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kreidertime

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Kreider must go. Period. That's the first thing. Also, if you listen to that self entitled bitch Zibanejad talk like his NMC is going to save his dumbass here it tells you all you need to know why he sucks now. Message should be sent. Accept a trade or you will be scratched every fn game until you do.
 
I think Kreider and K. Miller are top of the list that need to go, Schneider needs to be in a top 4 role next season.

As for Zibanejad, it isn't just his NMC IMO, it won't be easy to find a team willing to take on an $8.5M cap hit for 5 more long years after the season he just had, even if he was willing to waive his NMC. Unless you can pull off a miracle, I believe the best approach with Zibanejad is hoping this embarrassing season lights a fire under him, and he comes back rededicated to being a hard-working top player again, who shoots the darn puck. What happened with Panarin last season maybe can be a guide for Zibanejad. And if not, the new coach MUST hold him accountable next season. He cannot continue to play 20 mpg if he is lazy and won't shoot.
 
That’s the thing. Teams aren’t going to take on your massive salary problems because you need to make changes. The two I’d like to see moved are Kreider and Miller. I also feel teams would be in
on dealing for them. Kreider just doesn’t provide enough of a game anymore for what he’s being paid. Miller needs a new start somewhere.
 
Kreider needs to go no matter what. He offers very little and keeps getting rewarded being on PP1.

He provides nothing at even strength to merit being in the top 2 lines, nor does he hit enough to merit being on the bottom 2 lines. The only area where he’s a threat is on the PK but that’s it.
 
I don't think Panarin will get any kind of suspension, but it certainly is a mark on his name. He needs to get past it over the summer and come in focused in Sept.
 
If the league isn’t gonna suspend him, which I hear they’re not then I’m not trading him because he actually fucking produces. Doesn’t seem like it was that big of a deal. The chick got fired and maybe she had an axe to grind not that he wasn’t a scumbag, but the league didn’t think much of it.
 
I’m really disappointed with Kreider. I didn’t think he was the sulking bitch type. Him and Zibanedouche are two major reasons I would love to see them bring Torts back.
 
Messiah717 said:
That’s the thing. Teams aren’t going to take on your massive salary problems because you need to make changes. The two I’d like to see moved are Kreider and Miller. I also feel teams would be in
on dealing for them. Kreider just doesn’t provide enough of a game anymore for what he’s being paid. Miller needs a new start somewhere.
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Agree 100%, I've been saying the same thing, Kreider and K. Miller would be at the top of my realistic list. You cannot give Miller a long-term big money deal.

I highly doubt they move Panarin. His numbers in the regular season are very good, and you need guys who can produce to get you there, plus he only has one season left on his deal, so I don't think they have to move him. Also, the league already said they consider the Panarin situation closed, so no suspension from what I read.

Zibanejad, I just cannot see him being moved with 5 long years remaining at $8.5M. Hope he works hard this summer and comes back ready to prove himself next season.

I love the NHL playoffs, but I am very much looking forward to the week leading up to the draft/the draft, and then July 1. Should be a lot to talk about for the Rangers.
 
kreidertime said:
I’m really disappointed with Kreider. I didn’t think he was the sulking bitch type. Him and Zibanedouche are two major reasons I would love to see them bring Torts back.
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Outside of his Carolina heroics in the playoffs definitely very disappointed.
 
What is the plan to replace KAndre? We are already short one top 4 LHD and there is limited top end org depth at the spot. How do we replace two in one offseason and with what cap?

Key had a bad season as did every other defenseman. This coaching staff was incapable of development defenseman. What Key has going for him is he’s the best skater back there and probably the only one who can skate the puck out of trouble and move up ice. There are decent tools there to work with.

I’m not his biggest fan but listing him as one of the “must go”s with the tools he has and the current state of the D is crazy to me.
 
It's more a question of dumbass Drury getting the proper return which so far he has shown he sucks at.
 
I am not hung up on L or R, I think that is overblown.

My D plan is:

1. Dealing K. Miller, and as was stated the return needs to be very good, which unfortunately I doubt Drury can accomplish, but I digress. I cannot fathom giving him a long-term solid money contract, that would be a big mistake IMO.
2. Schneider must be in a top 4 role IMO; he has earned it.
3. FINALLY go out and add a legit top pair LD to play with Fox. He needs that partner, like Beukeboom was for Leetch.

So, my top pair would be legit top pair LD added with Fox. My 2nd pair would be Schneider and Borgen. My 3rd pair would be any combo of Soucy, Vaak, Robertson, other. That's how I would reshape the D.

Upfront, deal Kreider. Go add a legit top 6 wing. And maybe look for another good solid 2-way forward to complete the 3rd line. And, I would absolutely make the 11th pick available in the right package, which again unfortunately I doubt Drury can accomplish.

Add in the motivation the team should have after this putrid season, and away we go for a Cup run next season.
 
Lafreniere was lazier than my fat fuck friend which is almost impossible.
 
You want younger guys to have a bigger role on the team but you aren’t willing to move that asshole Panarin lol. I’ve been fucking saying for over a year you need to move that guy.
 
You can say move anybody. You tell me the team who wants or can take a $12 million cap hit right now.
 
He has one year left on his contract. Retain 50% for a year otherwise you lose him for nothing next year
 
At some point you need to hand over the team to a new core and young kids. Now is the time to do it with a new coach coming in.
 
