Exclusive Official Around the NBA: November 2022

[SharpesTriumph]

Thunder are getting good. SGA is a legit superstar. Giddey and Dort unique complements. Bazley and JRE are a good young pair of forwards with range. And next year they get to add Chet to the mix. And all those dudes are under 25.

Future's bright in OKC.

Plus they have a huge chest of picks to either get more elite youth or eventually trade for all-star(s).

They are a great model of how to do a proper rebuild. It's easy to forget CP3 was there only a few years ago in 2020 when they went to the bubble playoffs. 2 years of missed playoffs and they already have an exciting core.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

A couple of great games by Giddey recently.

18/15/6 The sideline out of bounds pass is amazing!


24/10/12 Only two players in league history have recorded triple doubles in each of their first two games at MSG: Josh Giddey, and Wilt Chamberlain.

ALMOST makes up for Ben Simmons...

 

[SharpesTriumph]

ALMOST makes up for Ben Simmons...

Huh? I don't see how Simmons relates to Giddey.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

talk about some leverage:

2023 first round draft pick from L.A. Clippers (swap, Oklahoma City outgoing)
Oklahoma City has the right to swap its 2023 1st round pick for the L.A. Clippers' 2023 1st round pick [L.A. Clippers-Oklahoma City, 7/10/2019]

2023 second round draft pick from Dallas or Miami (more favorable)
Oklahoma City will receive the more favorable of Dallas' 2023 2nd round pick and Miami's 2023 2nd round pick; Boston will receive the more favorable of (i) Houston's 2023 2nd round pick protected for selections 31-32 and (ii) the less favorable of the Dallas pick and the Miami pick and Indiana will receive the least favorable of the three; if the Houston pick falls within its protected range, then Houston's obligation to Boston will be extinguished and Boston will instead receive the less favorable of the Dallas pick and the Miami pick and Indiana will instead receive the Houston pick; Oklahoma City may convey the pick it receives to Denver or Charlotte (see Oklahoma City Outgoing) and Boston may convey the pick it receives to Indiana (see Boston Outgoing) (via Miami to Dallas; via Memphis' right to swap Dallas or Miami for Houston) [Dallas-Miami, 7/7/2017; Dallas-Memphis, 7/8/2019; Houston-Memphis, 2/6/2020; Boston-Memphis-Portland, 11/20/2020; Dallas-Detroit-Oklahoma City, 11/27/2020; Brooklyn-Cleveland-Houston-Indiana, 1/16/2021]

2023 second round draft pick from Washington
Washington's 2023 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City; Oklahoma City may convey this pick to Denver or Charlotte (see Oklahoma City Outgoing) (via New Orleans) [New Orleans-Washington, 2/7/2019; Denver-Milwaukee-New Orleans-Oklahoma City, 11/23/2020]

2024 first round draft pick from Houston
Houston's 2024 1st round pick to Oklahoma City protected for selections 1-4; if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Houston will instead convey its 2024 2nd round pick and 2025 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/16/2019]

2024 first round draft pick from L.A. Clippers
L.A. Clippers' 2024 1st round pick to Oklahoma City [L.A. Clippers-Oklahoma City, 7/10/2019]

2024 first round draft pick from Utah
Utah's 1st round pick to Oklahoma City protected for selections 1-10 in 2024, 1-10 in 2025 and 1-8 in 2026 (if Utah has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Oklahoma City by 2026, then Utah's obligation to Oklahoma City will be extinguished) [Oklahoma City-Utah, 7/30/2021; Oklahoma City-Utah, 1/4/2022]

2024 second round draft pick from Charlotte or Minnesota (less favorable)
Portland will receive the more favorable of Charlotte's 2024 2nd round pick and Minnesota's 2024 2nd round pick and Oklahoma City will receive the less favorable of the two (via Charlotte to New Orleans to Oklahoma City; via Minnesota to Oklahoma City to Denver to Portland) [Charlotte-New Orleans, 11/19/2020; Minnesota-New York-Oklahoma City, 11/20/2020; Denver-Milwaukee-New Orleans-Oklahoma City, 11/23/2020; Denver-Oklahoma City, 6/23/2022; Denver-Portland, 7/6/2022]

2025 first round draft pick from Houston or L.A. Clippers (swap, Oklahoma City outgoing to Houston, L.A. Clippers or Brooklyn)
Oklahoma City has the right to swap its 2025 1st round pick for Houston's 2025 1st round pick protected for selections 1-10 or the L.A. Clippers' 2025 1st round pick; Houston then has the right to swap its pick or the Oklahoma City pick for Brooklyn's 2025 1st round pick; if the Houston pick falls within its protected range, then Houston's obligation to Oklahoma City will be extinguished and Houston will instead receive the more favorable of its pick and the Brooklyn pick and Brooklyn will receive the less favorable of the two [L.A. Clippers-Oklahoma City, 7/10/2019; Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/16/2019; Brooklyn-Cleveland-Houston-Indiana, 1/16/2021]

