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PCmor7 said:
KD and the Nets. PG13.

I kind of like some of the Jazz, but I always can root against Joe Ingles.
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Ahh yes, I forgot about the Nets (don't ask cuz I don't know why). I guess you can call them villains after Kyrie was talking about uniting the world or some shit.
 
This was......inevitable. I have a feeling that he wants to play with the Knicks since there have been reports that he and RJ discussed teaming up together.

 
Scalma said:
How much is Gobert making again man just disappears late in games.
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You get that $200 million payday there is nothing to play for anymore.
 
Dom McBlazer said:
This was......inevitable. I have a feeling that he wants to play with the Knicks since there have been reports that he and RJ discussed teaming up together.

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Randle back to the Pels?
 
Dom McBlazer said:
Ahh yes, I forgot about the Nets (don't ask cuz I don't know why). I guess you can call them villains after Kyrie was talking about flattening the world or some shit.
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FTFY
 
Much ado about nothing. Multiple reports have said people around dame are trying to push him out as well.
 
B-Roy said:
Between Philly, Milwaukee, and New York one of these teams has to convince themselves that CJ is better than the shot creation options that are currently on their rosters, right?
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CJ: TS% .553....assisted FG rate 40-45%....assist rate 17.5% (21% last 2 seasons)....33M/year for 3 years

Tobias Harris: TS% .565....assisted FG rate 45-55%%....assist rate 11.5% (16% 2 seasons)....38M/year for 3 years

Ben Simmons: TS% .579....assisted FG rate 45%....assist rate 34.5%....35M/year for 4 years

Khris Middleton: TS% .572....assisted FG rate 45%....assist rate 17.6% (22% last 3 seasons)....37.5M/year for 3
years

obviously, kind of a crude way to gauge it statistically, but it does drive home that CJ's 'shot creation' ability isn't really any better than Harris or Middleton, not for himself and not as a facilitator. He might have a little better PG skills than Harris, but not Middleton. Simmons is kind of an impossible comp. He has skills far above CJ's, but he has that giant major flaw in his game, and perimeter shooting isn't getting less important each year

what those numbers don't show is size or defense. CJ is way behind the others in those areas

I don't see any reason why Philly would trade Harris for CJ, or the Bucks would trade Middleton for CJ. In both cases, the teams would be losing a lot more than they are gaining. And I have a hard time seeing the 76ers willing to trade 3-time-all-star and two-time all-NBA-1st-team defender Simmons for CJ. I think those are all pipe-dreams

now obviously, if Portland is adding attractive assets to the package, that might make a difference

Blazers might have a better shot at landing Jrue Holiday than Middleton in a one-for-one trade, and even that shot seems kind of remote

I think Blazer fans are working really hard to convince themselves that some other team will see CJ as the missing piece (when he hasn't been in Portland) and be willing to pay him 2nd option money. Aiming at targets that are too high. Need to lower the scope and adjust the sights
 
Didn't realize Zion was such a diva.

For months, sources from all NBA corners have pointed to the Pelicans as a heap of dysfunction. There was a growing unease between Van Gundy and his players, and Van Gundy and the New Orleans front office, which came to a head Wednesday with the veteran coach and organization agreeing to part ways with three years left on his contract. Most of the attention, however, from numerous sources across the league, has centered on Williamson’s family members’ thinly veiled unhappiness with the Pelicans, and whether those feelings seeped into the player’s own views.

At his end of season press conference, his frustrations were made evident. “It’s disappointing. I’d be lying to you if I said anything else,” Williamson said, when addressing the team’s performance this year. “It’s very disappointing. But the best thing we can do is regroup, come together as a team, come together as coaches this offseason, talk and do what we need to do to be better next year. It’s not much to it, we just gotta be better.”

The Pelicans control Williamson’s contract situation for at least three more years after making him the No. 1 overall pick of the 2019 draft. Those who know Williamson well say he just wants to win and compete at the highest level. They say he remains focused on basketball and helping New Orleans win next season. Over his first two seasons, Williamson has already established himself as an All-Star forward whose affable, carefree and passionate style on the court makes him a fan-favorite. A franchise that three seasons ago had to deal with Anthony Davis’ trade demands, which began with grumblings from Davis’ father, the Pelicans know not to misread the tea leaves here. No one as young and as inexperienced as Williamson has tried to force their way out via trade before. Across the league, however, it has become common practice among veteran NBA stars to do just that.

During the training camp portion of the NBA’s season restart at Disney last season, Williamson was dealing with a minor leg injury, to the point where it had forced him out of portions of Pelicans practice. Shortly after that, he left the bubble for what both the team and player would only say was an “urgent family medical matter.” Neither the team nor family ever disclosed what the issue was. Two sources with knowledge of Zion’s absence said there was an issue, but questioned the urgency to leave the bubble, which kept him away from the team for about a week.

