Official Jerami Grant trade rumors/ideas thread

[Natebishop3]

Why does everyone think we are years out? What does Indiana have that we potentially don’t have? My biggest concern is CB and Sharpe turning into the scorer we need. I think we have a pretty solid lineup especially if Scoot/Sharpe take a step.

Well it depends on what we are years out from. Making the playin? Yeah we could do that. Making the playoffs? Maybe. Actually contending? Extremely doubtful. Indy has two All Stars. We have zero. This team is all potential right now. You aren’t gonna contend without an all star.

 

[Tince]

Trading arguably our best player who fits the current timeline sends a pretty bleak message to the rest of the team that you’re trying to sell the “time to compete” message to.

What would you prefer:

1. Keep your "best" player but forgo an even greater set of assets to keep the narrative that the franchise is trying to win now (even though they're not).
2. Trade a very good player for even more valuable assets to the franchise, but make it more obvious to some fans you're not really trying to compete.

Also, we just traded/bought out two starters around Deni's age in the last month. Was that in line with the "time to compete" message?

 

[blazerkor]

What would you prefer:

1. Keep your "best" player but forgo an even greater set of assets to keep the narrative that the franchise is trying to win now (even though they're not).
2. Trade a very good player for even more valuable assets to the franchise, but make it more obvious to some fans you're not really trying to compete.

Also, we just traded/bought out two starters around Deni's age in the last month. Was that in line with the "time to compete" message?

Wouldn't the prudent move be to hold onto Deni who is under contract through the season after the upcoming season, see how good to great he is this year, gauge the market for him next off season and the subsequent trade deadline but hopefully just reach a handshake agreement on a max re-sign.

I'm trying to say that we have all of these options that are a year to a year and a half away, why would we fuck with this situation now???

 

[KingSpeed]

Well it depends on what we are years out from. Making the playin? Yeah we could do that. Making the playoffs? Maybe. Actually contending? Extremely doubtful. Indy has two All Stars. We have zero. This team is all potential right now. You aren’t gonna contend without an all star.

But if we play well, 1 or 2 of our players will make the All Star team.

 

[LayneStaley]

What would you prefer:

1. Keep your "best" player but forgo an even greater set of assets to keep the narrative that the franchise is trying to win now (even though they're not).
2. Trade a very good player for even more valuable assets to the franchise, but make it more obvious to some fans you're not really trying to compete.

Also, we just traded/bought out two starters around Deni's age in the last month. Was that in line with the "time to compete" message?

Why are we not trying to win now or how do you know we aren’t? How do you know the draft picks 3-5 years from now will be better than Deni? He’s just coming into his prime, how do we know he won’t turn into a star?

As far as the two starters we let go of yes it is in line with winning because they needed to leave for better players to get minutes.

 

[LayneStaley]

No chance we trade Deni unless the wheels fall off by the deadline.

 

[CJ_is_Gone]

Deni isn't a free agent until summer 2028 at which point Jrue/Grants deals are over. These aren't related issues at all.

Understand and agree.

I didn't mention Holiday or Grant...
When Deni's contract comes due -> Portland may still need to decide to go into the tax (depending on what Shae/Scoot/another player traded for are making).

Deni's next contract is something to monitor-> but not something that should be worried about at this point

 

[Pinwheel1]

The concept is that Deni/Camara have more value to a contender than to the Blazers if all our other talent flops.

Seems like a logical concept, if our situation changed and our future looked more bleak.

But if all the other talent flops and you get rid of two that don't, then essentially you are getting rid of everyone and starting over. But this discussion is moot because the new owner is not going to want to see a near-empty arena, unless their goal is to find an excuse to move the team.

 

[LayneStaley]

I doubt the Chinese Billionaire who buys us will care about the tax.

 

[Strenuus]

But if we play well, 1 or 2 of our players will make the All Star team.

"If" is carrying this a lot.

 

[KingSpeed]

"If" is carrying this a lot.

Just saying non-All Stars are non-All Stars until they’re not.

 

[PCmor7]

Understand and agree.

I didn't mention Holiday or Grant...
When Deni's contract comes due -> Portland may still need to decide to go into the tax (depending on what Shae/Scoot/another player traded for are making).

Deni's next contract is something to monitor-> but not something that should be worried about at this point

We don't even know who will own the team by then.

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

I doubt the Chinese Billionaire who buys us will care about the tax.

We don't even know who will own the team by then.

A bit off topic so I apologize, but both of your posts left me asking what potential ownership eyes set in on the Blazers if Yang plays well to start the season? I mean, any smart business person must know the massive potential of the Chinese market, right? Would Jodi be prudent to try to delay any potential buyers for a year(if she can) to assess Yang's play and then increase the number? Could the Chinese market potential increase the value by a billion or two? I don't see why not. Possibly even more if Yang puts up solid rookie numbers?