2025 first round draft pick from Miami
Miami's 1st round pick to Oklahoma City protected for selections 1-14 in 2025 and unprotected in 2026 (via L.A. Clippers) [L.A. Clippers-Miami, 7/6/2019; L.A. Clippers-Oklahoma City, 7/10/2019; Miami-Oklahoma City, 2/9/2022]

2025 first round draft pick from Philadelphia
Philadelphia's 1st round pick to Oklahoma City protected for selections 1-6 in 2025, 1-4 in 2026 and 1-4 in 2027; if Philadelphia has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Oklahoma City by 2027, then Philadelphia will instead convey its 2027 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Philadelphia-Oklahoma City, 12/8/2020]

2025 second round draft pick from Atlanta
Atlanta's 2025 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City protected for selections 31-40 (if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Atlanta's obligation to Oklahoma City will be extinguished) [Atlanta-Oklahoma City, 11/24/2020; Atlanta-Oklahoma City, 9/27/2022 (partial removal of protection)]

2025 second round draft pick from Boston or Memphis (more favorable)
Oklahoma City will receive the more favorable of Boston's 2025 2nd round pick and Memphis' 2025 2nd round pick and Orlando will receive the less favorable of the two (via Memphis to Boston to Orlando) [Boston-Memphis-Portland, 11/20/2020; Boston-Orlando, 3/25/2021; Boston-Oklahoma City, 6/18/2021]

2025 second round draft pick from Philadelphia
Philadelphia's 2025 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [New York-Oklahoma City-Philadelphia, 3/25/2021]

2026 first round draft pick from Houston
Houston's 2026 1st round pick to Oklahoma City protected for selections 1-4; if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Houston will instead convey its 2026 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/16/2019]

2026 first round draft pick from L.A. Clippers
L.A. Clippers' 2026 1st round pick to Oklahoma City [L.A. Clippers-Oklahoma City, 7/10/2019]

2026 second round draft pick from Dallas or Philadelphia (most favorable of these and Oklahoma City, Oklahoma City outgoing to Miami or Houston)
Oklahoma City will receive the most favorable of its 2026 2nd round pick, Dallas' 2026 2nd round pick and Philadelphia's 2026 2nd round pick and Houston will receive the second most favorable and Miami will receive the least favorable of the three (via Oklahoma City) [Dallas-Detroit-Oklahoma City, 11/27/2020; New York-Oklahoma City-Philadelphia, 3/25/2021; Miami-Oklahoma City, 2/9/2022; Houston-Oklahoma City, 9/30/2022]

2027 first round draft pick from Denver
At least two years after Denver conveys a 1st round pick to Orlando, Denver's 1st round pick to Oklahoma City protected for selections 1-5 in 2027, 1-5 in 2028 and 1-5 in 2029; if Denver has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Oklahoma City by 2029, then Denver will instead convey its 2029 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Denver-Oklahoma City, 6/23/2022]

2027 second round draft picks from Houston, Indiana and/or Miami (three most favorable of these and Oklahoma City, Oklahoma City outgoing to San Antonio)
Oklahoma City will receive the three most favorable of its 2027 2nd round pick, Houston's 2027 2nd round pick, Indiana's 2027 2nd round pick and Miami's 2027 2nd round pick and San Antonio will receive the least favorable of the four (via Houston to Detroit to Oklahoma City; via Utah to San Antonio) [Detroit-Houston, 11/24/2020; Detroit-Oklahoma City, 3/13/2021; Indiana-Oklahoma City, 11/25/2020; Miami-Oklahoma City, 3/17/2021; Oklahoma City-Utah, 7/30/2021; Portland-San Antonio-Utah, 2/9/2022]

2028 second round draft pick from Utah
Utah's 2028 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Oklahoma City-Utah, 7/30/2021; Oklahoma City-Utah, 1/4/2022]

2029 second round draft pick from Atlanta
Atlanta's 2029 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Atlanta-Oklahoma City, 9/27/2022]

Copying your list without the second rounders

2023 first round draft pick from L.A. Clippers (swap, Oklahoma City outgoing)
Oklahoma City has the right to swap its 2023 1st round pick for the L.A. Clippers' 2023 1st round pick [L.A. Clippers-Oklahoma City, 7/10/2019]

2024 first round draft pick from Houston
Houston's 2024 1st round pick to Oklahoma City protected for selections 1-4; if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Houston will instead convey its 2024 2nd round pick and 2025 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/16/2019]

