[Official] Nurkić Watch Thread

[Blazinaway]

Welcome to the S2 forum, newb!

newb? been here a long time as well as O-live back in the day, just deserves a comment once in a while

 

[Reep]

That's funny - I always laugh at Christians who believe the stories in the bible.

Why?

I assume you understand the chemistry required to make even the most simple living single cell organism from methane, ammonia and carbon dioxide? I also assume you can explain the physics (complying with the second law of thermodynamics) of where the energy came from that was released by the "big bang". I also assume you can explain the where the soul, unique to humans, comes from; or alternatively, if there is no should and it is just the manifestation of a series of chemical reactions and interactions, then why do we put people in jail because they naturally respond to chemical signals and have not true ability to reason. Three simple questions.

When you can explain those using evidence then I guess you can laugh at people that believe the stories in the Bible.

 

[Minstrel]

All true. But we all approach life with our own sets of assumptions. What makes one person's arbitrariness selections better than another's? It's all about perception.

I agree that world views all have some level of arbitrariness (how you navigate between conservative or liberal views, as one example, has a lot to do with your personality and what values you're exposed to growing up). I'd simply draw a distinction between views that we can reason about (even if our goals are "arbitrary"--what I want to see in the world isn't necessarily what you do--once we have goals, our principles can logically lead toward such goals) and views that we can't (a belief that something is true that doesn't follow from, or towards, anything we actually observe).

I'm not saying we necessarily shouldn't have any of the latter, but I think there is a difference in the "arbitrariness" of each.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

newb? been here a long time as well as O-live back in the day, just deserves a comment once in a while

Oh jesus do you need me to do the green font too newb?

 

[PDXFonz]

Welcome to the S2 forum, newb!

Personal insult

JK though. Now that I see people getting away with legit racism I don't even know what flies here anymore. I think the personal insult rule only applies when someone takes exception to the insult. As long as nobody mentions the elephant in the room (in this case a racist comment) then there is no problem with it. Only once the elephant knocks a lamp over do people feel like action needs to be taken.

 

[Minstrel]

Personal insult

JK though. Now that I see people getting away with legit racism I don't even know what flies here anymore. I think the personal insult rule only applies when someone takes exception to the insult. As long as nobody mentions the elephant in the room (in this case a racist comment) then there is no problem with it. Only once the elephant knocks a lamp over do people feel like action needs to be taken.

I haven't been around a lot lately, so maybe I just don't know an obvious reference you're making but--have you reported the racism you're referring to (either with the Report function, or just PMing a moderator)? Possibly it just wasn't seen?

I don't think racism is supposed to fly here.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

the elephant in the room

This forum is pretty much filled to the brim with authoritarian fascists who harbor ridiculously racist and sexist ideologies that would have gotten them in trouble in the 1980's, let alone the 2010's. Why do you think I left the first time?

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

This forum is pretty much filled to the brim with authoritarian fascists who harbor ridiculously racist and sexist ideologies that would have gotten them in trouble in the 1980's, let alone the 2010's. Why do you think I left the first time?

That's more complex. I'm merely wide-open, careless, and low filter.

 

[blue9]

Why?

I assume you understand the chemistry required to make even the most simple living single cell organism from methane, ammonia and carbon dioxide? I also assume you can explain the physics (complying with the second law of thermodynamics) of where the energy came from that was released by the "big bang". I also assume you can explain the where the soul, unique to humans, comes from; or alternatively, if there is no should and it is just the manifestation of a series of chemical reactions and interactions, then why do we put people in jail because they naturally respond to chemical signals and have not true ability to reason. Three simple questions.

When you can explain those using evidence then I guess you can laugh at people that believe the stories in the Bible.

False equivalence much? One does not need to have answers to those questions to know that many stories of the bible (and all other religious texts) didn't happen. I do not need to have a complete understanding of the universe to know that Jesus was not born to a virgin.

