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Aminu is actually a much better three point shooter.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Aminu is actually a much better three point shooter.
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Sure, and he probably jumps higher and is a better shot-blocker too. But Harris is better offensively inside the arc (and overall), is younger, a better decision-maker, a better passer, and is simply bigger and more able to play the 4.
 
santeesioux said:
http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/240699/Magic-Willing-To-Listen-To-Tobias-Harris-Offers

People wanted him last summer too.
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I would have liked him last summer but not at the price he went for. Now he is owed the remainder of his $64M deal. He's having a decent season but it's amazing how little $15M/Yr guys anymore.

PtldPlatypus said:
He (Harris) may be having a rough year in Orlando, but I think he'd be a perfect fit as a third option here.
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He would be a nice piece but where does he fit? He's kind of that 'tweener' SF/PF and we already have 2 of those.
 
TBpup said:
I would have liked him last summer but not at the price he went for. Now he is owed the remainder of his $64M deal. He's having a decent season but it's amazing how little $15M/Yr guys anymore.
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Remember, with the coming cap increase, $15M in 2 years will be comparable to $10M now.

TBpup said:
He would be a nice piece but where does he fit? He's kind of that 'tweener' SF/PF and we already have 2 of those.
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Sure we do, but neither compares to Harris in terms of overall ability. With the team as currently constructed, I'd start him over Vonleh at 4, and slide Vonleh to the backup 4 alongside Davis (with Leonard hopefully in Orlando as part of the trade).
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Remember, with the coming cap increase, $15M in 2 years will be comparable to $10M now.

Sure we do, but neither compares to Harris in terms of overall ability. With the team as currently constructed, I'd start him over Vonleh at 4, and slide Vonleh to the backup 4 alongside Davis (with Leonard hopefully in Orlando as part of the trade).
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Yes of course the Cap is going up. It was just a general observation and a disappointing reflection on my parents lack of height DNA contributions. :breakdance:

I agree that Harris has more ability but I'm still not a huge fan of him at the '4'. He would make a nice contrast to Vonleh as Noah develops though. Part of the reason I'm not a fan of him at the '4' is that Stotts likes to play so small most of the time as it is.
 
Harris would be a solid get if it didn't cost any of CJ, Vonleh, Aminu, Plumlee, Crabbe, or Hendo (yes I believe Hendo can help get us a better player than Harris, if not I'm not opposed to keeping him).
 
I think small forward is the position of need, or a REALLY good power forward. Harris is good, but not great. I guess it just depends on the cost.

It still depends greatly on the goals of the team. Are we trying to make the playoffs or are we biding our time and letting the team gel? If we're making a push for the playoffs, I wouldn't be opposed to trading for a veteran forward who can score.

I wonder if New York would do Melo for CJ/Leonard/Kaman, and then try to acquire Collison from Sac to be the backup point.

Dame
Crabbe
Melo
Vonleh
Plumlee

With

Collison
Hendo
Aminu
Harkless
Davis

Off the bench.
 
CJ for Melo?? That seriously under values CJ. Guy is third year and probably on par with that dunce.
 
The reason why the magic suck despite all their youth, talent and athleticism is actually pretty simple. They don't have a go to scorer that can take over a game, and they don't have low post defense. Every player on that team is a role player to some degree on a contender.

And yes, sign me up for Tobias Harris.
 
Scalma said:
The reason why the magic suck despite all their youth, talent and athleticism is actually pretty simple. They don't have a go to scorer that can take over a game, and they don't have low post defense. Every player on that team is a role player to some degree on a contender.

And yes, sign me up for Tobias Harris.
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yup you nailed it. thats exactly what it is, they dont have that go to all nba player
 
Natebishop3 said:
If the goal is to clear his salary, we are one of the few teams that can make it happen. Either by absorbing the entire thing, or by sending expiring deals.
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I wrote a little about this over at BlazersEdge HERE - but there's a couple caveats to this.

1. Nate your point about salary and absorbing his deal
While that's true there are other teams out there that could do that as well. I'm assuming MIL is chumming the water to see if they can garner a bidding war for his services. The leverage, however isn't as strong in MIL favor b/c Monroe has that opt out clause. It's a little more complicated than the usual "let's see what we can get" type idea that floats around

2. Ties back to the original point- but b/c the cap space is going up so much it renders cap space by itself a little less valuable. It's the combination of both cap space and assets - that will be the draw of FAs come the end of the year.

Like I said in the BE piece... if it's a Godfather like offer, yeah, you listen. Otherwise? Nah. Not my cup of tea.
 
We should trade Leonard, Henderson, and Kaman to Milwaukee for Monroe and Antetokounmpo
 
LuckyShot said:
As much as I like the idea of having a player like Monroe who can score in the post, I'm not sure he's the player we need. I mean, isn't he basically Al Jefferson? He can get points in the paint, but he might drag us down in other areas. Does he make his teammates any better on either end? I'm not convinced that he does. He just has a good post scoring game. We need someone who can be a threat on the block, but I don't think it's worth what we'd have to give up to get him.
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Al Jefferson is being nice. Big Al has one of the most complete post games in the league- Monroe, while not bad on that end is nowhere near that level of proficiency. He's a decent passer, and a decent rebounder... I just don't see how he merits that kind of $$$. Then again I was talking about Crabbe being worth 12-15 a few weeks ago... so who knows at this point.
 
