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Minstrel said:
Well, due to tax issues and all, I'm not sure they can. They should definitely leave religion to the private sector and leave it out of the marriage issue.
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My solution is civil unions for everybody. Marriage can be consecrated in a church.
 
maxiep said:
My solution is civil unions for everybody. Marriage can be consecrated in a church.
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That's my solution as well! Refreshing to agree on something with you, beyond the Blazers. :cheers:
 
maxiep said:
My solution is civil unions for everybody. Marriage can be consecrated in a church.
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Yes, that's the right solution. Why can't our leaders figure that out?

Edit: although I'd also be fine saying marriage for everyone, and super-special-holy-marriage can be consecrated by the church. What word you use doesn't seem to me to be relevant. Those claiming that the word "marriage" is sacred seem to me to be a bit odd, given the ever-changing nature of our language.

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You guys should just come out with the truth and not worry about skeletons.

Just let er rip.

Gay orgies with priests? Admit it.
Killed like 45 hookers? People will forgive.
Smoked pot? Smoke it on tv while announcing that you are running.

THAT would be real change bitches.
 
Too many forces working against McCain tonight. Shame, but there's nothing you can do.
 
maxiep said:
Juan Williams? Kirsten Powers? Mara Liasson? Alan Colmes? Geraldo Rivera?
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Juan Williams like, Geraldo and Colmes are liberal hand puppets for that network. They have no balls and don't stand up to anything the obnoxious neo-con analysts on that channel blabber. The only one who will actually stick up for herself is Powers and even she's soft.

I congratulate you for not bringing up Bob Beckel that would have been a real knee slapper.
 
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North Carolina still undecided, even though all precincts are reporting, and show an Obama lead.

Georgia is intresting. Apparently they forgot to count the early vote in Georgia. While that's probably not enough for Obama to win the state (it's 53 to 46), but it would probably be enough to force a run-off in the senate race, and the Democrats could put all their resources in there to win that 60th senate seat.
 
Nate Silver is reporting that they prematurely called Nebraska CD-2. Barack might win a EV from Nebraska when all is settled.
 
maxiep said:
Government should get out of the marriage business. It's just another business better handled by the private sector.
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How can they?

Property Rights. Survivorship. Estates. Family Court. Divorce. Children.

There has to be laws that are the default in case legally binding contracts are not available to settle issues. And since most of the time people don't agree to all terms in advance, the government must set policy.

Either the Legislatures do it or the Courts do it. Somebody has to set the rules.
 
LOL, there are Obama is the anti-christ people out there, trying to go save people!

To quote one of them "Don't go along with what the world thinks, they will lead you all to hell".

haha. Obama =/= hell.
 
maxiep said:
My solution is civil unions for everybody. Marriage can be consecrated in a church.
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That's great. But that is a libertarian leaning solution, and is essentially ratifying gay marriage. Something the majority is strongly opposed. And something the electorate will sniff out right away and snuff out.

Total non-starter in our current environment. Like say, the Flat Tax movement.

Too bad, but them's the apples.
 
Masbee said:
How can they?

Property Rights. Survivorship. Estates. Family Court. Divorce. Children.

There has to be laws that are the default in case legally binding contracts are not available to settle issues. And since most of the time people don't agree to all terms in advance, the government must set policy.

Either the Legislatures do it or the Courts do it. Somebody has to set the rules.
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Simple. The government leaves the marriage business to religious organizations and makes everything a civil union. Remove the values component from two (or more) people getting together.
 
Masbee said:
That's great. But that is a libertarian leaning solution, and is essentially ratifying gay marriage. Something the majority is strongly opposed. And something the electorate will sniff out right away and snuff out.

Total non-starter in our current environment. Like say, the Flat Tax movement.

Too bad, but them's the apples.
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I disagree.
 
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