OFFICIAL Around The NBA Thread...... August

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TorturedBlazerFan said:
Stupid story but I’m about a 85-90% ft shooter, unless my dads around and I’m like a 60% shooter. It doesn’t matter if there’s a crowd or whatever I have always been a good ft shooter, he shows up and it’s like my brain goes crazy I start thinking about my form and I become a wreck... don’t know how this is applicable... lol
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I guess we know who's been torturing you :)
 
Sarni said:
They’ve done a very good job post Paul George though, it has to be said. They have managed to turn Oladipo into an All Star and acquired some nice talent at good deals (McDermott nonsense aside). I actually reckon they got a shot at making conference finals next season.
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Lol over Houston?
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Stupid story but I’m about a 85-90% ft shooter, unless my dads around and I’m like a 60% shooter. It doesn’t matter if there’s a crowd or whatever I have always been a good ft shooter, he shows up and it’s like my brain goes crazy I start thinking about my form and I become a wreck... don’t know how this is applicable... lol
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Shit.... Guess I won't be so hard on mine then!
 
dviss1 said:
Shit.... Guess I won't be so hard on mine then!
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Man I don’t know what it is, it’s the craziest thing. It really messes with me. At this point I think of my dad as one of my best friends, though at times even at
33 he still has to step out and give me the dad advice, but playing basketball around him I become a real head case. It goes beyond ft’s but that’s where it’s the worst because at the ft line things slow down.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I think shooting mechanics are important but sheesh if you can’t hit a ft screw the ego do whatever it takes to get it in the basket.
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Ever see films of Don Nelson shooting FTs? IIRC he had a decent career %, but his form was baboon-butt-ugly! He used a one-handed shot-put style.
 
I know it's still not good but DeAndre Jordan got his FT% up to 58% last year which was by far his career high. Andre Drummond went from 38.6% to 60.5% which I think deserved a lot more attention than it got last year. That is a truly remarkable improvement.

I think these guys think that they are so good that they will just start falling eventually.
 
hoopsjock said:
I know it's still not good but DeAndre Jordan got his FT% up to 58% last year which was by far his career high. Andre Drummond went from 38.6% to 60.5% which I think deserved a lot more attention than it got last year. That is a truly remarkable improvement.

I think these guys think that they are so good that they will just start falling eventually.
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The Drummond stat is pretty incredible. Both because that’s a heck of a jump and 2nd because it’s sad you can raise your ft% by 22 points and still be basically a bad ft shooter...
 
You know the Pistons have never finished better than 8th in the east that last ten years?
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I did not like him as a coach when he was here but other wise he seems like a good guy and I was absolutely shocked that he did such a good job last year with Indy.
He deserves the extension.
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I did not like Nate as a coach when he was in Portland, but I've met him, and it's awfully hard not to like and respect the guy on a personal level.

Keeping in mind I have not paid any attention to Nate's coaching since he left the Blazers, it seems reasonable to assume he's learned some things over the years and is probably a better coach today than he was then.

:cheers:
 
Boob-No-More said:
Agreed. A lot of atrocious FT shooters should have at least tried the underhanded form. Evidently shooting underhanded is even more humiliating than missing over half your FTs. Shooting "granny style" is considered less masculine than shooting FTs worse than an 8-year old.

BNM
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In my mind, a 50% free throw shooter NOT learning and trying out the underhand technique shows a LACK of self confidence and masculinity. A confident man would step up to the line, own it, and make shooting underhanded free throws cool.

Hell, it's so unusual these days, with probably going on two generations who have never even seen a person do it, some sponsor could frame an entire advertising campaign around it. The possibilities are limitless. It would be a gold mine for the first big name player to pitch this to an advertiser. Kids would be doing it all over the place.

I'm going to expect a commission for this idea.