As to your final question - are you really saying that the fact we imprison people is proof of a soul? I'm not sure if we have souls or not, but whether or not they exist doesn't have anything to do with justice and imprisonment. And the existence of souls doesn't support Christianity.

 

[BBert]

Nah, that's what Meyers is for! With one punch he could redeem his entire career and win back all the fans that scorn his every breath.

We think alike.

If Meyers wants to change how fans think of and treat him, if given the chance he should come to a teammate's defense and clock Green with everything he's got. Instant fan favorite.



#teamofdestiny

 

[PDXFonz]

I haven't been around a lot lately, so maybe I just don't know an obvious reference you're making but--have you reported the racism you're referring to (either with the Report function, or just PMing a moderator)? Possibly it just wasn't seen?

I don't think racism is supposed to fly here.

That would just prove my point, and I'm hoping it doesn't have to be like that.

Of course it's also possible I'm being overly sensitive and the comment is not actually perceived as racist by others.

 

[Reep]

False equivalence much? One does not need to have answers to those questions to know that many stories of the bible (and all other religious texts) didn't happen. I do not need to have a complete understanding of the universe to know that Jesus was not born to a virgin.

As to your final question - are you really saying that the fact we imprison people is proof of a soul? I'm not sure if we have souls or not, but whether or not they exist doesn't have anything to do with justice and imprisonment. And the existence of souls doesn't support Christianity.

My point is that everybody has faith in something. Many pretend that their beliefs are true because they are supported by science, but they have no clue as to the truth of that belief. I just think it is hypocritical to call the virgin birth impossible when you cannot explain any number of other natural phenomena, but take them on faith.

It's your right to laugh at whatever you want, but don't pass on the fallacy that stories in the Bible can't possibly be true, when you believe many other things which also cannot be proven to be true (or worse, you don't think about them at all).

My bottom line is just lay off the Christian put downs unless you are ready to back up your position. In the end I would much rather talk Blazers with you.

 

[Reep]

As to Nurkic, . . .

If he is fully healthy, then no doubt he plays from game 1 on. But, if he is questionable, do you:

1) try him in game 1 hoping you can catch them overconfident and steal home court advantage?
2) keep him out until game 2 and see if you can catch them on the rebound after a likely Blazer loss in game 1?
3) rest him up until game three, hoping you can maybe get lucky in game 1 or 2, or save your best until you start on your home court?

In the end I would guess it mostly is just on how he feels, but I do wonder if there is any strategy behind the scenes.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

As to Nurkic, . . .

If he is fully healthy, then no doubt he plays from game 1 on. But, if he is questionable, do you:

1) try him in game 1 hoping you can catch them overconfident and steal home court advantage?
2) keep him out until game 2 and see if you can catch them on the rebound after a likely Blazer loss in game 1?
3) rest him up until game three, hoping you can maybe get lucky in game 1 or 2, or save your best until you start on your home court?

In the end I would guess it mostly is just on how he feels, but I do wonder if there is any strategy behind the scenes.

The games are so far apart, I'd pick option 3 and give him and extra week and a Willis Reed moment to feed off of. He's young and lives on emotions.

 

[Minstrel]

That would just prove my point, and I'm hoping it doesn't have to be like that.

I don't understand your point. A moderator has to see it to address it. If they just didn't happen to read that post, no matter how flagrant the racism is, it can't be addressed.

Unless your point is that moderator action shouldn't be necessary at all. I'm sympathetic to that perspective, but there are people who don't think racism is a bad thing or believe that anything short of using the n-word isn't racism.

 

[HomerLovesKoolAid]

Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

I'm not really seeing a personal insult.

Thats cuz your dum.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Is the big man gonna play or not? When will we get some sort of update?

He will play, but it wont be announced until just be for game time and it would be foolish to announce any sooner. Why tip our hat to GSW?

 

[Natebishop3]

Maybe you didn't intend it in this way, but that could be taken as a personal insult. @SlyPokerDog?