2024 first round draft pick from L.A. Clippers
L.A. Clippers' 2024 1st round pick to Oklahoma City [L.A. Clippers-Oklahoma City, 7/10/2019]

2024 first round draft pick from Utah
Utah's 1st round pick to Oklahoma City protected for selections 1-10 in 2024, 1-10 in 2025 and 1-8 in 2026 (if Utah has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Oklahoma City by 2026, then Utah's obligation to Oklahoma City will be extinguished) [Oklahoma City-Utah, 7/30/2021; Oklahoma City-Utah, 1/4/2022]

2025 first round draft pick from Houston or L.A. Clippers (swap, Oklahoma City outgoing to Houston, L.A. Clippers or Brooklyn)
Oklahoma City has the right to swap its 2025 1st round pick for Houston's 2025 1st round pick protected for selections 1-10 or the L.A. Clippers' 2025 1st round pick; Houston then has the right to swap its pick or the Oklahoma City pick for Brooklyn's 2025 1st round pick; if the Houston pick falls within its protected range, then Houston's obligation to Oklahoma City will be extinguished and Houston will instead receive the more favorable of its pick and the Brooklyn pick and Brooklyn will receive the less favorable of the two [L.A. Clippers-Oklahoma City, 7/10/2019; Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/16/2019; Brooklyn-Cleveland-Houston-Indiana, 1/16/2021]

2025 first round draft pick from Miami
Miami's 1st round pick to Oklahoma City protected for selections 1-14 in 2025 and unprotected in 2026 (via L.A. Clippers) [L.A. Clippers-Miami, 7/6/2019; L.A. Clippers-Oklahoma City, 7/10/2019; Miami-Oklahoma City, 2/9/2022]

2025 first round draft pick from Philadelphia
Philadelphia's 1st round pick to Oklahoma City protected for selections 1-6 in 2025, 1-4 in 2026 and 1-4 in 2027; if Philadelphia has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Oklahoma City by 2027, then Philadelphia will instead convey its 2027 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Philadelphia-Oklahoma City, 12/8/2020]

2026 first round draft pick from Houston
Houston's 2026 1st round pick to Oklahoma City protected for selections 1-4; if this pick falls within its protected range and is therefore not conveyed, then Houston will instead convey its 2026 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Houston-Oklahoma City, 7/16/2019]

2026 first round draft pick from L.A. Clippers
L.A. Clippers' 2026 1st round pick to Oklahoma City [L.A. Clippers-Oklahoma City, 7/10/2019]

2027 first round draft pick from Denver
At least two years after Denver conveys a 1st round pick to Orlando, Denver's 1st round pick to Oklahoma City protected for selections 1-5 in 2027, 1-5 in 2028 and 1-5 in 2029; if Denver has not conveyed a 1st round pick to Oklahoma City by 2029, then Denver will instead convey its 2029 2nd round pick to Oklahoma City [Denver-Oklahoma City, 6/23/2022]

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Ok trying to figure out what this is, I believe (please correct if someone has better list) Thunder have first round picks with these protections;

2023 Swap LAC unprotected
2024 HOU (top4)
2024 LAC unprotected
2024 UTH (top10)
2025 MIA (top14)
2025 PHI (top6)
2025 Swap LAC unprotected (or HOU top10 protected)
2026 HOU (top4)
2026 LAC unprotected
2027 DEN (top5)

So thats 8 picks, plus their own 7, plus two unprotected swaps. They could legit use all their picks and trade for likely ~three? stars plus keep their rookie core plus SGA.

 

[HailBlazers]

Huh? I don't see how Simmons relates to Giddey.

Australians.

 

[wizenheimer]

? I'm not following that math? You jut said he shot 11-20. That is over 50% from the field and that doesn't count his FT's. I'd take 11-20 shooting from my PF every night.

for a traditional PF, 55% FG shooting is OK. For somebody, as Zion does, who takes 94% of his shots within 10' of the basket and 58% at the rim, 55% isn't that good. Of course, his career FG% is 60% so 11-20 wasn't his average

but Zion has a career 50% FT rate; 46% this season. That's damn good. Now, from what I saw in the Pels game the officials are really giving him the benefit of the doubt way too much. They are letting him play like Shaq inside, using his mass to clear defender, but calling fouls like he's Curry or Derozan

 

[SharpesTriumph]

for a traditional PF, 55% FG shooting is OK. For somebody, as Zion does, who takes 94% of his shots within 10' of the basket and 58% at the rim, 55% isn't that good. Of course, his career FG% is 60% so 11-20 wasn't his average

but Zion has a career 50% FT rate; 46% this season. That's damn good. Now, from what I saw in the Pels game the officials are really giving him the benefit of the doubt way too much. They are letting him play like Shaq inside, using his mass to clear defender, but calling fouls like he's Curry or Derozan

You can't just look at those percentages without looking at other metrics such as usage rate. A center who shoots only a few shots a game might need to shoot much higher than 60% at the rim to be effective, because he's likely getting a bunch of easy opportunities. That center isn't able to add more attempts at the same efficiency.