Messiah717 said:
You can say move anybody. You tell me the team who wants or can take a $12 million cap hit right now.
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A guy who scores well over a point a game, with one-year remaining on his contract is FAR from the Rangers biggest issue. A guy like Panarin is valuable in the regular season, which cannot be overlooked. Plus, you are not going to retain any of his cap hit if you trade him, that would be incredibly stupid of course. He'll leave after next season, and the Rangers will get a ton of cap space to work with OR worst case, if the Rangers stink next season, you can trade Panarin at the DL for a haul. There is absolutely zero upside or logic to dealing Panarin now, unless you get a haul for him, which is highly unlikely, even if he did agree to waive his NMC.

I think people should be focusing on way more important and impactful trades, not the guy who scores a lot of points and leads the team pretty much every season, especially with only one year remaining on his deal.
 
You’ve been fucking saying to change the core for the last two years but you don’t want to move the guy WHO is the biggest core piece. Moving Kreider does not move the needle that much. You’re playing it too safe as always but you keep saying Drury has no balls to do major moves
 
I am actually being smart and unemotional. The core needs to change, but that doesn't mean you do something stupid and give Panarin away, double so with only one season left on his deal, which will come with huge cap relief after next season. On top of that, Panarin actually produces in the regular season, and you need players like that. If you can get a top-level return for Panarin, and clear his full cap hit, of course I would trade him, but realistically I don't see that happening. I also don't see Zibanejad getting dealt either, but that is fully due to his contract with 5 long years remaining.

I would focus on core guys like Kreider and K. Miller at the top of the realistic list and see where it goes from there.

To be very clear, I don't disagree with your mindset at all Step, and everything, and I mean EVERYTHING should be on the table for the right return. I just don't think it is realistic to deal Zibanejad, without getting stuck with a bad deal or having to retain money. As for Panarin, unless you get an absolute haul, and clear his whole cap hit, I don't see how trading him makes the team better.

All of this is also impacted by my lack of faith in Drury to be creative and make shrewd deals. If I believed Drury could deal Panarin and turn that into open cap space and go add a big-time player with the money, again I am open to it, and EVERYTHING is on the table. Issue is I don't believe Drury is capable of pulling it off, so I would look at moving Panarin just to move him, and that doesn't make sense to me due to performance, huge cap relief after next season, and worst case you can flip him at the DL for a big return.
 
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Any serious rebuild starts with moving Fox who still has trade value before his NTC kicks in May 31st. I'd keep K'Andre because he's only 25 and an RFA along with Zac Jones and Robertson who with his size needs to get a better look. Half of the defensemen the Rangers dressed this year wouldn't crack the roster of most teams. Supposedly CK has been playing with a back injury, if true he didn't help himself or the team but hopefully it will be addressed off season. Cuylle, Edtsrom, Kaliyev, Rempe and Parssinen are all RFAs that won't break the bank but Drury needs to move someone. Panarin has 550 points in 430 games as a Ranger, I'd look to extend him. I think the worst contract following Fox is that lazy hump Laf, too bad Gorton didn't play a hunch and draft Stutzle but to Drury's credit Laf's NTC doesn't kick in until '27-'28.
 
I said early in the season I wanted at least 3 dmen gone, and I standby that comment. So far Trouba and Lindgren are gone, one more needs to go. Whether it is Fox or K. Miller, I think they need to deal one. If Drury is going to deal Fox, it needs to happen around the draft as his NMC kicks in on July 1st.

I really am good either way, Fox or Miller, but my head says Miller is the more likely player to get traded, especially considering you either sign him long-term now, or trade him I believe. On top of that, Fox is difficult to replace. He clearly isn't the same player he was a few years back, but I am hopeful with a very good LD partner he can raise his game again. And in a "down season" he still had 61 points in 74 games and was a + 9 going against the other team's best players every game and playing 23 mpg. Miller meanwhile had 27 points in 74 games and was a 0 +/- player.

All things equal, I would trade Miller over Fox but again would be fine either way. If you do deal Fox, you need to get a stud level return, if you cannot, I would not deal him.
 
Boyle called the team, especially Zibanedouche a bunch of pussies. Brooks said it was the most sensitive team you ever covered. Oh boy. Drury he’s looking better and better.
 
Drury fucked up the team. I read the post and it was that damn memo that went public with trouba and Kreider on the trade table early in the season that rattled the team. Then they trade Goodrow and Trouba who all the players on the team said were their top two leaders. They had the most balls on the team. I didn’t like the trades at all. I get the cap hits but I knew that they were giving up a lot of grit and leadership. That fucked up the whole team this year. Drury needs to go, this was all his fault, not Lavs
 
Once again, Drury has handled all of this like amateur hour.
  • He is the one who kept all the players together after the NJ loss (despite the whining and softness of the players in their exit interviews - which should have set off alarm bells).
  • He is the one who kept all the players together after the Florida loss.
  • He is the one who had whatever that public thing was with Trouba before the season and then kept him into the season.
  • He is the one who went public the Rangers were open for business, especially with Trouba and Kreider, in the middle of the season instead of during the summer like he should have.
  • He is the one who traded away 2nd and 5th round picks for Smith to fill a role he is not good enough to fill.
  • He is the one who then flipped Smith for Soucy which essentially means he traded 2nd and 5th round picks for 3rd pair/depth dman Soucy.
  • He is the one who hired Gallant.
  • He is the one who fired Gallant after two seasons.
  • He is the one who hired Lav.
  • He is the one who fired Lav after two seasons.
Two of three seasons with embarrassing ends, and soon to be three new coaches in 4 seasons, enough is enough with this guy.
 
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