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The other Blake Griffin deal that I could see making sense is trading him to New York for Melo. Something would have to go back to the Clippers such as an unprotected pick but the framework makes sense for both teams. Melo with his trade clause goes to the only other city he likes in LA. Melo and CP3 are good friends. Melo can score in crunch time, where Griffin struggles, can play the 4 and is a win now move. The Knicks are rebuilding around the Zinger and Griffin is closer to his timeline. NY has to give up some other assets since Griffin is so much younger.
 
Draco said:
The other Blake Griffin deal that I could see making sense is trading him to New York for Melo. Something would have to go back to the Clippers such as an unprotected pick but the framework makes sense for both teams. Melo with his trade clause goes to the only other city he likes in LA. Melo and CP3 are good friends. Melo can score in crunch time, where Griffin struggles, can play the 4 and is a win now move. The Knicks are rebuilding around the Zinger and Griffin is closer to his timeline. NY has to give up some other assets since Griffin is so much younger.
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That would be fascinating, and makes a lot of sense.
 
Draco said:
CJ and Hendo to Cleveland
Blake Griffin to Portland
Kevin Love and Mo Williams to Clippers

Cleveland balances its lineup with wing and guard depth. Gives them ability to play LeBron at PF and they get a trade exception. Guard scoring with CJ if Kyrie is hurt again. Can wait until summer to use exception to save massive luxury tax.

Neil cashes in CJ at a sell high moment for his former #1 pick Griffin. Allows the Blazers to tank the rest of the season and keep their lottery pick.

Clippers get a healthy PF on a longer contract and a fresh vibe from the negativity of the current roster. Mo helps their bench.
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I don't see how that balances out Cleveland.

Irving/dellavedova
CJ/Henderson /shumpert/Jr smith/Jared Cunningham
James/James Jones/Richard Jefferson
Thompson
Mozgov/varejao/Kaun

They don't need to add another sg, let alone 2, to that roster. That's way out of balance.
 
RR7 said:
I don't see how that balances out Cleveland.

Irving/dellavedova
CJ/Henderson /shumpert/Jr smith/Jared Cunningham
James/James Jones/Richard Jefferson
Thompson
Mozgov/varejao/Kaun

They don't need to add another sg, let alone 2, to that roster. That's way out of balance.
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It depends if you put LBJ at the 3 or 4. I say in the games that matter against the top team he plays best at the 4, so they then need Hendo and Shumpert at the 3. If you believe LBJ is a 3 then they should keep the team as is.

The Heat won their titles with LBJ at the 4 and Bosh at center. Its kind of odd two of the Cavs best players play the same position. There was a good Grantland article when the Love trade happened comparing the two guys shot charts and the strongly overlapped.
 
I'm not too crazy about getting rid of CJ. We should just wait and see if a team wants to unload us a solid player in which we don't have to give much up.
 
Blazer509 said:
I'm not too crazy about getting rid of CJ. We should just wait and see if a team wants to unload us a solid player in which we don't have to give much up.
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I love what CJ has done this season but for us to be really successful long term he is gonna have to move to the bench and be a Jason Terry/Manu Ginobili super sub. I don't know if he will accept that role. If he can land us a young all star/all pro player then you have to pull the trigger on that deal.
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
I love what CJ has done this season but for us to be really successful long term he is gonna have to move to the bench and be a Jason Terry/Manu Ginobili super sub. I don't know if he will accept that role. If he can land us a young all star/all pro player then you have to pull the trigger on that deal.
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I think Crabbe is a perfect starting shooting guard. That's why I'm not really afraid to trade CJ for something of greater need.
 
Seems to me like Leonard and Henderson have been getting 'showcased' lately for a possible trade.
 
Brook Lopez is looking more and more like an option if Neil truly wants to be in the playoffs. Dude is just ballin right now too
 
I'd try to pry away Nurkic from Denver.

Jokic IMO is their COTF. He was a huge steal. You re-do that draft and Jokic goes top-10.
 
Why do we need a center? I believe in plumlee, and davis is the perfect backup. We need another crabbe.
 
One thing that is going to be very unpredictable is that in all likelihood we are on the top of every other teams list as a 3rd team to make a deal work. So as the deadline bears we may end up in a trade but not because we initiated it or were the team receiving the initial proposal.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Because we have quite possibly the worst rim protection in the league, and we have the lowest scoring front court in the league
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Then run plays for plumlee and Vonleh. Both have low post skill, we just never see it.
 