:cheers:
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Stupid story but I’m about a 85-90% ft shooter, unless my dads around and I’m like a 60% shooter. It doesn’t matter if there’s a crowd or whatever I have always been a good ft shooter, he shows up and it’s like my brain goes crazy I start thinking about my form and I become a wreck... don’t know how this is applicable... lol
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There's a cool podcast I listened to the other day all about chocking. People start thinking about the mechanics too much. The easiest remedy was singing a song you know to shut down that other part of the brain. If you want to fuck with someone, say, "You made that shot look so smooth! What were you doing with you elbow?"
 
Eastoff said:
There's a cool podcast I listened to the other day all about chocking. People start thinking about the mechanics too much. The easiest remedy was singing a song you know to shut down that other part of the brain. If you want to fuck with someone, say, "You made that shot look so smooth! What were you doing with you elbow?"
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The old golfer's trick. (As opponent to getting ready to his his tee shot), "Man, you've been hitting some really great tee shots today. Do you inhale or exhale on your back swing?"

BNM
 
Teams w/same GM last 5 years & seasons finished over 500 in last 10 years
Detroit - Bower 5 yrs - 1/10
SA-Buford - 17 yrs - 10/10
NO - Demps - 9 yrs - 4/10
Mia - Elsburg - 6 yrs - 8/10
Chi - Forman - 10 yrs - 6/10
Wa - Grunfeld - 16 yrs - 5/10
Uta - Lindsey - 7 yrs - 9/10
Phx - McDonough - 6 yrs - 3/10
Hou - Morey - 12 yrs - 9/10
GS - Meyers - 7 yrs - 6/10
Dal - Nelson - 17 yrs - 6/10
OkC - Presti - 12 yrs - 9/10
Tor - Ujiri - 6 yrs - 5/10
Mem - Wallace - 12 yrs - 7/10
LAC - Wohl - 5 yrs - 6/10
PDX - Olshey - 6 yrs - 7/10

Seven out of 16 teams with GM's in place for 5 years have finished over 500 for 7/10 years. 4 o teams have won Championships, 2 of them multi times.
 
BBert said:
In my mind, a 50% free throw shooter NOT learning and trying out the underhand technique shows a LACK of self confidence and masculinity. A confident man would step up to the line, own it, and make shooting underhanded free throws cool.

Hell, it's so unusual these days, with probably going on two generations who have never even seen a person do it, some sponsor could frame an entire advertising campaign around it. The possibilities are limitless. It would be a gold mine for the first big name player to pitch this to an advertiser. Kids would be doing it all over the place.

I'm going to expect a commission for this idea.

:cheers:
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My parents had me later in life. My dad would be almost 102 if he were still alive. He was a big time basketball player back in his day (late 1930s, early 1940s). He won all kinds of medals and trophies. I remember seeing them tucked away in his den closet when I was a kid. He played at a time when you needed a dominant center to win - and he was a dominant center. Back then you had a jump ball at center court after every made field goal. If you had a dominant center, it was pretty much like playing make-it-take-it. Huge advantage to the team with the best big man.

He shot his free throws underhanded. Everybody did back then. I've always been a good FT shooter (never below 80%, often pushing 90%), but when I was in high school and my dad was in his 60s, he could still beat me in a FT shooting contest with his underhanded, granny style. He had such a gentle touch and he was so relaxed at the line. He would just gently loft it up at the basket with a ton of backspin. He swished quite a few, but the ones that didn't go straight through would just seem to sit on the rim before falling through.

He was also a big Wilt Chamberlain fan back in the 60s when he introduced me to basketball as a kid. I was only 7 at the time, but I remember the season Wilt led the league in assists. My dad said Wilt was tired of being seen as a selfish scorer and a poor teammate. So, he said, I'll prove the doubters wrong and lead the league in assists. And, he did.