The Pels made changes to their support staff to fit Williamson’s wishes over the offseason, and he returned in much better physical condition. But for most of this season, certain Williamson family members voiced displeasure with the organization. Among the targets of their criticism was Van Gundy, who they felt was too rigid and demanding as head coach, but also with the organization, which they claim did not live up to what they felt should be the standard for a star like Williamson. Numerous opposing league executives had heard the complaints, and they were confirmed by Pelicans officials.

When the Pels traded J.J. Redick to Dallas in March, it not only upset Redick but also is said to have irritated Williamson. Redick had asked to either be traded before the season or to stay in New Orleans all season for family reasons and proceeded to blast the organization and executive vice president of basketball operations David Griffin on his podcast after the trade. Redick was a veteran with whom Williamson had grown comfortable in their two seasons together, and the dysfunction Redick accused the Pelicans of harboring is said to have stoked some of Williamson’s own feelings with regards to the direction of the franchise.
 
Dom McBlazer said:
This was......inevitable. I have a feeling that he wants to play with the Knicks since there have been reports that he and RJ discussed teaming up together.

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he can't even sign an extension till next summer. He wouldn't be RFA for 2 years. Not sure what he can do about it right now. The Pels have some leverage here
 
Scalma said:
I’m so ready for a new wave of players that aren’t absolute softies. Win with the team that drafted you if you’re as valuable as you think you are.
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You’ll be waiting a long time. Players have more leverage now than ever and it’s only going to get worse.
 
If we do trade Dame, the centerpiece I'm looking at is Jaylen Brown. He has a chance to actually be a number 1 in the playoffs. None of the other names are even worth starting a conversation.
 
illmatic99 said:
Didn't realize Zion was such a diva.

For months, sources from all NBA corners have pointed to the Pelicans as a heap of dysfunction. There was a growing unease between Van Gundy and his players, and Van Gundy and the New Orleans front office, which came to a head Wednesday with the veteran coach and organization agreeing to part ways with three years left on his contract. Most of the attention, however, from numerous sources across the league, has centered on Williamson’s family members’ thinly veiled unhappiness with the Pelicans, and whether those feelings seeped into the player’s own views.

At his end of season press conference, his frustrations were made evident. “It’s disappointing. I’d be lying to you if I said anything else,” Williamson said, when addressing the team’s performance this year. “It’s very disappointing. But the best thing we can do is regroup, come together as a team, come together as coaches this offseason, talk and do what we need to do to be better next year. It’s not much to it, we just gotta be better.”

The Pelicans control Williamson’s contract situation for at least three more years after making him the No. 1 overall pick of the 2019 draft. Those who know Williamson well say he just wants to win and compete at the highest level. They say he remains focused on basketball and helping New Orleans win next season. Over his first two seasons, Williamson has already established himself as an All-Star forward whose affable, carefree and passionate style on the court makes him a fan-favorite. A franchise that three seasons ago had to deal with Anthony Davis’ trade demands, which began with grumblings from Davis’ father, the Pelicans know not to misread the tea leaves here. No one as young and as inexperienced as Williamson has tried to force their way out via trade before. Across the league, however, it has become common practice among veteran NBA stars to do just that.

During the training camp portion of the NBA’s season restart at Disney last season, Williamson was dealing with a minor leg injury, to the point where it had forced him out of portions of Pelicans practice. Shortly after that, he left the bubble for what both the team and player would only say was an “urgent family medical matter.” Neither the team nor family ever disclosed what the issue was. Two sources with knowledge of Zion’s absence said there was an issue, but questioned the urgency to leave the bubble, which kept him away from the team for about a week.

The Pels made changes to their support staff to fit Williamson’s wishes over the offseason, and he returned in much better physical condition. But for most of this season, certain Williamson family members voiced displeasure with the organization. Among the targets of their criticism was Van Gundy, who they felt was too rigid and demanding as head coach, but also with the organization, which they claim did not live up to what they felt should be the standard for a star like Williamson. Numerous opposing league executives had heard the complaints, and they were confirmed by Pelicans officials.

When the Pels traded J.J. Redick to Dallas in March, it not only upset Redick but also is said to have irritated Williamson. Redick had asked to either be traded before the season or to stay in New Orleans all season for family reasons and proceeded to blast the organization and executive vice president of basketball operations David Griffin on his podcast after the trade. Redick was a veteran with whom Williamson had grown comfortable in their two seasons together, and the dysfunction Redick accused the Pelicans of harboring is said to have stoked some of Williamson’s own feelings with regards to the direction of the franchise.
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Yeah but the Pelicans job is better than Portland LOL
 
JoshuaHall said:
Yeah but the Pelicans job is better than Portland LOL
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2 all stars < age 24, a ton of picks incoming, no pressure to do anything more than just make the playoffs still trumps anything appealing about portalnd (which at this point is just dame, that too with similar external pressures to leave).

zion's family can gripe about anything they want but he still showed up every day and was by all accounts coachable. And i will eat my shoe if a max level player takes a qualifying offer to force his way out after his rookie scale.

So keep LOLing all you want, but you're still wrong.
 
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