 

[RipCityDSCPL]

Thanks for bringing this to my attention.

I'm not really seeing a personal insult.

There was the implication that myself as I am wasn't good enough and it wouldn't be until I 'worked on it' and starting thinking along the same wavelength as Nik.

If you don't see that then maybe he didn't intend it as a insult to me then.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Why suit up at all during the year? Players could get injured at any time. The only logical thing to do is never play our star players and only play guys like Layman and Connaughton... Except if they are all we play then they are our stars, in which case we should just not play basketball at all anymore. Lets just blow bubbles on the court while the other team scores.

I think we're talking about a particular situation here, not an ordinary day to day situation. Nurkic came to the Blazers not in very good shape. Now he has been off for 2-3 weeks so he is probably in worse shape. I believe that a player is more likely to get injured when he is not conditioned and does not have maximum muscle tone. I understand that everyone wants to see him out there battling the Warriors. But, now that he is motivated, doesn't it make sense to rest him a little bit more and then go into a really strong off-season program so he is really ready to go next season?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

There was the implication that myself as I am wasn't good enough and it wouldn't be until I 'worked on it' and starting thinking along the same wavelength as Nik.

If you don't see that then maybe he didn't intend it as a insult to me then.

Pretty weak. None of us as we are are good enough, and all of us can work on what we are to become better versions of ourselves. That's not an insult, it's an acknowledgement of the imperfection innate to humanity.

Wait--you are human, right?

 

[RipCityDSCPL]

Pretty weak. None of us as we are are good enough, and all of us can work on what we are to become better versions of ourselves. That's not an insult, it's an acknowledgement of the imperfection innate to humanity.

Wait--you are human, right?

All right. Fine. Forget I even brought it up.

 

[Natebishop3]

There was the implication that myself as I am wasn't good enough and it wouldn't be until I 'worked on it' and starting thinking along the same wavelength as Nik.

If you don't see that then maybe he didn't intend it as a insult to me then.

PapaG?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

All right. Fine. Forget I even brought it up.

See, you're a better version of yourself already!!

 

[Reep]

The games are so far apart, I'd pick option 3 and give him and extra week and a Willis Reed moment to feed off of. He's young and lives on emotions.

I agree that could be really epic. Can you imagine the Moda crowd when he gets announced?

 

[PDXFonz]

I agree that could be really epic. Can you imagine the Moda crowd when he gets announced?

The rose garden is going to be hype regardless

 

[Scalma]

What has this thread turned into

 

[Wizard Mentor]

I don't think it's a matter of "if he's healthy, he'll play". I think it's more like:

"There's a 5% chance that any given player will get injured in a 7-game series. The chances for Nurkic to get injured are raised to 18%."

(that's the basic idea, but I understand it's more complicated.) Nurkic playing is not unilaterally a good thing.

 

[blue9]

My point is that everybody has faith in something. Many pretend that their beliefs are true because they are supported by science, but they have no clue as to the truth of that belief. I just think it is hypocritical to call the virgin birth impossible when you cannot explain any number of other natural phenomena, but take them on faith.

It's your right to laugh at whatever you want, but don't pass on the fallacy that stories in the Bible can't possibly be true, when you believe many other things which also cannot be proven to be true (or worse, you don't think about them at all).

My bottom line is just lay off the Christian put downs unless you are ready to back up your position. In the end I would much rather talk Blazers with you.

For what it's worth, I think all religions are silly - not just Christianity. Sly just gave me a set-up for Christianity.
But I just have to say that the part of your post I bolded is, again, a false equivalence. The lack of scientific explanation for a specific phenomenon does not mean that it's possible Jesus was born of a virgin, died, and was resurrected. By that token, then it's just as likely Athena sprung from Zeus' head fully formed - the amount of evidence in support of both stories is the same.

 

[B-Roy]

I thought this thread was about Nurkic...