OFFICIAL Around The NBA Thread...... August

[riverman]

the lacing tabs are not likely to fail.

well you certainly seem to trust them...as I've stated...Nike's are overpriced and substandard in quality to my view...and I buy shoes that fit ...really value proper fit. I have an unusual shoe size and very narrow heel so it takes some looking to find that fit. I'm done with Nike shoes for the reasons I've stated and my preference is for no lacing tabs at all. Reeboks did the same thing with their shoes as well....very light, didn't last. I played a lot of tennis on hard courts and put shoes through the tests ….sure it was in the past but adidas made the better shoe ...more durable in my view. choices....as to modern sports...sure seem to see more and more shoes blow out during games than I remember in the past as well....I'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[dviss1]

Collins is never going to average 14 points a game. You heard it here first. Never ever ever.

Disclaimer: that's just a guess based on the laws of basketball reality.

I'm not sure what basketball reality you're living in.

One of the simple equations in The Theory Of Basketball Relativity clearly shows that:

Solid Screens + Gravity = Open Shots.

If Zach sets solid screens, the gravity our shooters have will negatively affect the defense, equaling open shots for Zach.

Conversely:

Aggressive Box Outs + Fearlessness + Determination = Offensive Rebounds.

And everyone knows:

Offensive rebounds = More possessions

And the side effect of More possessions is More fouls and More free throws.

All of which = More shots for Zach.

I think he could get 10+ per game.

 

[BonesJones]

Collins is never going to average 14 points a game. You heard it here first. Never ever ever.

Disclaimer: that's just a guess based on the laws of basketball reality.

Your silly opinion isn't reality.

If Robin Lopez can average 14pts per 36 for a career, I think Zach could average 14ppg for a season.

Dude has offensive potential. He's still 20 years old. Ruling him out from being able to score 14ppg is ridiculous.

 

[dviss1]

Your silly opinion isn't reality.

If Robin Lopez can average 14pts per 36 for a career, I think Zach could average 14ppg for a season.

Dude has offensive potential. He's still 20 years old. Ruling him out from being able to score 14ppg is rediculous.

One word for Zach:

Strength.

The stronger he gets, the stronger he'll play.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Pine word for Zach:

Strength.

The stronger he gets, the stronger he'll play.

Also I hope Stotts and NO are on the same page about playing him inside more. His best offensive moves all came in the post. I know everyone is in love with 3’s and he may hit those occasionally, I think his true offensive potential comes from those quick feet he’s got around the basket, he has good footwork.

I’m also a big fan of trying to get guys easy looks around the basket to get them in a rhythm before having them shoot jumpers.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Collins is never going to average 14 points a game. You heard it here first. Never ever ever.

Disclaimer: that's just a guess based on the laws of basketball reality.

I guess we'll see. Andrea Bargnani averaged 14.3 ppg over a 10-year NBA career. So, anything is possible.

BNM

 

[Propagandist]

Your silly opinion isn't reality.

If Robin Lopez can average 14pts per 36 for a career, I think Zach could average 14ppg for a season.

Dude has offensive potential. He's still 20 years old. Ruling him out from being able to score 14ppg is ridiculous.

So is saying "based on the laws of basketball reality." lol

 

[Propagandist]

I'm not sure what basketball reality you're living in.

One of the simple equations in The Theory Of Basketball Relativity clearly shows that:

Solid Screens + Gravity = Open Shots.

If Zach sets solid screens, the gravity our shooters have will negatively affect the defense, equaling open shots for Zach.

Conversely:

Aggressive Box Outs + Fearlessness + Determination = Offensive Rebounds.

And everyone knows:

Offensive rebounds = More possessions

And the side effect of More possessions is More fouls and More free throws.

All of which = More shots for Zach.

I think he could get 10+ per game.

Lol. I was just fucking around. That being said, Zach looks pretty lost on offense. For all this lauding of his footwork (on offense), he just looks plodding and ground bound. I'm hoping for the best. He sure isn't shy about shooting...but any 14 a game stuff is few years off.

Hell, Nurk averaged 14 per last season; it ain't easy.

 

[Propagandist]

Your silly opinion isn't reality.

