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SlyPokerDog said:
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Now that would be hilarious. twitter would have to be shut down as this clown would go berserk.
 
ABM said:
As I had already mentioned, Nashville LOVES the Opportunity Zones!
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Ben Carson is well aware of the complaints directed at federal Opportunity Zones, and how the tax incentive program meant to boost struggling communities may only end up benefiting rich investors and developers.

On Friday, Carson, the Secretary of the Department of Housing and Urban Development, offered his frank assessment of that belief.

“Some people have complained, and said, ‘This is just a mechanism for rich people to get richer,’” he said during a morning talk at the Marriott Hotel in Brooklyn. “Um, news flash, rich people are going to get richer anyway.”
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Sounds legit.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Sounds legit.

barfo
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capitalism is great and can be affected either negatively or positively by consumers/customers. Where else can a young person earn the kind of money that pro athletes do here in USA.
They wouldn't get paid unless there was a market for it and a machine (like NBA) that drives it to the consumer, you guys and I.
Consumer are smarter these days than ever before because of the internet information readily available and competition. Im sure most in here pay for an internet connection and/or even pay for cable or dish. Im one of them, and I know every month I pay my bill its mainly entertainmnet dollars spent and I realize that somewhere stock holders or sole owners are making a bundle, but thats cool as long as I feel I'm getting some value out of my cost. I don't purchase foo foo coffees like 95% of younger people that spend $50/$75 a month on, as its my choice but its also their choice. Think of the money that the founder of starbucks and others are making because of the free choice in consumerism. Plus it creates jobs, so you can spend more on coffee or whatever extravagant purchase you want.
You think Lanny would want to move from Lake O to Lents? his choice
 
Hoopguru said:
capitalism is great and can be affected either negatively or positively by consumers/customers. Where else can a young person earn the kind of money that pro athletes do here in USA.
They wouldn't get paid unless there was a market for it and a machine (like NBA) that drives it to the consumer, you guys and I.
Consumer are smarter these days than ever before because of the internet information readily available and competition. Im sure most in here pay for an internet connection and/or even pay for cable or dish. Im one of them, and I know every month I pay my bill its mainly entertainmnet dollars spent and I realize that somewhere stock holders or sole owners are making a bundle, but thats cool as long as I feel I'm getting some value out of my cost. I don't purchase foo foo coffees like 95% of younger people that spend $50/$75 a month on, as its my choice but its also their choice. Think of the money that the founder of starbucks and others are making because of the free choice in consumerism. Plus it creates jobs, so you can spend more on coffee or whatever extravagant purchase you want.
You think Lanny would want to move from Lake O to Lents? his choice
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Capitalism is indeed great, but we are talking about a government program here, not the free market.

barfo
 
CupWizier said:
as long as the rich get richer then it's all cool. Gotta love this administrations looking out for the rich and turning their head to the needy.
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There's the legitimately needy, and then there's the wanty. I'm not in favor of free handouts for the lazy......irrespective of skin color.
 
ABM said:
There's the legitimately needy, and then there's the wanty. I'm not in favor of free handouts for the lazy......irrespective of skin color.
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Pretty sure the 1%'ers profiting from this administration qualify as the wanty rather than the needy.... irrespective of their skin color, which is almost uniformly white.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Pretty sure the 1%'ers profiting from this administration qualify as the wanty rather than the needy.... irrespective of their skin color, which is almost uniformly white.

barfo
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They also have the wherewithal, savvy, etc. to amass this wealth, create more jobs, and the like. Shoot, barfo, even YOU have that same opportunity! You tell me what would be stopping you.
 
