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she seems to tick all the actual skill boxes, but seems to not tick any of the bonus boxes that social media and various minority groups champion.

she's done a lot for women's basketball and apparently nowhere near enough for some parts of the social landscape she isnt a part of.

i enjoy watching her play, but all the backlash post the splash shouldnt be a huge shock to anyone considering everything in recent memory.

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PtldPlatypus said:
Her whole career? She's only been popular for a couple years. In 2020, nobody knew who she was; Paige Bueckers was the golden child. Clark surpassed her (and Reese) because of her talent, not because of people putting her on a pedestal.
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Implying hs and College. Im sure she was a star athlete while in HS even Jr HS.
 
Boomchakalaka2 said:
Agree to disagree - some of the hits she has taken should have lead to suspensions.
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That's what happens when you flop all the time. Officials have to decide if it's a real hit or not, and they miss it a lot. And since you flop all the time they won't give the hard hits the serious attention they might deserve. And other players naturally hit floppers harder. Because if they're going to get called anyway they might as well get their due.

I have no respect for that crap.

She's a good enough player that she shouldn't need all the dramatic overacting.
 
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JFizzleRaider said:
What's up with all the Clark hate? America really is a place full of haters.
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What's up with all the love?

I don't care either way, except that she is so constantly celebrated in the media, but that so many people care about a woman who hasn't won much of anything since high school (assuming she won then?) is weird. I wonder if people will keep buying tickets if her team keeps losing and she keeps shooting under 40%.
 
She is marketable not just for being straight and white. Middle America, moderately pretty but not drop dead gorgeous or overly sexy or flamboyant, smart enough to get a degree but not so brilliant she intimidates. Polite, well behaved, avoids controversy. At 6' she's a tall woman but doesn't tower over most men like Cameron Brink, Camilla Cardozo, Angel Reese. Even the name has rhythm.

A totally different type but I remember when Shaquille O'Neal arrived with massive hype. Huge endorsement deals, sellout crowds, top selling jersey. Players who felt they had paid their dues, so to speak, for years were not thrilled this kid arrives and gets all the attention.
 
Ed O said:
What's up with all the love?

I don't care either way, except that she is so constantly celebrated in the media, but that so many people care about a woman who hasn't won much of anything since high school (assuming she won then?) is weird. I wonder if people will keep buying tickets if her team keeps losing and she keeps shooting under 40%.
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Sometimes you gotta just ride the wave. Her popularity should be good for the sport as a whole. Unfortunately when people take a peek and get interested they see cheap shots and jealousy for the new golden child. Sure her fg% isn't there yet, but her team sucks, they need an enforcer, and I think it is obvious that Clark will need to focus on putting some strength on her frame this offseason.

It just makes no sense to me that these players want to shit all over her any chance they get instead of celebrating and helping the league go to new heights.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
That's what happens when you flop all the time. Officials have to decide if it's a real hit or not, and they miss it a lot. And since you flop all the time they won't give the hard hits the serious attention they might deserve. And other players naturally hit floppers harder. Because if they're going to get called anyway they might as well get their due.

I have no respect for that crap.

She's a good enough player that she shouldn't need all the dramatic overacting.
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she’s being targeted. Nothing to do with flopping. Angel Reese just fined $5,000. by the WNBA for hard hit on Clark. Point made
 
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Boomchakalaka2 said:
she’s being targeted. Nothing to do with flopping. Angel Reese just fined $5,000. by the WNBA for hard hit on Clark. Point made
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She flops all the time. The WNBA isn't going to allow people to hurt Clark. The idea that they are going to allow it is just laughable. If you dominate the ball as a scorer you're going to get targeted.

The ball simply doesn't move as well for Indiana when Clark is in. They honestly aren't as good when she's in.

As she learns the pro game better she'll stop seeing so much attention.

I have no doubt Reese would be fouling Clark hard. I'm sure Clark is being physical the other way as well. They've got history.

*Edit* However, Reese didn't get fined for any foul. She was fined $1000 for not making herself available to the media after that game. The team was fined $5000 for not making her available. The player who actually committed the flagrant foul in question was not fined at all.

 
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JFizzleRaider said:
Sometimes you gotta just ride the wave. Her popularity should be good for the sport as a whole. Unfortunately when people take a peek and get interested they see cheap shots and jealousy for the new golden child. Sure her fg% isn't there yet, but her team sucks, they need an enforcer, and I think it is obvious that Clark will need to focus on putting some strength on her frame this offseason.

It just makes no sense to me that these players want to shit all over her any chance they get instead of celebrating and helping the league go to new heights.
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Are they going to see her getting pushed around or someone who's the recipient of hype and not good enough to warrant record-setting attendance numbers? Or both?

I don't know why someone would be celebrating a player if they feel that she's just not that good. She talks like she's good, and she was really good in college, but she's not a mascot and no one should be celebrating her existence if they're playing with and against her. That doesn't mean they should be taking cheap shots, of course, except insofar as it helps them win the game.

A huge advantage of the Clark hype is that there are more eyeballs on the WNBA than ever before... and more media attention and hype. Maybe it was just a matter of more folks seeing the league. Or maybe it's just not that interesting as far as high level basketball goes. If the cult of Clark personality fades, either because she's not good enough to perpetuate it or there's something else that distracts, and the league goes back to where it's been the first 25 years, then it'll be interesting to see what WNBA die hards say then.
 
The WNBA won't fold if Clark doesn't meet expectations and I see no reason why she won't. There are other new stars. Perhaps best thing for Clark would be for hoopla to die down so she can concentrate on her game.
 
Ed O said:
Are they going to see her getting pushed around or someone who's the recipient of hype and not good enough to warrant record-setting attendance numbers? Or both?

