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OK Fez, you've convinced me. I want Hernangomez!
I wouldn't be surprised to see him go before our pick, though. There's usually a surprise international pick in the bottom third of the first round.

The hard part for Portland will be if all three of Hernangomez, Upshaw and Justin Anderson are all there. Anderson is more of an immediate need, Upshaw could have Rudy Gobert defensive potential and Hernangomez could be the poor man's Marc Gasol. Having watched more tape of Upshaw I'm cooling on him - he blocks a TON of shots, but he's otherwise kind of clueless. Hernangomez wouldn't really fit with Meyers, either. I just hope Meyers won't stop us getting good players the way Drexler preempted Jordan or Telfair preempted Chris Paul.

 
Porzingis certainly proved: he can jump and he can shoot. But he's supposed to be pretty passive (in stark contrast to his teammate Hernangomez) and he has frighteningly narrow shoulders. My comparison: some mad scientist merged Shawn Bradley with Andrea Bargnani. I say he has the biggest bust potential of the top 6.

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Could it be a contingency if LA leaves?

First: I automatically assume that this is bullshit, and will continue to think so unless cast iron proof otherwise emerges.
But second, on the tiny chance it isn't: if the Knicks take Porzingis, should we worry about a sign-and-trade of LA to NY?
 
But second, on the tiny chance it isn't: if the Knicks take Porzingis, should we worry about a sign-and-trade of LA to NY?
Not sure. LA and Melo seems like a disastrous combo. Two of the highest FGA players with no other true defenders on the roster. Sounds like a typical Knicks move
 
Just listening to this podcast and David Locke said that after pick #11, 50% of players won't make any NBA impact.

Givony thinks RHJ, Kaminsky and Looney will be picked lower than they should be. Mudiay too, although he thinks Denver is probably his floor. He also thinks Towns is by far and away the best player, then Okafor, and Hezonja is the third-best player in the draft. (He can't work out until Barcelona finishes the playoffs, and that may not be until after the draft.)
 
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Early entry withdrawals:

Staying in the 2015 NBA Draft

Mario Hezonja Barcelona 95 Int'l Croatia
Kristaps Porzingis Sevilla 95 Int'l Latvia
Nikola Milutinov Partizan 94 Int'l Serbia
Guillermo Hernangomez Sevilla 94 Int'l Spain
Mouhammadou Jaiteh Nanterre 94 Int'l France
Cedi Osman Anadolu Efes 95 Int'l Turkey
Juan Vaulet Bahia Blanca 96 Int'l Argentina
Nikola Radicevic Sevilla 94 Int'l Serbia
Satnam Singh IMG Academy 95 Int'l India
Dimitris Agravanis Olympiakos 94 Int'l Greece
Jong-Hyun Lee Korea University 94 Int'l Korea

Withdrawing from the 2015 NBA Draft

Aleksandar Vezenkov Aris 95 Int'l Bulgaria
Timothe Luwawu Antibes 95 Int'l France
George de Paula Pinheiros 96 Int'l Brazil
Nedim Buza Oostende 95 Int'l Bosnia
Moussa Diagne Fuenlabrada 94 Int'l Senegal
Marc Garcia Manresa 96 Int'l Spain
Alpha Kaba Pau Orthez 96 Int'l France
Paul Zipser Bayern Muenchen 94 Int'l Germany
Andzejs Pasecniks VEF Riga 95 Int'l Latvia
Alberto Abalde Joventut 95 Int'l Spain
Rade Zagorac Mega Leks 95 Int'l Serbia
Andrey Desyatnikov Zenit St Petersburg 94 Int'l Russia
Lucas Dias Pinheiros 95 Int'l Brazil
Danilo Fuzaro Minas 94 Int'l Brazil

Sorry about Vezenkov and Luwawu...
 
First: I automatically assume that this is bullshit, and will continue to think so unless cast iron proof otherwise emerges.
But second, on the tiny chance it isn't: if the Knicks take Porzingis, should we worry about a sign-and-trade of LA to NY?

The Knicks have the cap space to just sign Aldridge outright. They wouldn't trade the 4th pick for him. That makes no sense at all.
 
Just listening to this podcast and David Locke said that after pick #11, 50% of players won't make any NBA impact.

Givony thinks RHJ, Kaminsky and Looney will be picked lower than they should be. Mudiay too, although he thinks Denver is probably his floor. He also thinks Towns is by far and away the best player, then Okafor, and Hezonja is the third-best player in the draft. (He can't work out until Barcelona finishes the playoffs, and that may not be until after the draft.)

I didn't listen to the podcast but I used to listen to Locke every day when I lived in Utah. I remember his statistics about players drafted past #17 (or somewhere close to that) rarely make an impact. I just think this year is an exception.
 
The draft is always a gamble - but - a good draft is still the most cost-effective way to improve your team.

Call me an optimist (you'd be the first), but I truly believe the Blazers can find a solid rotation player in this draft.
 
Just in case you think you're having a bad day:


If he goes undrafted, I would consider signing him to a 3yr min contract to replace Crabbe. I think Qualls is a guy who at least has a decent chance to become a quality NBA 2 guard...
 


Probably the most underrated 3-D prospect, Anthony Brown is the latest riser.

DX moved him from the 50's into the first round.
 
David Locke amd Chad Ford agree with their ceiling for Kaminsky: Channing Frye.

Ouch.

"Many" teams are trying to trade up for Kristaps.

Neil has a lot of comp for that Orlando pick.
 
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David Locke and Chad Ford agree with their ceiling for Kaminsky: Channing Frye.

Ouch.

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At first when I read that I thought no Frank will be a little more effective inside than Channing. But damn Channing is up to 255?
And Kaminsky is only 230. Maybe that is his ceiling. Either way I like how both are effective in the high post. But we have Leonard for that.
 
David Locke and Chad Ford agree with their ceiling for Kaminsky: Channing Frye.

Ouch.

Although I think Kaminsky has a higher ceiling than Frye, I don't think that's too bad of a knock. Channing was drafted #8 in 2005. If we look at the top talent in the draft that year, here are the top 10:
- Chris Paul
- Deron Williams
- David Lee
- Danny Granger
- Andrew Bogut
- Marvin Williams
- Brandon Bass
- Raymon Felton
- Channing Frye
- Jarrett Jack

That was a pretty normal draft year. Most years you don't get more than about 10-12 solid starters. Channing has been playing now for 9 years, and has been a solid starter for the past 4 years. I think he was a reasonably good pick at #8, and about what you can expect from that range in the draft.

Right now, NBADraft.net has Kaminsky at #17, and DraftExpress.com has him at #12. Even if Channing Frye is his ceiling, I'd say he is a bit undervalued at this point.
 
Does Chad Ford really know much? I mean, I hate to bring up Pavel Podkolzine and Yi Jianlian...
 
Kaminsky has also been compared with Olynyk, presumably as an insult, but I think Olynyk with better passing skills and longer arms isn't so bad. (Plus: NO STUPID HAIR.) The thing that makes Givony rave about him is that he has a "pure point rating" better than most point guards. Why isn't he being compared with Pau Gasol? Too scrawny?
 
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