ABM said:
They also have the wherewithal, savvy, etc. to amass this wealth, create more jobs, and the like. Shoot, barfo, even YOU have that same opportunity! You tell me what would be stopping you.
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Who says anything is stopping him? Profit isn't the end all, be all of a healthy society...Trump now wants to take away public assistance from the poor who are holding green cards...he's not hurting the poor parents as much as the children...today he's gutting wildlife protection...something China did under Mao that let them turn the entire country into a desert and their watersheds into mud....there are almost no birds to be found anymore in urban China.....they've eaten them all. It does open the doors for mega developers to do land grabs....Trump's new BLM chief wants to start selling off BLM land.....I hope a mountain lion moves into his backyard...we're supposed to live in harmony with the land here, not dominate it and escalate the price of real estate.....we don't need more golf courses in my view...prepare yourself to live in a country without Nat'l parks to enjoy...better visit Yellowstone before it's a parking lot.....I want the govt to update the power grid, not ruin the land
 
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ABM said:
They also have the wherewithal, savvy, etc. to amass this wealth, create more jobs, and the like. Shoot, barfo, even YOU have that same opportunity! You tell me what would be stopping you.
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Nothing is stopping me, and I'm not asking the federal government for a handout. Why are you in favor of welfare for the wanty rich?

barfo
 
ABM said:
There's the legitimately needy, and then there's the wanty. I'm not in favor of free handouts for the lazy......irrespective of skin color.
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Except this administration doesn't differentiate.
 
ABM said:
There's the legitimately needy, and then there's the wanty. I'm not in favor of free handouts for the lazy......irrespective of skin color.
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Strangely the only folks I see in Eugene looking for handouts are white, mostly middle aged men....overwhelmingly so....they also have grocery carts and more often than not...an expensive, well fed dog
 
ABM said:
There's the legitimately needy, and then there's the wanty. I'm not in favor of free handouts for the lazy......irrespective of skin color.
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The needy are the poor and the wanty are the rich wanting to get richer. I'm not in favor of the rich getting handouts either...irrespective of skin color of course.
 
Chris Craig said:
The needy are the poor and the wanty are the rich wanting to get richer. I'm not in favor of the rich getting handouts either...irrespective of skin color of course.
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There are poor that need assurance, there are those that just want to milk the system that are capable & there are rich that are always looking to get richer.
Government assistance programs are ok as long as they are managed and measured properly. Good lord over the course of time many government programs have been mis managed and not accountable, regardless of party in control. Big massive centralized programs must be efficient, effective and accountable.
 
Hoopguru said:
There are poor that need assurance, there are those that just want to milk the system that are capable & there are rich that are always looking to get richer.
Government assistance programs are ok as long as they are managed and measured properly. Good lord over the course of time many government programs have been mis managed and not accountable, regardless of party in control. Big massive centralized programs must be efficient, effective and accountable.
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The govt spends a fortune on military research...often billions to experiment on a plane that never flies....the military is a perfect example of mismanaged money....you know why we leave tanks and trucks and jeeps in countries we leave? So they can buy more from defense contractors.....people spend a huge fortune in this country on entertainment. Those same people aren't stressed financially by public assistance for poor people or victims of circumstance.....you taking the welfare away from victims of Hurricane Katrina who lost homes? Factory workers who's jobs moved? Public assistance is sustainable in this society...it's all a matter of your value system. Unfortunately it looks to me like the Trump camp wants to price poorer people out of the country. Wants to gentrify America and payoff hookers while banking in Germany...sheesh. I'm completely disgusted at the culture Trump has brought to the capital. You want a useless wall at the price of a hungry child or a kid needing a kidney? One thing for sure....after Trump we DO need to make America great again...
 
Sales tax works ….you consume you kick in to the kitty....Taiwan funded their national healthcare system with a 6% sales tax across the board....if you work there for the first six months on a work permit you pay 26 percent income tax and it drops back to 6% if you live and work there more than half of every fiscal year. Oregon is losing a fortune with no sales tax and if you don't own property, smoke, drink or gamble you basically don't pay much tax on anything else...well...gas has a tax
 