If Robin Lopez can average 14pts per 36 for a career, I think Zach could average 14ppg for a season.

Speaking of silly. 14ppg per 36?!? Answer me this: is per 36 reality? No, wait, I'll answer: it isn't; it's theoretical.

 

[BonesJones]

Speaking of silly. 14ppg per 36?!? Answer me this: is per 36 reality? No, wait, I'll answer: it isn't; it's theoretical.

Do you not think Zach Collins can be a slightly better offensive player than Robin freakin' Lopez?

 

[Mediocre Man]

Lol. I was just fucking around. That being said, Zach looks pretty lost on offense. For all this lauding of his footwork (on offense), he just looks plodding and ground bound. I'm hoping for the best. He sure isn't shy about shooting...but any 14 a game stuff is few years off.

Hell, Nurk averaged 14 per last season; it ain't easy.

You can't fuck around on here any longer. You used to be able to, but now you just get attacked immediately and get called a victim if you say anything back

 

[Mediocre Man]

Do you not think Zach Collins cam be a slightly better offensive player than Robin freakin' Lopez?

As 20 year old rookies Lopez shot better from 2 pts % and at the FT line. Lopez is not a 3 or shooter.

You hope the 10th pick in a loaded draft will be a shit ton better offensive player than Robin freakin' Lopez, but why would some be expected to think that now?

 

[Eastoff]

You can't fuck around on here any longer. You used to be able to, but now you just get attacked immediately and get called a victim if you say anything back

The NBA is changing because of the warriors. So too does the S2 game change.

 

[Propagandist]

Do you not think Zach Collins cam be a slightly better offensive player than Robin freakin' Lopez?

Yeah, of course. At least more versatile. (I was just teasing about using the per 36 in this case.) ALTHOUGH, I can't see him making a huge leap this season in efficiency. An efficient 14 was the original discussion and while I joke, it does seem crazy presumptuous to think that a guy that often looks lost on offense and shot 40% from the field and 31% from 3 is going to be efficient any time soon.

 

[e_blazer]

Yeah, of course. At least more versatile. (I was just teasing about using the per 36 in this case.) ALTHOUGH, I can't see him making a huge leap this season in efficiency. An efficient 14 was the original discussion and while I joke, it does seem crazy presumptuous to think that a guy that often looks lost on offense and shot 40% from the field and 31% from 3 is going to be efficient any time soon.

So a guy who still can't buy a beer, played one year of college ball, and was being asked to play the 4 spot when all he's played before was 5, looked a little lost on the offensive end in his first year in the NBA? Surprising.

 

[Hoopguru]

Yeah, of course. At least more versatile. (I was just teasing about using the per 36 in this case.) ALTHOUGH, I can't see him making a huge leap this season in efficiency. An efficient 14 was the original discussion and while I joke, it does seem crazy presumptuous to think that a guy that often looks lost on offense and shot 40% from the field and 31% from 3 is going to be efficient any time soon.

It will take a few years for Collins to develop an impactful offensive game. I see him being a 12-15 ppg, 10-12 boards, 2-3 bspg. His signature will be his rim protection.

Dirks, rookie year he shot / FG .405%/3pt .206%
He made the big leap his second year.

 

[Propagandist]

So a guy who still can't buy a beer, played one year of college ball, and was being asked to play the 4 spot when all he's played before was 5, looked a little lost on the offensive end in his first year in the NBA? Surprising.

For the love of shit. This here is an out-of-context interpretation of the conversation, Donnie!

 

[Mediocre Man]

The NBA is changing because of the warriors. So too does the S2 game change.

Yep. Both for the worse

 

[Propagandist]

It will take a few years for Collins to develop an impactful offensive game. I see him being a 12-15 ppg, 10-12 boards, 2-3 bspg. His signature will be his rim protection.

Dirks, rookie year he shot / FG .405%/3pt .206%
He made the big leap his second year.

I shouldn't've waded into this.......

Dirk?!? You can't compare the two, man. Right now he's like Spencer Hawes or something. Or not even.

And I'm sure the offense will come, with bulk, and time. But the point is: we are fucked. We need production and he's not ready. At least that's my point.

 

[Hoopguru]

I shouldn't've waded into this.......

