Oh fun: Another Obama Executive Order

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Obama Executive Order to Freeze Accounts

The latest executive order (EO) emanating from the White House October 9 now claims the power to freeze all bank accounts and stop any related financial transactions that a “sanctioned person” may own or try to perform — all in the name of “Iran Sanctions.”

Titled an “Executive Order from the President regarding Authorizing the Implementation of Certain Sanctions…” the order says that if an individual is declared by the president, the secretary of state, or the secretary of the treasury to be a “sanctioned person,” he (or she) will be unable to obtain access to his accounts, will be unable to process any loans (or make them), or move them to any other financial institution inside or outside the United States. In other words, his financial resources will have successfully been completely frozen. The EO expands its authority by making him unable to use any third party such as “a partnership, association, trust, joint venture, corporation, subgroup or other organization” that might wish to help him or allow him to obtain access to his funds.

And if the individual so “sanctioned” decides that the ruling is unfair, he isn't allowed to sue. In two words, the individual has successfully been robbed blind.

Wow well lets hope the government doesn't see you as a threat. They may just take all your money away; without you having any right to sue. YAY!!!!!

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Welcome to "1984".

 

[magnifier661]

Welcome to "1984".

It's insane man. Actions like this could scare people with money to create off shore accounts. Possibly even leave the country in fear of losing everything.

 

[maxiep]

I don't think you'll find many on the Left uncomfortable with President Obama's EOs, which is highly disingenuous. The problem is precedent is being set and when some socially conservative crazy right winger President does the same thing, folks on the Left are going to howl.

We have a separation of powers, all branches equal to the other. As was noted in the article, these EOs combine the Legislative, Executive and Judicial functions into one branch, with no check nor a balance. Nixon tried to create an Imperial Presidency, and became the most despised figure of his time by the Left. Obama takes the concept further than Nixon ever dreamed, and he's a hero. Be careful for what you wish.

 

[barfo]

It's funny how torturing terrorists is ok with the Right, but taking their money isn't ok.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

It's funny how torturing terrorists is ok with the Right, but taking their money isn't ok.

barfo

You're a terrorist (sanctioned person). Have fun with no money. No due process. No trial.

 

[magnifier661]

It's funny how torturing terrorists is ok with the Right, but taking their money isn't ok.

barfo

Terrorism is not funny. But what determins a terrorist? So the federal government won't need any true evidence to freeze a suspected terrorist? I mean the federal government can freeze any accounts before; but they just needed evidence to support the freezing. Now they can just suspect and freeze. Sounds very constitutional doesn't it?

 

[Eastoff]

Terrorism is not funny. But what determins a terrorist? So the federal government won't need any true evidence to freeze a suspected terrorist? I mean the federal government can freeze any accounts before; but they just needed evidence to support the freezing. Now they can just suspect and freeze. Sounds very constitutional doesn't it?

You don't need any evidence to torture someone either. I think barfo was just trying to point out that money is just another step in the same process that many presidents started.

 

[Denny Crane]

You don't need any evidence to torture someone either. I think barfo was just trying to point out that money is just another step in the same process that many presidents started.

There's a big difference between someone captured on the "battlefield" and someone minding their own business here in the USA.

 

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There's a big difference between someone captured on the "battlefield" and someone minding their own business here in the USA.

This

 

[Eastoff]

There's a big difference between someone captured on the "battlefield" and someone minding their own business here in the USA.

But they're not minding their own business! They are selling illegal goods to Iran!

 

[Denny Crane]

But they're not minding their own business! They are selling illegal goods to Iran!

Because they were accused of doing so and tried in a court? NO! and that's the problem.

 

[barfo]

There's a big difference between someone captured on the "battlefield" and someone minding their own business here in the USA.

In one case the government says they were doing bad things on the "battlefield", and in the other case the government says they were doing bad things with money. Why is the government more believable/trustworthy in one case than the other?

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

In one case the government says they were doing bad things on the "battlefield", and in the other case the government says they were doing bad things with money. Why is the government more believable/trustworthy in one case than the other?

barfo

Enemy soldiers are not US citizens, they were captured outside our borders, and its the right thing to let the military deal with POW situations.

If those enemies were shot dead on sight, it would have been accepted as casualties of war. If the people Obama steals from we're shot on sight, it'd be criminal - a high crime or misdemeanor.

Obama swore an oath to uphold the constitution. Since you think it's a living document, you probably have no problem with our "obsolete" Rights being eliminated.

 

[barfo]

Enemy soldiers are not US citizens, they were captured outside our borders, and its the right thing to let the military deal with POW situations.

Who says they were captured outside our borders? Who says they are not US citizens?

Oh yeah, the government you don't trust.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Who says they were captured outside our borders? Who says they are not US citizens?

Oh yeah, the government you don't trust.

barfo

So you think it's OK to trust the govt. in both cases? Figures.

In any case, there is documentation about the people captured outside our borders that the govt. can't control. That they're captured outside our borders, that is.

 

[Sinobas]

It's funny how torturing terrorists is ok with the Right, but taking their money isn't ok.

barfo

What I think is silly how, for the most part, people don't care when the president from "their side" does something, but only get their heckles up when it comes from the opposing party. Not saying that's true of anyone here, but I"ve noticed it in others.

Law enforcement already has the power to undermine someone's rights by coming after them as a "terrorist". They actually tried to bring terrorism charges against an American Journalist who was documenting the FEMA disaster after Hurricaine Katrina.