riverman said:
The govt spends a fortune on military research...often billions to experiment on a plane that never flies....the military is a perfect example of mismanaged money....you know why we leave tanks and trucks and jeeps in countries we leave? So they can buy more from defense contractors.....people spend a huge fortune in this country on entertainment. Those same people aren't stressed financially by public assistance for poor people or victims of circumstance.....you taking the welfare away from victims of Hurricane Katrina who lost homes? Factory workers who's jobs moved? Public assistance is sustainable in this society...it's all a matter of your value system. Unfortunately it looks to me like the Trump camp wants to price poorer people out of the country. Wants to gentrify America and payoff hookers while banking in Germany...sheesh. I'm completely disgusted at the culture Trump has brought to the capital. You want a useless wall at the price of a hungry child or a kid needing a kidney? One thing for sure....after Trump we DO need to make America great again...
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I agree in thats its about values and be belief system along with a solid plan of action. I agree the government both state and fed have a lot a room to improve on accountability and fiscal responsibility. I shared on here one time about the State of Oregon Emergency Services division in Salem stockpiling generator sets because they need to use their current fiscal year budget so they would get an increase for the next.
See, I think that is like stealing when the funds could have been used elsewhere. The problem is bureaucracy so big and everyone wanting to justify their existence for employment it breeds inefficiency and bad management with zero accountability. You could run a private company that way or it would doomed from the start.
Im a firm believer in helping those in need and I do support non profit kids hospitals and veteran non profits.
 
Hoopguru said:
The problem is bureaucracy so big and everyone wanting to justify their existence for employment it breeds inefficiency and bad management with zero accountability. You could run a private company that way or it would doomed from the start.
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It's odd that people believe that private companies are somehow more efficient and more accountable and better managed than government. It isn't true, when companies get big they have the same issues.

barfo
 
barfo said:
It's odd that people believe that private companies are somehow more efficient and more accountable and better managed than government. It isn't true, when companies get big they have the same issues.

barfo
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Sure some big companies are mismanaged, have their own red tape and whatnot, but they actively work at better processes because it's better for their bottom line. The Government doesn't because they don't care, if the process is bad, they have no incentive to fix it.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Sure some big companies are mismanaged, have their own red tape and whatnot, but they actively work at better processes because it's better for their bottom line. The Government doesn't because they don't care, if the process is bad, they have no incentive to fix it.
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I don't agree. Of course the corporation as a whole works towards a better bottom line, but the government as a whole works towards 'better' services (I put better in quotes because the definition of better is less well defined). Individual/department/divisional fiefdoms, lazy employees, poor communication, poor decisionmaking, etc. affect both types of organizations.

And many, many companies are mismanaged straight into bankruptcy, despite 'actively working at better processes'.

barfo
 
ABM said:
They also have the wherewithal, savvy, etc. to amass this wealth, create more jobs, and the like. Shoot, barfo, even YOU have that same opportunity! You tell me what would be stopping you.
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yes, trickle down economics. totally working
 
barfo said:
It's odd that people believe that private companies are somehow more efficient and more accountable and better managed than government. It isn't true, when companies get big they have the same issues.

barfo
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agree, but it does depend on the company. Sure, they can be mis managed or unaccountable and maybe hang around a bit but sooner or later they will with go out of business or sell.
Expectations for products and services along with competition should improve performance especially if they are measured objectively.
Ive seen companies that centralize operations to save cost but their level of service dropped off to where they lost business.
 
barfo said:
It's odd that people believe that private companies are somehow more efficient and more accountable and better managed than government. It isn't true, when companies get big they have the same issues.

barfo
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To me its about having good relationships with customers and earning the right to do business with them.
 
ABM said:
Yeah, let's tax them a 60%. That'll show 'em! That's the ticket.....
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It would help if they actually banked here where the problem is...tax shelters are usually overseas.
 
barfo said:
I don't agree. Of course the corporation as a whole works towards a better bottom line, but the government as a whole works towards 'better' services (I put better in quotes because the definition of better is less well defined). Individual/department/divisional fiefdoms, lazy employees, poor communication, poor decisionmaking, etc. affect both types of organizations.

And many, many companies are mismanaged straight into bankruptcy, despite 'actively working at better processes'.

barfo
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Hasnt the government mis managed itself way past “bankruptcy”, are theyserving people better now than... they were at some other time!
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Hasnt the government mis managed itself way past “bankruptcy”, are theyserving people better now than... they were at some other time!
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I don't know that that's true (that the government is the equivalent of bankrupt). Yes, it has lots of debt, but then lots of corporations that are not bankrupt also have lots of debt.

Are government services better now than in some past time? Yes, definitely. Maybe not as compared with a couple of years ago, but as compared to 50 or 100 years ago? In terms of customers served and services provided, I'd say definitely.

barfo
 
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