Okay nerds, let's talk science fiction!

[magnifier661]

I've always been a nerd about "time travel". It's been something that fascinates me. I picture a person able to be in a 5th dimension; visioning futures and such. But this person just has the ability to see all futures. Basically a universe time map reader.

Anyway, there is this theory that if a person was able to travel back in time; they cannot do something in the traveled past reality to change their future reality.

Example: If we were able to travel back in time and decided to kill Hilter, that this change would alter all of the present; maybe even events that could make you never exist. What actually happens is another timeline with the new events take place in the universe. A world where Hilter never existed forks off. When we travel back to our present; nothing changes.

I really find this interesting and can get a grasp on it. There could be millions of us throughout the universe. That we are somewhat connected; but at a molecular level. I can't remember where I read or heard this, but I seem to remember that an atom actually have an exact copy of itself at any time at any part of the universe.

 

[julius]

I wish I could time travel (and not just tell myself not to read this thread..)..

But not to change history, but to revisit things, and steal shit.

 

[julius]

I wish I could time travel (and not just tell myself not to read this thread..)..

But not to change history, but to revisit things, and steal shit.

Btw, how cool would it be to steal something from the future, bring it to the past and sell it? (think ST:Voyage Home where Kirk sells glasses that Bones got him as a gift in the future)..

And the cool thing is, there's no way to find out who stole it if you left and went back in time.

 

[BlazerWookee]

Marilyn McCoo was in the fifth dimension, wasn't she?

 

[BlazerWookee]

I wish I could time travel (and not just tell myself not to read this thread..)..

But not to change history, but to revisit things, and steal shit.

I made it half way through Time Bandits last night before my internet connection froze and I decided to go to sleep...

 

[julius]

I made it half way through Time Bandits last night before my internet connection froze and I decided to go to sleep...

That is a hard movie to follow.

 

[Denny Crane]

I picture time as a sort of river. It flows. As it flows, it branches constantly to form parallel time tracks. The branches occur for every event that occurs - like a butterfly flapping its wings. But even more granular to the point the butterfly's wings move the tiniest smidge while flapping its wings.

Once you get this much, you can envision such an infinite number of parallel tracks. Some are nearly identical to others while others are radically different much later on.

So if you could go back in time, you'd be visiting not your own track but one that's very similar. At the broadest level, there's two tracks - one where you do travel back and one where you don't. See?

If you do go back in time and kill your grandfather, you create a branch (the killing is an event) of time where your grandfather (and thus you) don't exist. There is no paradox because you still exist in your time tracks. There'd just be an infinite number of tracks with you and an infinite number without you.

If my view of time is true, then we could at some point go back in time and see "what if?" scenarios unfold. What if someone did kill Hitler before WW II, for example.

 

[BlazerWookee]

I HAVE TRAVELED THROUGH TIME, FROM FAR INTO YOUR FUTURE! I COME TO TELL YOU THAT TIME TRAVEL IS NOT POSSIBLE!

 

[magnifier661]

I picture time as a sort of river. It flows. As it flows, it branches constantly to form parallel time tracks. The branches occur for every event that occurs - like a butterfly flapping its wings. But even more granular to the point the butterfly's wings move the tiniest smidge while flapping its wings.

Once you get this much, you can envision such an infinite number of parallel tracks. Some are nearly identical to others while others are radically different much later on.

So if you could go back in time, you'd be visiting not your own track but one that's very similar. At the broadest level, there's two tracks - one where you do travel back and one where you don't. See?

If you do go back in time and kill your grandfather, you create a branch (the killing is an event) of time where your grandfather (and thus you) don't exist. There is no paradox because you still exist in your time tracks. There'd just be an infinite number of tracks with you and an infinite number without you.

If my view of time is true, then we could at some point go back in time and see "what if?" scenarios unfold. What if someone did kill Hitler before WW II, for example.

This is how I see it too. And even though our present can't be changed; we could experiment with different events to learn from our mistakes. Basically going through a series of event trials until the future event we want would happen.

 

[Denny Crane]

This is how I see it too. And even though our present can't be changed; we could experiment with different events to learn from our mistakes. Basically going through a series of event trials until the future event we want would happen.

You could not live in a future where you altered the past. There might be an alternate time track you that experiences the future you caused by altering some past event.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I haven't time for this thread.

 

[magnifier661]

You could not live in a future where you altered the past. There might be an alternate time track you that experiences the future you caused by altering some past event.

No I understand that. What I'm saying is we could observe the new future, not live in that future, then go back to our present and use what we observe to give our future the best possible future.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

The Twilight Zone is the 5th dimension, duh

 

[crowTrobot]

I picture time as a sort of river. It flows. As it flows, it branches constantly to form parallel time tracks. The branches occur for every event that occurs - like a butterfly flapping its wings. But even more granular to the point the butterfly's wings move the tiniest smidge while flapping its wings.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation

 

[Denny Crane]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Many-worlds_interpretation

I never claimed it is my invention. I just explained it the way I understand it.

 

[crowTrobot]

I never claimed it is my invention.

didn't say you did. just thought you'd be interested in the QM version if you weren't aware of it.

 

[Eastoff]

New topic, clones. Would you allow a clone of yourself?

 

[magnifier661]

New topic, clones. Would you allow a clone of yourself?

100% welcome it. Why? Because I want to see if a clone would still have a soul.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

100% welcome it. Why? Because I want to see if a clone would still have a soul.

How could you tell?

 

[magnifier661]

How could you tell?

If you completely clone yourself, physically copying your entire self; then you should come out exactly the same. Meaning, you would already know how to talk, communicate like you do; feel the same and love all the memories.

Science said these are all firings of the brain. Just as you would copy an entire computer, software included, the computer will work exactly the same as the one before it.

If my clone came out with no personality like mine; then the behavior is that the clone needs more than just the flesh to be conscious.

 

[Eastoff]

If you completely clone yourself, physically copying your entire self; then you should come out exactly the same. Meaning, you would already know how to talk, communicate like you do; feel the same and love all the memories.

Science said these are all firings of the brain. Just as you would copy an entire computer, software included, the computer will work exactly the same as the one before it.

If my clone came out with no personality like mine; then the behavior is that the clone needs more than just the flesh to be conscious.

you would only be the same for that first few seconds. After that, you would start having different experiences. One is the original and one is the clone. The clone would know it's not the original and that changes how it thinks. Changing how it thinks can cause anxiety and this can cause physical symptoms too.

 

[magnifier661]

you would only be the same for that first few seconds. After that, you would start having different experiences. One is the original and one is the clone. The clone would know it's not the original and that changes how it thinks. Changing how it thinks can cause anxiety and this can cause physical symptoms too.

Yes, but if the clone came out being dumb with no memory of the life before clone; then it implies.

 

[Eastoff]

Yes, but if the clone came out being dumb with no memory of the life before clone; then it implies.

Then it implies what?

ps this is relevant to your original discussion.
http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2920#comic

 

[Denny Crane]

A clone is a being with the same DNA as the original. It's not an exact copy. Identical twins are technically clones of one another.

If you could somehow manipulate atoms in a way to exactly duplicate the number, position, makeup, composition, etc., of every atom in one person's body, who knows what you'd end up with. My guess is the copy's heart wouldn't beat.

 

[magnifier661]

Then it implies what?

ps this is relevant to your original discussion.
http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=2920#comic

That there is more than just genetic evolution for learned behavior, intelligence and conscience.