Official Oden Knee Injury News Thread

[oldmangrouch]

I'll have to see Brian's MD credentials before agreeing with what seems like your ignorant statement.

C'mon now.

Oden injured the same knee less than a year ago. It is *possible* that there was residual damage that was not properly diagnosised and treated. It may be speculation, but it is hardly unreasonable. (and would make the current situation slightly less depressing, as there would be an actual REASON this happened!)

 

[oldmangrouch]

You mean when he was 8 and 9 years old?

I just read an interview with Oden's HS coach who claimed he only missed one game due to an ankle sprain.

Where did you see Oden had a history of injuries prior to his Freshman year at Ohio State?

The broken wrist occured at a high-school all-star game, and was still plaguing him months later at OSU.

 

[handiman]

You're misunderstanding...I'm not diagnosing Oden via other players. I'm saying that I don't see "history" that shows an "unrelated injury magnet" phenomenon existing. If that were something that happens, there should be examples of it.

It doesn't matter whether or not there are other examples of it. Oden is his own case study and you've been saying for 3 years now that there is no reason to believe one injury is reason to expect another ... and you've been proven wrong each time.

Think of it another way, most people as injury prone as Oden don't make it this far in their athletic careers, thus they don't get to become relevant examples.

And so would have 29 other teams - no matter what they say. Do you not remember the hype? "Once in a generation Center". You pass on Oden and he goes on to win championships and MVP's - you get fired, and are mocked eternally.

No doubt. That's another matter entirely, though. We can't sit here and say it's just bad luck when all the warning signs were there...

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

I don't have MD credentials. So I editorialized after I read some of the material in MaxieP's links, something I'm not sure that anyone else did (who also seem to be making medical opinions).

But if it makes anyone feel better, I talked to an orthopedic surgeon friend of mine, and they said that, while not seeing the charts, etc. non-contact patella injuries aren't extremely rare, especially in active younger people.

I don't want to be the team's trainer. But I can generally do research and answer questions.

I for one had no problem with your post Brian! We are all posters here - trying to make sense of what just happened. Obviously, no one from the Blazer organization has or will come forward with this sort of information, reasoning, etc. - - - so I read your post as your own speculation of "what might have" triggered Greg's injury!

Why you get blasted? You got me!

 

[Blazer_Hippie]

I for one had no problem with your post Brian! We are all posters here - trying to make sense of what just happened. Obviously, no one from the Blazer organization has or will come forward with this sort of information, reasoning, etc. - - - so I read your post as your own speculation of "what might have" triggered Greg's injury!

Why you get blasted? You got me!

I disagree! I demand that if anyone is posting about a Blazer injury that they must have personally examined said patient AND gotten a second opinion.

 

[julius]

Because you framed it as a possibility, not the likelihood that is, thus minimizing the magnitude of the "if." Oden came into the NCAA injured and missed half his time there, then came into the pro's injured and will have missed two-thirds of his time by the start of year 4. And his injury history goes back even further...

Oden missed 7 games in college.

 

[Minstrel]

It doesn't matter whether or not there are other examples of it. Oden is his own case study

Yes, and it would take an actual doctor to diagnose Oden as his own case study. In the absence of that, other examples are relevant to appraising the plausibility of your speculative theory.

and you've been saying for 3 years now that there is no reason to believe one injury is reason to expect another ... and you've been proven wrong each time.

That's pretty terrible logic. If someone is struck by lightning and I say, "The fact that they were struck by lightning is no reason to believe that they will be struck by lightning again," I am not "proven wrong" if they are struck by lightning again.

The real question here is whether these are independent events, like the lightning strikes. I don't know, but based on the location of the injuries and the reports on each injury, I lean toward them being so. You obviously think they aren't. That's fine, but you have nothing particular backing that opinion besides your say-so. Unless you are a properly trained doctor who has examined Oden, your say-so isn't compelling.

Think of it another way, most people as injury prone as Oden don't make it this far in their athletic careers, thus they don't get to become relevant examples.

If you're right about Oden, he himself shows that such people can make it to the pros. Oden is the first person who has a disorder that makes him prone to picking up serious injuries to different parts of the body and made it to the pros? Perhaps, it just seems quite unlikely.

 

[handiman]

you have nothing particular backing that opinion besides your say-so. Unless you are a properly trained doctor who has examined Oden, your say-so isn't compelling.

You can continue burying your head in the sand... I'll stick with my direct experience which is a far better track record at getting these things right than the Blazers medical staff. I've helped hundreds if not thousands (tough to estimate with the non face to face limitations of the internet) of athletes overcome and avoid injuries that they were told nothing can be done about. I know you won't believe me even if I gave details, so I won't bother.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Oden missed 7 games in college.

He also missed his entire sophomore, junior, and senior years.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

You can continue burying your head in the sand... I'll stick with my direct experience which is a far better track record at getting these things right than the Blazers medical staff. I've helped hundreds if not thousands (tough to estimate with the non face to face limitations of the internet) of athletes overcome and avoid injuries that they were told nothing can be done about. I know you won't believe me even if I gave details, so I won't bother.

If you have a real practice, great. If you're just hawking info on the internet, so what?

 

[handiman]

If you have a real practice, great. If you're just hawking info on the internet, so what?

Both. People come to me for answers they aren't getting from their doctors, trainers, coaches, etc.