Scalma said:
Then run plays for plumlee and Vonleh. Both have low post skill, we just never see it.
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Plumlee also has a pretty good mid-range jump shot, which we also never see. I guarantee that if we ran a few pick-and-pops with Plumlee, we would not be disappointed.
 
running plays for Plumlee?! **shudders**

I mean, I guess if you like throwing possessions away that's cool and all. Me personally, I like utilizing something that has a better than 30% chance of scoring points. But ya know, reasons and all. :blush:
 
The only low-post play Stotts ever ran was:
1 - Dump to LMA
2 - LMA passes back out to the entry passer
3 - Pass swings around for a weak-side corner 3

That's the only thing Stotts has ever drawn up for a post play. And the last time it was routinely used was two seasons ago.
My point is that Stotts doesn't have a post offense.
 
blue9 said:
The only low-post play Stotts ever ran was:
1 - Dump to LMA
2 - LMA passes back out to the entry passer
3 - Pass swings around for a weak-side corner 3

That's the only thing Stotts has ever drawn up for a post play. And the last time it was routinely used was two seasons ago.
My point is that Stotts doesn't have a post offense.
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Stott doesn't have anyone who has any post offense skill. That's the real issue. Vonleh has what could develop into a post game but he has no singular defined move or skill set yet. That gets developed in the off season and practice, not active game time. It's tested in games. Ed Davis has a little running hook that's pretty solid, Meyers has a drop step floater/baby hook- but that's really the extent of the post offense the Blazers have exhibited. It doesn't make sense to feed the post b/c the double teams aren't coming to help out against any of those guys. I can see giving it to one of them on the switch, but even then it has to be the right switch.

Stott actually ran a ton of different looks for LMA on the block. The direct action was always the same, LMA gets the ball on the block. But the backside/weakside action was always different so opponents couldn't double from the same place time and again with the same personnel. Give Stotts an efficient post player and the offense will build around it- it makes his flow offense more effective b/c you can't load up against it then.
 
Dan Marang said:
Stott doesn't have anyone who has any post offense skill. That's the real issue. Vonleh has what could develop into a post game but he has no singular defined move or skill set yet. That gets developed in the off season and practice, not active game time. It's tested in games. Ed Davis has a little running hook that's pretty solid, Meyers has a drop step floater/baby hook- but that's really the extent of the post offense the Blazers have exhibited. It doesn't make sense to feed the post b/c the double teams aren't coming to help out against any of those guys. I can see giving it to one of them on the switch, but even then it has to be the right switch.

Stott actually ran a ton of different looks for LMA on the block. The direct action was always the same, LMA gets the ball on the block. But the backside/weakside action was always different so opponents couldn't double from the same place time and again with the same personnel. Give Stotts an efficient post player and the offense will build around it- it makes his flow offense more effective b/c you can't load up against it then.
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This right here. Some people are so insistent that Stotts sucks because he isn't doing the things that seem to be needed, but when the reality is, he isn't doing them because we CANT do them. Wouldn't that be the sign of a bad coach? Trying to play to our weaknesses than our strengths? You use what works during the game and work on what doesn't in practice. Until it works consistently in practice, you don't bring it onto the game floor.
Stotts is doing great as far as I can see and unless people are at our practices to break down what we are working on, the criticism is unfounded...
 
Dan Marang said:
running plays for Plumlee?! **shudders**

I mean, I guess if you like throwing possessions away that's cool and all. Me personally, I like utilizing something that has a better than 30% chance of scoring points. But ya know, reasons and all. :blush:
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How can we say that a Plumlee pick and pop from 15 feet only had a 30% chance of scoring if it's never run?

Don't just look at numbers. Watch him shoot pregame. Watch him nail jumpers from the top of the key. Analyze his stroke. He absolutely has the ability.
 
Orion Bailey said:
This right here. Some people are so insistent that Stotts sucks because he isn't doing the things that seem to be needed, but when the reality is, he isn't doing them because we CANT do them. Wouldn't that be the sign of a bad coach? Trying to play to our weaknesses than our strengths? You use what works during the game and work on what doesn't in practice. Until it works consistently in practice, you don't bring it onto the game floor.
Stotts is doing great as far as I can see and unless people are at our practices to break down what we are working on, the criticism is unfounded...
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If you want an example of this- watch the TWolves and Sam Mitchell last night. It's physically painful to watch their sets/rotations.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
How can we say that a Plumlee pick and pop from 15 feet only had a 30% chance of scoring if it's never run?

Don't just look at numbers. Watch him shoot pregame. Watch him nail jumpers from the top of the key. Analyze his stroke. He absolutely has the ability.
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That Dame PnR w/Plumlee is run about 15 times a game. Plumlee catches it in ample space to shoot probably 6-7 times a night, yet he doesn't. Why? Because he can't. If he develops that shot, then that dynamic changes.

If an NBA player has a skill, he's going to use it. It's not only a benefit to the team, it's a financial benefit to him. If he truly has that in his bag, he'd show it. This isn't one of those "taking one for the team" situations- he just can't shoot from 15' consistently.
 
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