His biggest beef with Wilt was his FT shooting. Wilt tried other things to improve his FT shooting ( pull up jump shots from the FT line, shooting from 2 feet behind the line, when he said he was going to start dunking his FTs, they changed the rule so the shooter couldn't corr the line until the ball hit the rim), but his most successful season was 1961-62, when he shot granny style and was a career best 61% from the line. Not great, but better than the low to mid-40% range typical for his career. Why did Wilt abandon the underhanded style after his best season at the line? It made him "feel like a sissy".

Rick Barry, on the other hand, didn't give a fuck what anyone else thought (about anything) and used the underhanded style his entire career. He shot a combined .893 FT% between the ABA (.880) and NBA (.900). That's good for 1st in ABA career FT% and 4th in NBA career FT%. Barry was the career leader in FT% for both leagues at the time of his retirement (a distinction he held for over 20 years before Mark Price eclipsed his NBA career FT% mark). All of it underhanded. Barry was a notorious asshole, but you do have to admire a guy who says fuck it, I'm doing it my way no matter what anyone else thinks. No one since Barry has had the balls to do it.

Good article on the subject here:

https://www.si.com/nba/2016/06/30/m...berlain-rick-barry-nba-free-throw-granny-shot

BNM
 
BBert said:
Hell, it's so unusual these days, with probably going on two generations who have never even seen a person do it, some sponsor could frame an entire advertising campaign around it.
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If Larry Johnson had been a bad FT shooter, he would have been a natural choice. Marketable and ready-made persona... Grandma Ma shooting granny style free throws, brought to you by Joann's Fabrics and Fixodent!
 
Boob-No-More said:
My parents had me later in life. My dad would be almost 102 if he were still alive. He was a big time basketball player back in his day (late 1930s, early 1940s). He won all kinds of medals and trophies. I remember seeing them tucked away in his den closet when I was a kid. He played at a time when you needed a dominant center to win - and he was a dominant center. Back then you had a jump ball at center court after every made field goal. If you had a dominant center, it was pretty much like playing make-it-take-it. Huge advantage to the team with the best big man.

He shot his free throws underhanded. Everybody did back then. I've always been a good FT shooter (never below 80%, often pushing 90%), but when I was in high school and my dad was in his 60s, he could still beat me in a FT shooting contest with his underhanded, granny style. He had such a gentle touch and he was so relaxed at the line. He would just gently loft it up at the basket with a ton of backspin. He swished quite a few, but the ones that didn't go straight through would just seem to sit on the rim before falling through.

He was also a big Wilt Chamberlain fan back in the 60s when he introduced me to basketball as a kid. I was only 7 at the time, but I remember the season Wilt led the league in assists. My dad said Wilt was tired of being seen as a selfish scorer and a poor teammate. So, he said, I'll prove the doubters wrong and lead the league in assists. And, he did.

His biggest beef with Wilt was his FT shooting. Wilt tried other things to improve his FT shooting ( pull up jump shots from the FT line, shooting from 2 feet behind the line, when he said he was going to start dunking his FTs, they changed the rule so the shooter couldn't corr the line until the ball hit the rim), but his most successful season was 1961-62, when he shot granny style and was a career best 61% from the line. Not great, but better than the low to mid-40% range typical for his career. Why did Wilt abandon the underhanded style after his best season at the line? It made him "feel like a sissy".

Rick Barry, on the other hand, didn't give a fuck what anyone else thought (about anything) and used the underhanded style his entire career. He shot a combined .893 FT% between the ABA (.880) and NBA (.900). That's good for 1st in ABA career FT% and 4th in NBA career FT%. Barry was the career leader in FT% for both leagues at the time of his retirement (a distinction he held for over 20 years before Mark Price eclipsed his NBA career FT% mark). All of it underhanded. Barry was a notorious asshole, but you do have to admire a guy who says fuck it, I'm doing it my way no matter what anyone else thinks. No one since Barry has had the balls to do it.

Good article on the subject here:

https://www.si.com/nba/2016/06/30/m...berlain-rick-barry-nba-free-throw-granny-shot

BNM
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