was mostly verbal stupidity that he did.

But, some people believe Draymond is a dirty player and they are entitled to this opinion. I do not share it. I think he is a smart player that is really very deeply emotionally invested in the games and sometimes goes way over the line when it gets the best of him. His punishments are absolutely deserved when he crosses these lines, but I do not think he is dirty first and foremost, where Brooks is, imho.
 
andalusian said:
I do not believe that one bit. I think he (Draymond) got really heated up when his leg was caught and his emotions took over, stupid to do that, but I have seen him trying to wrap people and ensure they do not fall when he fouls them as well. Brooks on the other hand...

I would also say that while Sheed had issues with his emotions, I do not think he ever cared as much as Draymond does, which is probably why when his emotions did get away from him it was mostly verbal stupidity that he did.

But, some people believe Draymond is a dirty player and they are entitled to this opinion. I do not share it. I think he is a smart player that is really very deeply emotionally invested in the games and sometimes goes way over the line when it gets the best of him. His punishments are absolutely deserved when he crosses these lines, but I do not think he is dirty first and foremost, where Brooks is, imho.
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I guess that's your prerogative but he has a loooooong history of dirty plays.



 
The Rockets have an obvious plan for anyone paying attention.
Why would they hire a head coach with so much baggage?
Udoka won in Boston with a veteran roster. The Rockets are a bunch of kids.
It makes no sense.
Unless, they’re cooking up something big.
(After the intro, skip ahead to 3:10 to bypass the ad.)

But why? Are they rushing it? Why not just keep sucking to get really high draft picks?
Because, they actually can’t build through the draft. Back in 2019, they made one of the dumbest trades of all time. The Rockets dealt Chris Paul and picks to get Russell Westbrook. That means they still owe control of the next three drafts to OKC.
Those picks are top 4 protected. But they could easily lose a bunch of games, but then fall out of the top 4. And all of that was for nothing. Why not just try to win now?

 
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blazerfan11 said:
The Rockets have an obvious plan for anyone paying attention.
Why would they hire a head coach with so much baggage?
Udoka won in Boston with a veteran roster. The Rockets are a bunch of kids.
It makes no sense.
Unless, they’re cooking up something big.
(After the intro, skip ahead to 3:10 to bypass the ad.)

But why? Are they rushing it? Why not just keep sucking to get really high draft picks?
Because, they actually can’t build through the draft. Back in 2019, they made one of the dumbest trades of all time. The Rockets dealt Chris Paul and picks to get Russell Westbrook. That means they still owe control of the next three drafts to OKC.
Those picks are top 4 protected. But they could easily lose a bunch of games, but then fall out of the top 4. And all of that was for nothing. Why not just try to win now?

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So, you're telling me that if the Rockets don't get Wemby, they are going to go into 'win now' mode and trade for Dame?

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Don’t want Dray or Brooks, both would be disastrous on a bottom feeder team.
 
Looks like the Raptors are going to let Gary Trent Jr walk...that didn't last long.
 
The Suns' owner is a fucking joke. He won't let Jokic have the ball? What a piece of shit. Now I really really really want PHX out of the playoffs in 5 games. Fuck the Suns and Durant. Will be so hilarious to see them eliminated.
 
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