Dirk?!? You can't compare the two, man. Right now he's like Spencer Hawes or something. Or not even.

And I'm sure the offense will come, with bulk, and time. But the point is: we are fucked. We need production and he's not ready. At least that's my point.

I was only bringing Dirk as his 1st year at 20mpg stats sucked. I don't they are are the same type of players at all, Dirk want known as a defensive much at all, where I think that Collins future.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Your silly opinion isn't reality.

If Robin Lopez can average 14pts per 36 for a career, I think Zach could average 14ppg for a season.

Dude has offensive potential. He's still 20 years old. Ruling him out from being able to score 14ppg is ridiculous.

I think it's very possible that Collins won't manage that, but still be a good pick. I see him ending up as our Nick Collison. Did Collison ever do that? What about Steven Adams? Or Joakim Noah? All very solid players. Collins is a very good defensive player, and that makes him extra valuable to a team that has two sub-standard defenders as its best two players.

Does he look like a natural on the offensive end? I don't see it:

 

[Chris Craig]

Lol. I was just fucking around. That being said, Zach looks pretty lost on offense. For all this lauding of his footwork (on offense), he just looks plodding and ground bound. I'm hoping for the best. He sure isn't shy about shooting...but any 14 a game stuff is few years off.

Hell, Nurk averaged 14 per last season; it ain't easy.

I'll give you this. It is not easy for a big man, especially off the bench to average 14 points, especially on a team where most of the offense comes through the guards.

Collins is going to be good. Better than Lopez.

You can't fuck around on here any longer. You used to be able to, but now you just get attacked immediately and get called a victim if you say anything back

I fuck around on here all the time. When its funny its funny when its not its not.

 

[Boob-No-More]

You can't fuck around on here any longer. You used to be able to, but now you just get attacked immediately and get called a victim if you say anything back

Wow, you just played the victim card about being called a victim. Man, you're good at that. I guess practice really does makes perfect.

No one attacked him - not once. His opinion and his post were both challenged, but the closest anyone came to "attacking" him was calling his opinion silly - and even he admitted he was "fucking around" (a.k.a. being silly).

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

Yeah, of course. At least more versatile. (I was just teasing about using the per 36 in this case.) ALTHOUGH, I can't see him making a huge leap this season in efficiency. An efficient 14 was the original discussion and while I joke, it does seem crazy presumptuous to think that a guy that often looks lost on offense and shot 40% from the field and 31% from 3 is going to be efficient any time soon.

Yeah, that was my post. I didn't mean to imply he'd be an efficient 14 ppg scorer this year, or even next. I meant that's what I see as his eventual ceiling for this team in this system.

I do expect significant improvement with an increased role, increased PT and increased confidence, but he's still going to struggle to achieve any kind of consistency offensively this season.

I'm fine with that. We're not catching GSW this year (no one is). So, use it to develop guys like Collins and Nurk (and even Baldwin and Trent Jr.).

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

I think it's very possible that Collins won't manage that, but still be a good pick. I see him ending up as our Nick Collison. Did Collison ever do that? What about Steven Adams? Or Joakim Noah? All very solid players. Collins is a very good defensive player, and that makes him extra valuable to a team that has two sub-standard defenders as its best two players.

Does he look like a natural on the offensive end? I don't see it:

Collison has never even averaged double digits. Noah topped out at 12.6ppg. Adams came really close last year, his 5th season in the league and 4th as a full time starter, at 13.9 ppg. Adams is also a good defender, but not a great shot blocker. OKC thought he was valuable enough to give him a $100 million contract after his 3rd season when he averaged 8.0 ppg, 6.7 rpg and 1.1 bpg as a full time starter. I could see Collins putting up those kind of numbers (possibly better) during his third season.

BNM

 

[Orion Bailey]

Every time I click on this thread I want to ask, who the hell cant spell official... then my memory comes back.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[THE HCP]

You can't fuck around on here any longer. You used to be able to, but now you just get attacked immediately and get called a victim if you say anything back

You ain’t bullshittin. Watch, let’s test it out. Right now I’m at PDX waiting for my flight......let’s see if those cats freak out at me again for this.......

 

[THE HCP]

Wait for it.......

 

[THE HCP]

Wait...for....it.....