Tunchi said:
yup you nailed it. thats exactly what it is, they dont have that go to all nba player
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It's a weird roster for sure and they'll have to trade some pieces. I don't know why they drafted hezonja, thought willie Cauley-Stein was a much better fit for them. Their coaching choices have been pretty poor as well with vaughn and now skiles. That's on hennigan.
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
CJ has youth on his side, Melo is arguably the most versatile scorer in the NBA.
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I'd take was... I mean I guess you could try to argue that he is, but I wouldn't buy it. Higher usage than CJ but scores less than 1 ppg more.

CJ on the other hand is one of the most versatile scorers in the league. If not for his below average inside production I would argue that he is the best. He's young though, so he has time to improve in that regard. Melo isn't going anywhere but down at this point in his career.
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
I'd take was... I mean I guess you could try to argue that he is, but I wouldn't buy it. Higher usage than CJ but scores less than 1 ppg more.

CJ on the other hand is one of the most versatile scorers in the league. If not for his below average inside production I would argue that he is the best. He's young though, so he has time to improve in that regard. Melo isn't going anywhere but down at this point in his career.
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If this were 3 years ago, I'd be all for Melo for CJ. Melo has the 3, midrange, post and ISO game. CJ is great combo guard, but he doesn't have the offensive prowess Melo does.
 
BonesJones said:
It's Milwaukee, nobody will want to go there unless there's some big name players there, and Monroe is the biggest name they have. They just got lucky and signed a big name free agent so why would they sell him off hoping to get lucky again, but with a below .500 tem instead of one coming off a year in which they were a 6 seed
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What happened to Jabari Parker? Wasn't he supposed to be a star?
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think small forward is the position of need, or a REALLY good power forward. Harris is good, but not great. I guess it just depends on the cost.

It still depends greatly on the goals of the team. Are we trying to make the playoffs or are we biding our time and letting the team gel? If we're making a push for the playoffs, I wouldn't be opposed to trading for a veteran forward who can score.

I wonder if New York would do Melo for CJ/Leonard/Kaman, and then try to acquire Collison from Sac to be the backup point.

Dame
Crabbe
Melo
Vonleh
Plumlee

With

Collison
Hendo
Aminu
Harkless
Davis

Off the bench.
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I would love Melo on our team. So many people diss him that he is actually underrated in my opinion. I want to keep CJ but if I was forced to trade CJ, I would definitely chose Melo. Remember- Melo went to WCF in 2009. He won in college too. Totally underrated nowadays.
 
KingAlbertoJrSpeed said:
I would love Melo on our team. So many people diss him that he is actually underrated in my opinion. I want to keep CJ but if I was forced to trade CJ, I would definitely chose Melo. Remember- Melo went to WCF in 2009. He won in college too. Totally underrated nowadays.
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Plus his wife tastes like Honey Nut Cheerios. So he has that going for him.
 
KingAlbertoJrSpeed said:
I would love Melo on our team. So many people diss him that he is actually underrated in my opinion. I want to keep CJ but if I was forced to trade CJ, I would definitely chose Melo. Remember- Melo went to WCF in 2009. He won in college too. Totally underrated nowadays.
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Melo was 5th on that WCF Nuggets team in VORP, 5th in WS, 7th in WS/48, 8th in BPM--basically, that team was made by the supporting cast. Aside from that team, the only playoff series 'Melo has ever won was 2013 Knicks over the Celtics in the first round. That was basically 'Melo at the height of his powers: the highest USG% and PER of his career. He's moving downward at this point, and he's nowhere near as good as he thinks he is.
 
KingAlbertoJrSpeed said:
I would love Melo on our team. So many people diss him that he is actually underrated in my opinion. I want to keep CJ but if I was forced to trade CJ, I would definitely chose Melo. Remember- Melo went to WCF in 2009. He won in college too. Totally underrated nowadays.
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Melo is coo, but other than one great year in 2009 he hasn't done anything in the nba. hes just a reg season king then the season ends with nothing to show for it.

Melo IMO probably has had one of the those most underwhelming careers for a player with his type of hype. I think hes been out the 1st round only 2 times?? in about 13 years hes been in the NBA.. thats pathetic
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Amazing that they can't figure out a way to make that group work. Payton/Oladipo/Fournier/Harris/Gordon/Vucevic sounds like a great young core. Balanced group, and Vucevic is the oldest of the bunch at 25. Plus they have Hezonia and Napier who both seem to have potential as well, in addition to being on track to get another lottery pick this year. Maybe I'm missing something, but if I were them, Harris wouldn't be going anywhere until they were certain it couldn't work with him and Gordon at the forward spots. Deal Channing Frye to a contender who can give you another asset--maybe a tough defensive PF/C--and keep building.
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No coaching stability since Van Gundy left....Skyles will grate on the young guys in another season..not exactly a players coach
 
Dan Marang said:
this is a 2 parter- 1 it shows how awful his post footwork is. 2 it shows how comfortable/confident he is taking a jumper over a guy 6'8"

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You're going to judge his footwork based upon a contested fadeaway high post jumper? It's a fade away. From the high post. It's late in the shot clock too...

Learn the game then post.
 
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