Fact is both Obama and Bush voted for the Patriot Act, and have continued a policy of recording every phone conversation, which many find to be unconstitutional.

 

[Sinobas]

This is a bigger issue IMO:

The US military can have an american citizen arrested and detained indefinitely. Now why on earth would they need that power? Totally unconstitutional. Both Bush and Obama signed this act.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

This is a bigger issue IMO:

The US military can have an american citizen arrested and detained indefinitely. Now why on earth would they need that power? Totally unconstitutional. Both Bush and Obama signed this act.

two good posts Sinobas

If you want to really have an idea how fuck Our constitutional rights are, look at the executive orders signed over the past 50 years...Our rights are an illusion..when the Gov wants, they can and will take control of everything

 

[MARIS61]

Enemy soldiers are not US citizens, they were captured outside our borders, and its the right thing to let the military deal with POW situations.

If those enemies were shot dead on sight, it would have been accepted as casualties of war. If the people Obama steals from we're shot on sight, it'd be criminal - a high crime or misdemeanor.

Obama swore an oath to uphold the constitution. Since you think it's a living document, you probably have no problem with our "obsolete" Rights being eliminated.

Many, if not most, of those tortured by the US as suspected terrorists were rounded up at their homes not any battlefield. Quite a few were kidnapped in America, and some were US citizens.

It's all the same game.

 

[barfo]

So you think it's OK to trust the govt. in both cases? Figures.

I guess I have the same level of trust in both cases. Neither amounts to complete trust or complete distrust.

In any case, there is documentation about the people captured outside our borders that the govt. can't control. That they're captured outside our borders, that is.

Yer tinfoil hat needs adjustment, man. You didn't pick up the radio signal on this one. The documentation is faked by the government, of course. There's nothing they can't control.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

I guess I have the same level of trust in both cases. Neither amounts to complete trust or complete distrust.



Yer tinfoil hat needs adjustment, man. You didn't pick up the radio signal on this one. The documentation is faked by the government, of course. There's nothing they can't control.

barfo

WikiLeaks is faked? Good to know.

 

[barfo]

WikiLeaks is faked? Good to know.

Don't you think it could be? How much effort would it really be to set up a WikiLeaks con? Maybe there is another reason he's hiding in an embassy?

Also... really, Wikileaks has evidence showing that every Gitmo detainee was captured on the battlefield? Do tell.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Don't you think it could be? How much effort would it really be to set up a WikiLeaks con? Maybe there is another reason he's hiding in an embassy?

Also... really, Wikileaks has evidence showing that every Gitmo detainee was captured on the battlefield? Do tell.

barfo

I think govt. is incompetent. It's politicians who are liars.

You are setting up some strawman that isn't my view of things.

To this day, I find it remarkable that the W administration kept telling us they didn't find WMDs in Iraq. Every time it was reported something was found, they came up with some reason why it wasn't WMDs.

Here's a list of Gitmo detainees, 558 of them. Knock yourself out figuring out which ones weren't caught on the battlefield (e.g. outside the USA):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Guantanamo_Bay_detainees

 

[Nikolokolus]

What I think is silly how, for the most part, people don't care when the president from "their side" does something, but only get their heckles up when it comes from the opposing party. Not saying that's true of anyone here, but I"ve noticed it in others.

Law enforcement already has the power to undermine someone's rights by coming after them as a "terrorist". They actually tried to bring terrorism charges against an American Journalist who was documenting the FEMA disaster after Hurricaine Katrina.

Fact is both Obama and Bush voted for the Patriot Act, and have continued a policy of recording every phone conversation, which many find to be unconstitutional.

There you have it.

 

[MARIS61]

Here's a list of Gitmo detainees, 558 of them. Knock yourself out figuring out which ones weren't caught on the battlefield (e.g. outside the USA):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Guantanamo_Bay_detainees

This list of Guantánamo detainees is compiled from various sources and is incomplete. It lists the known identities of detainees at the Guantanamo Bay detainment camp in Cuba. In official documents, the US Department of Defense (DoD) continues to make intermittent efforts to redact detainee's names, and has not published an official list of detainees...

 

[Denny Crane]

This list of Guantánamo detainees is compiled from various sources and is incomplete. It lists the known identities of detainees at the Guantanamo Bay detainment camp in Cuba. In official documents, the US Department of Defense (DoD) continues to make intermittent efforts to redact detainee's names, and has not published an official list of detainees...

Which leads me to assume they don't want to release the names. Which leads you to assume the government is reading your mind with mind reading ray guns.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

What I think is silly how, for the most part, people don't care when the president from "their side" does something, but only get their heckles up when it comes from the opposing party. Not saying that's true of anyone here, but I"ve noticed it in others.

Law enforcement already has the power to undermine someone's rights by coming after them as a "terrorist". They actually tried to bring terrorism charges against an American Journalist who was documenting the FEMA disaster after Hurricaine Katrina.

Fact is both Obama and Bush voted for the Patriot Act, and have continued a policy of recording every phone conversation, which many find to be unconstitutional.

I'll jump on board with thinking this is a good post.

I especially agree with the first part, people tend to accept these kind of actions from a president they like. Maybe it is because they trust these kinds of orders when they trust the president, but in any event, both sides do this and there will always be someone from the other side complaining about it.