Zion is taking a bunch of difficult contested shots, or creating opportunities when nothing else is available in the offense. As you say he is also getting to the line a lot.

Zion has measured as an outstanding to elite offensive player in many statistics as well as the eye test. He does have some big areas for improvement though; I'd say mostly defensively. Probably more critical than either of those is if there is anything he can do to stay healthy.

 

[Pinwheel1]

He does have some big areas for improvement though; I'd say mostly defensively.

Yeah, Grant looked like Allen Iverson against Zion with that one crossover.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

You can't just look at those percentages without looking at other metrics such as usage rate. A center who shoots only a few shots a game might need to shoot much higher than 60% at the rim to be effective, because he's likely getting a bunch of easy opportunities. That center isn't able to add more attempts at the same efficiency.

Zion is taking a bunch of difficult contested shots, or creating opportunities when nothing else is available in the offense. As you say he is also getting to the line a lot.

Zion has measured as an outstanding to elite offensive player in many statistics as well as the eye test. He does have some big areas for improvement though; I'd say mostly defensively. Probably more critical than either of those is if there is anything he can do to stay healthy.

Yeah. The way I’m understanding the conversation is CJ should be using Zion better and should probably get him more shots and better shots if at all possible instead of taking the lions share of the shots that team is getting.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Yeah, Grant looked like Allen Iverson against Zion with that one crossover.

So he carried the ball?

 

[PDXFonz]

Embiids statline was insane. Close to a quadruple double with 61 points.

 

[THE HCP]

Huh? I don't see how Simmons relates to Giddey.

They are both from that Prison Island!

 

[THE HCP]

for a traditional PF, 55% FG shooting is OK. For somebody, as Zion does, who takes 94% of his shots within 10' of the basket and 58% at the rim, 55% isn't that good. Of course, his career FG% is 60% so 11-20 wasn't his average

but Zion has a career 50% FT rate; 46% this season. That's damn good. Now, from what I saw in the Pels game the officials are really giving him the benefit of the doubt way too much. They are letting him play like Shaq inside, using his mass to clear defender, but calling fouls like he's Curry or Derozan

I’d take him as our starting PF.

 

[wizenheimer]

I’d take him as our starting PF.

LOL...did you interpret my post as me saying I wouldn't?

 

[THE HCP]

LOL...did you interpret my post as the opposite of that sentiment?

Bro I didn’t read your post. Too many numbers and too much math. I grew up playing with NBA players at the park…The next time I look at stats will be the first time. I use the eye test if a player is good or not FAMS. Respect you guys who dig deep into the analytics, that ain’t @THE HCP ’s game.

 

[wizenheimer]

Bro I didn’t read your post. Too many numbers and too much math. I grew up playing with NBA players at the park…The next time I look at stats will be the first time. I use the eye test if a player is good or not FAMS. Respect you guys who dig deep into the analytics, that ain’t @THE HCP ’s game.

so you didn't read a post of about 50 words because it was too long and contained numbers, but just thought you'd drop in to say you'd take Zion as Portland's PF. Why would you do that?

by the way, I'd take Jayson Tatum as Portland's starting SF

 

[Cugel]

Funny thing is Zion came into the league shooting 3s, and not badly either. He could easily add that back to his game just to infuriate opponents if nothing else.

 

[Terkish]

I'd take Wilt in his prime as our starting C.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Huh? I don't see how Simmons relates to Giddey.

Hint: @DUB stands for Down Under Blazer.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[handiman]

Pippen finally gets revenge for The Last Dance. Hmm, maybe it doesn't work that way... Who's whose daddy now?

 

[Propagandist]

Feels strangely incestual.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Taking the set-up man role a little too far.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Well she certainly has a type.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Quatro44]

If they get married, is she still a basketball wife?

 

[THE HCP]

so you didn't read a post of about 50 words because it was too long and contained numbers, but just thought you'd drop in to say you'd take Zion as Portland's PF. Why would you do that?

by the way, I'd take Jayson Tatum as Portland's starting SF

In a heartbeat.

 

[OneSport3]

Geez, SGA has started the season with violence. Is it for real or as Kenny Smith would say, is he a looter in a riot?

 

[KSF-ERIC]

Suns lost. And the Hawks are punking the Bucks again. Next week’s Blazers/Bucks game could be for the best record in the league.