If Jodi sells now and Yang blows up, The buyer will have maybe made the best buy in all sports history. The known and unknown pressure on this kid is unreal!

 

[Tince]

Wouldn't the prudent move be to hold onto Deni who is under contract through the season after the upcoming season, see how good to great he is this year, gauge the market for him next off season and the subsequent trade deadline but hopefully just reach a handshake agreement on a max re-sign.

I'm trying to say that we have all of these options that are a year to a year and a half away, why would we fuck with this situation now???

That's a strategy. Part of Deni's value league wide is going to be how many years a team has control of him and his contract. Deni on your roster on a great deal for 3 years > Deni on your roster on a great deal for 2 years.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

The problem is if he's back to being good, sitting him will not sit well with him (pun intended), that will prompt him to request a trade (not kidding). Jeramie is human, with pride.

I believe Jerami requested a trade long ago and has been assured by the team that they have already been trying for at least a year.

 

[Tince]

Why are we not trying to win now or how do you know we aren’t? How do you know the draft picks 3-5 years from now will be better than Deni? He’s just coming into his prime, how do we know he won’t turn into a star?

As far as the two starters we let go of yes it is in line with winning because they needed to leave for better players to get minutes.

We've made 3 moves this off-season. Let's look at each on and determine if it increased our chances of winning "now" or not:

1. Ant for Holiday trade: This could easily be justified as a win-now move because Ant will almost certainly be a more productive NBA player 4 years from now.
2. Waiving Ayton: Releasing your starting center is not a win-now move. We didn't even use the cap space created by the move to add a player.
3. Drafting Yang Hansen: Taking a young player, not a position of need, who is almost certainly a 3rd string center, over more experienced college prospects (and/or trading the pick) can't be considering a win-now move.

So at best, 1 of our 3 moves signify as win-now.

Your question about the unknown could be said about any move. Teams trade current players for unknown future draft-picks all the time without knowing the players that will be drafted with those picks will actually be better players. This would be about expected value, just like all those trades. Those 5 picks could turn out to be 3 all-stars and Deni could blow out his knee in November and never play again. Or Deni could turn out to be an all-star and none of the picks could pan out.

Again, I like Deni is a player. I love Deni's contract. I question if we're in position to maximize the value of that player/contract in the next 3 years with him on the roster vs trading him.

 

[Tince]

I believe Jerami requested a trade long ago and has been assured by the team that they have already been trying for at least a year.

Based off what?

 

[blazedanugz]

I believe Jerami requested a trade long ago and has been assured by the team that they have already been trying for at least a year.

I have actually heard that too but not directly from someone who would for sure know.
Might have been a game of telephone but that was the rumor

 

[blazerkor]

Based off what?

I don't know about the year part but Jerami's exit interview definitely sounded like a dude ready to move on. If he didn't want traded, what would a guy with two years left on his deal need a meeting with Joe and his agent for???

 

[wizenheimer]

But if we play well, 1 or 2 of our players will make the All Star team.

when Roy was a rookie it was next to certain he was going to be an all-star. And he was an all-star in his 2nd season. When Dame was a rookie, it was pretty certain he was going to be an all-star. And he made it in his 3rd season

This year Avdija will be in his 6th season; Sharpe will be in his 4th season. Scoot might not even be starting in his 3rd season

Portland doesn't have a probable future all-star on their current roster. Just some possibles if things break right and a couple of players take big steps. Avdija is the most likely and he 'only' averaged 17-7-4 last season

Portland has depth but no elite talent

 

[Tince]

I don't know about the year part but Jerami's exit interview definitely sounded like a dude ready to move on. If he didn't want traded, what would a guy with two years left on his deal need a meeting with Joe and his agent for???

I'm still missing where we have some level of confirmation that Grant asked for a trade long ago. Can you provide a link or something? My google and twitter searches were unable to come up with anything along those lines.

 

[Tince]

when Roy was a rookie it was next to certain he was going to be an all-star. And he was an all-star in his 2nd season. When Dame was a rookie, it was pretty certain he was going to be an all-star. And he made it in his 3rd season

This year Avdija will be in his 6th season; Sharpe will be in his 4th season. Scoot might not even be starting in his 3rd season

Portland doesn't have a probable future all-star on their current roster. Just some possibles if things break right and a couple of players take big steps. Avdija is the most likely and he 'only' averaged 17-7-4 last season

Portland has depth but no elite talent

Logical and well-reasoned post.

 

[blazerkor]

when Roy was a rookie it was next to certain he was going to be an all-star. And he was an all-star in his 2nd season. When Dame was a rookie, it was pretty certain he was going to be an all-star. And he made it in his 3rd season

This year Avdija will be in his 6th season; Sharpe will be in his 4th season. Scoot might not even be starting in his 3rd season

Portland doesn't have a probable future all-star on their current roster. Just some possibles if things break right and a couple of players take big steps. Avdija is the most likely and he 'only' averaged 17-7-4 last season

Portland has depth but no elite talent

It's weird that you mention Deni and don't connect the fact that he took such a huge leap in his 5th season to the possibility that our guys who are in their 3rd and 4th seasons and came into the league with way less experience than Deni could make that huge of a leap themselves.