I don't know why someone would be celebrating a player if they feel that she's just not that good. She talks like she's good, and she was really good in college, but she's not a mascot and no one should be celebrating her existence if they're playing with and against her. That doesn't mean they should be taking cheap shots, of course, except insofar as it helps them win the game.

A huge advantage of the Clark hype is that there are more eyeballs on the WNBA than ever before... and more media attention and hype. Maybe it was just a matter of more folks seeing the league. Or maybe it's just not that interesting as far as high level basketball goes. If the cult of Clark personality fades, either because she's not good enough to perpetuate it or there's something else that distracts, and the league goes back to where it's been the first 25 years, then it'll be interesting to see what WNBA die hards say then.
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Watched the Liberty run circles around the Fever yesterday. THAT'S fun basketball. Everybody moving and cutting off the ball, great passing, open shots. Incredible.

Clark just needs to it out of her head that she needs to dominate the ball. Her team is better when she's out of the game because they play better team basketball without her. She's not going to be able to dominate the best players in the world like she was able to dominate college. That doesn't mean she's a bad player, it just means she's going to have to adjust her game.

As was mentioned on the broadcast, Clark needs to call Sabrina after the season ask to train together. She needs a mentor like that. I'm sure Sabrina would be happy to help.
 
Doesn't help Fever don't actually hold practice.
I agree Clark is best when she is not trying to put on a show.
Many players warned pro game is faster and more physical than college and even biggest stars need to learn.
 
Every hero needs a villain or two or even three. This just all seems staged to me. Even this thread that had basically very little life has doubled it's posts in two days.
 
I think she’s only one of three players putting up her numbers in the league? And people are saying she’s just all hype?
 
THE HCP said:
I think she’s only one of three players putting up her numbers in the league? And people are saying she’s just all hype?
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Yes. Unfortunately on a bad team with bad coach.
As to her not winning anything...she made it to title game twice. How much had Dame won in his rookie season?
 
Phatguysrule said:
She flops all the time. The WNBA isn't going to allow people to hurt Clark. The idea that they are going to allow it is just laughable. If you dominate the ball as a scorer you're going to get targeted.

The ball simply doesn't move as well for Indiana when Clark is in. They honestly aren't as good when she's in.

As she learns the pro game better she'll stop seeing so much attention.

I have no doubt Reese would be fouling Clark hard. I'm sure Clark is being physical the other way as well. They've got history.

*Edit* However, Reese didn't get fined for any foul. She was fined $1000 for not making herself available to the media after that game. The team was fined $5000 for not making her available. The player who actually committed the flagrant foul in question was not fined at all.

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Chennedy Carter was called for a flagrant 1
 
THE HCP said:
I think she’s only one of three players putting up her numbers in the league? And people are saying she’s just all hype?
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what are "her" numbers? She's 6th in the WNBA in usage and 5th if FGA but only 18th in scoring while shooting 36% on FG's and under 30% on three's

Sabrina is putting up much better numbers and her team is winning. Granted, Sabrina is a vet and Clarke is a rookie, but Clarke is actually struggling so far to come anywhere close to he college marks

I think Clarke will eventually climb into the elite level of the league, but unsurprisingly she's a long ways away right now
 
1. Clark got the $$$ off the court. Enjoy it.
2. If she has a rep for flopping, she needs to stop flopping immediately.
3. On a cheap shot that puts her down, the worst looks are (1) complaining and (2) not having a teammate in the picture giving the cheap shot artist the business. She’s on a crappy team.
 
THE HCP said:
I think she’s only one of three players putting up her numbers in the league? And people are saying she’s just all hype?
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I haven't seen anybody saying she's just hype. People just shouldn't expect her to produce like she did in college. Defense is just too tough in the pros.

She needs to learn to move more without the ball and pass the ball earlier instead of forcing up contested shots or passes.

She'll be fine. But it won't be like college. And that's fine.
 
wizenheimer said:
what are "her" numbers? She's 6th in the WNBA in usage and 5th if FGA but only 18th in scoring while shooting 36% on FG's and under 30% on three's

Sabrina is putting up much better numbers and her team is winning. Granted, Sabrina is a vet and Clarke is a rookie, but Clarke is actually struggling so far to come anywhere close to he college marks

I think Clarke will eventually climb into the elite level of the league, but unsurprisingly she's a long ways away right now
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Leads the league in turnovers...
 
Phatguysrule said:
That's what happens when you flop all the time. Officials have to decide if it's a real hit or not, and they miss it a lot. And since you flop all the time they won't give the hard hits the serious attention they might deserve. And other players naturally hit floppers harder. Because if they're going to get called anyway they might as well get their due.

I have no respect for that crap.

She's a good enough player that she shouldn't need all the dramatic overacting.
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She way overreacts but she'll learn not too. As a rookie flopping in any league pro basketball league is just asking for it. That hit she took wasn't that bad at all and now some are saying she was assaulted? I love that some of these gals are tough.
 
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Hoopguru said:
She way overreacts but she'll learn not too. As a rookie flopping in any league pro basketball league is just asking for it. That hit she took wasn't that bad at all and now some are saying she was assaulted? I love that some of these gals are tough scrappers.
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Yeah. It was a foul. And they called it. And made it a flagrant. What the hell else do people want? Lol
 
Phatguysrule said:
Yeah. It was a foul. And they called it. And made it a flagrant. What the hell else do people want? Lol
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An enforcer that will knock those girls on their ass when they do that to Clark. Every team should have one.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
An enforcer that will knock those girls on their ass when they do that to Clark. Every team should have one.
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Maybe she should work on getting her teammates to like her enough to stick up for her I guess?

Seriously though, I don't think most players are worried about your teammate beating them up. At some point you just need to shut your mouth and make them pay on the court.
 
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