People continuing to compare the early career accomplishments and readiness of our two current guards who went from high school to the pros, to two of our favorite former Blazers guards who both were drafted after 4 years of college experience is kind of crazy to me. The year in their lives that both Scoot and Shaedon are about to experience is the same year in Dame and BRoy's lives that they entered the league. We've seen glimpses and even stretches of spectacular play from Scoot and Shaedon so it's not like we don't know if they have it in them.

You are correct that as of the last time we saw them, none of the guys on our roster were elite nba players but I think you saying that we don't have a probable future star on this roster is a bit premature. I don't think that any one of Scoot, Shaedon or Deni have a high likelihood of future nba superstardom but given the collective odds I think it's more likely than not that one of the three is a perrenial all star and any one of them could end up being an MVP candidate.

 

[blazerkor]

I'm still missing where we have some level of confirmation that Grant asked for a trade long ago. Can you provide a link or something? My google and twitter searches were unable to come up with anything along those lines.

I don't know that Jerami asked out. I just don't know why else a player with two years on his contract would want a meeting with his GM and his agent and to make his desire to have that meeting public. That's as close as someone gets to a public trade request without actually saying it.

You like to ask questions but you don't like answering them.

 

[Tince]

I don't know that Jerami asked out. I just don't know why else a player with two years on his contract would want a meeting with his GM and his agent and to make his desire to have that meeting public. That's as close as someone gets to a public trade request without actually saying it.

You like to ask questions but you don't like answering them.

You want me to speculate why a GM and agent had a meeting? I could give a few guesses, but would have zero way to prove any of them are true.

If Rich Paul wanted his client traded, I bet he would be able to get his wish. Previous transactions made by Cronin have been very Klutch friendly.

 

[blazerkor]

You want me to speculate why a GM and agent had a meeting? I could give a few guesses, but would have zero way to prove any of them are true.

If Rich Paul wanted his client traded, I bet he would be able to get his wish. Previous transactions made by Cronin have been very Klutch friendly.

So it didn't sound to you like Jerami wanted to move on when he was asked about his future with the team and his answer was that he would have a meeting with Joe and his agent to figure out what makes the most sense going forward??? Try to be honest and not just obtuse in the pursuit of not giving an inch on your stated position. I've already said that I don't know for sure that Jerami has asked out.

Edit: and as far as Rich Paul being able to get one of his clients traded if they want no matter who it is... there were a half dozen reports so far this summer that we were looking for a place to trade Jerami but the word around the league was that other teams were looking for us to attach a pick to move him and Joe didn't think he should have to do that.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

The problem is if he's back to being good, sitting him will not sit well with him (pun intended), that will prompt him to request a trade (not kidding). Jeramie is human, with pride.

Tell Grant to go play well and have his agent find a trade. No need to request it, the Blazers want to trade him but no team is willing to offer anything.

 

[blazerkor]

Tell Grant to go play well and have his agent find a trade. No need to request it, the Blazers want to trade him but no team is willing to offer anything.

I'm betting this is where everyone in this situation (Jerami, Joe and Jerami's agent) are at this point. They're all going to see if Jerami can dig his way out of negative value and if he can he'll be gone.

 

[Tince]

So it didn't sound to you like Jerami wanted to move on when he was asked about his future with the team and his answer was that he would have a meeting with Joe and his agent to figure out what makes the most sense going forward??? Try to be honest and not just obtuse in the pursuit of not giving an inch on your stated position. I've already said that I don't know for sure that Jerami has asked out.

Edit: and as far as Rich Paul being able to get one of his clients traded if they want no matter who it is... there were a half dozen reports so far this summer that we were looking for a place to trade Jerami but the word around the league was that other teams were looking for us to attach a pick to move him and Joe didn't think he should have to do that.

If I'm being forced to speculate, I would say Jerami Grant's ideal situation is not playing for the Blazers. However, I'd guess that to be the case with virtually the entire roster. I think Sharpe would prefer to not be in Portland. I think Clingan would prefer to not be in Portland. I think Scoot would rather be in a different situation.

I'm not sure why there is an issue with me asking another poster why they're "sure" of something? I certainly have no idea why it would bother you any.

 

[Tince]

Tell Grant to go play well and have his agent find a trade. No need to request it, the Blazers want to trade him but no team is willing to offer anything.

Exactly. Klutch got him the deal that is making him very difficult to trade. They are going to have to work their magic to get someone to give Portland something in return thath makes sense for them.