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KingAlbertoJrSpeed said:
Wow. That definitely supports what I am seeing out there.
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This guy is a prophet!
And, in six months, when he’s languishing on the bench of some other team while the Celtics don’t look like they miss him, I won’t say I told you so. I will just be happy that I don’t have to watch Evan Turner anymore.
 
Sinobas said:
http://paceandspacehoops.com/posts/6966043/celtics-fan-confessional--why-evan-turner-sucks.html
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I was worried a long time ago reading stuff out of Boston about Turner. Here is the problem in a nutshell: "He’s not fast enough to get to the rim consistently, so he settles for a steady diet of contested mid range jumpers. He doesn’t generate enough free throw attempts (he averaged an anemic 1.7 FTA/game). He’s a plodding dribbler with a tendency to turn it over (his turnover percentage last season was 19.7 percent), but since he’s not a good catch-and-shoot player, he needs the ball to be effective. He’s a good passer when he wants to be, but he also gets too focused on getting his own shots and often misses wide-open players standing in the corner as he tries to force it in the basket against a triple team. Worst of all, while he’s quite good at guarding the 1 and 2, who are consistently smaller than him, he can’t stay in front of faster players and he gets absolutely dominated by larger 3s."
 
He started his career a bust, it took him years to live up to being the 2nd pick. It's possible that it takes him a long time to get comfortable and being on a new team, in a new situation, with the burden of having to live up to the expectations of his new contract, maybe it makes him uneasy, could be his personality.
But I still believe in him and would want us to stay patient, I think once he settles into his role could be a real fan favorite. I think he is a good fit with this team but if we're going to countdown to when he's eligible for a trade we'd miss out on him and wouldn't get anywhere near good value for him
 
South East said:
No way in hell he gets traded. His value is soooooo shitty right now. That contract makes him worse then an injury prone player.
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Sadly, I'm afraid that may be the case. Now Portland has 2 backup SFs signed to the tune of over $140 million. Thank goodness Roy Hibbert got signed away somewhere else or Olshey would really be on a bad stretch with the bigger contracts. He's okay with getting the cheap guys no one else wants but the money offered to Hibbert, Turner, Crabbe, Leonard........DAMN!
 
TBpup said:
Sadly, I'm afraid that may be the case. Now Portland has 2 backup SFs signed to the tune of over $140 million. Thank goodness Roy Hibbert got signed away somewhere else or Olshey would really be on a bad stretch with the bigger contracts. He's okay with getting the cheap guys no one else wants but the money offered to Hibbert, Turner, Crabbe, Leonard........DAMN!
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Leonard signing is decent. However limit d he is, he still has a unique skillset that is in high demand, and in today's market value, it's a serviceable contract.
 
I say this in all seriousness: I think we need Lillard and CJ to go down with minor injuries for a little bit. Then we can hand the reins to Turner in extended minutes (and get Crabbe all the shots he wants and also expand Layman's minutes). We'd lose a lot, but as things are going we're going to be in the unhappy valley of losing just enough to scrape into the playoffs (and we can't hope that the team we face will have its two best players go down, and we've learned what they can do to us when they're healthy).

Either Turner will continue to look awful, in which case we're fucked (but maybe Stotts will have the balls to give more minutes to Crabbe/Layman/Napier) or he'll look quite good, in which case HE'S TRADEABLE!
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I say this in all seriousness: I think we need Lillard and CJ to go down with minor injuries for a little bit. Then we can hand the reins to Turner in extended minutes (and get Crabbe all the shots he wants and also expand Layman's minutes). We'd lose a lot, but as things are going we're going to be in the unhappy valley of losing just enough to scrape into the playoffs (and we can't hope that the team we face will have its two best players go down, and we've learned what they can do to us when they're healthy).

Either Turner will continue to look awful, in which case we're fucked (but maybe Stotts will have the balls to give more minutes to Crabbe/Layman/Napier) or he'll look quite good, in which case HE'S TRADEABLE!
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Megaboooooooooooooo!!!!!!!

Where's the green font????

Man. Hoping our guys go down with injuries??? Go knock on wood. Minor can turn to major just like that!!!!

Holy crap you should take that poop back!!!!!
 
Orion Bailey said:
Megaboooooooooooooo!!!!!!!

Where's the green font????

Man. Hoping our guys go down with injuries??? Go knock on wood. Minor can turn to major just like that!!!!

Holy crap you should take that poop back!!!!!
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I didn't wish for them to go down with injuries. I wished for their minutes to be freed up and thought of the least bad way that could happen. This is called the doctrine of double effect. (It's how Catholic Priests allow abortion to save the life of the mother.)
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I say this in all seriousness: I think we need Lillard and CJ to go down with minor injuries for a little bit. Then we can hand the reins to Turner in extended minutes (and get Crabbe all the shots he wants and also expand Layman's minutes). We'd lose a lot, but as things are going we're going to be in the unhappy valley of losing just enough to scrape into the playoffs (and we can't hope that the team we face will have its two best players go down, and we've learned what they can do to us when they're healthy).

Either Turner will continue to look awful, in which case we're fucked (but maybe Stotts will have the balls to give more minutes to Crabbe/Layman/Napier) or he'll look quite good, in which case HE'S TRADEABLE!
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But Turner is not a guard (and neither is Crabbe), he's a SF.
You can't expect him to play out of position and then get angry at him for disappointing
 
Harkless simply has taken the SF job. He beat out Turner and Crabbe.

Turner will be fine in the long run. We need what he brings on the 2nd unit and in certain match ups.

Stotts needs to use him a bit more effectively. That will come.

Turner needs to fit into Stotts' system more effectively. That will come, too.
 
Denny Crane said:
Harkless simply has taken the SF job. He beat out Turner and Crabbe.

Turner will be fine in the long run. We need what he brings on the 2nd unit and in certain match ups.

Stotts needs to use him a bit more effectively. That will come.

Turner needs to fit into Stotts' system more effectively. That will come, too.
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I would rather play Harkless with Crabbe or Turner at the 3/4 in small-ball than Crabbe and Turner at 2/3 in big-ball

Harkless, Turner, Crabbe at the 2/3/4 could actually maybe work
 
Celtics don't have the cap for him, they would have to send us someone and honestly there is nobody there I like. I mean, Amir Johnson?
 
Is there any team that would trade for him? I think the only chances would be Boston or Milwaukee. Boston's star player says they really miss him. Stevens and Ainge have enough ego that they think they can make much better use of him. But Danny also likes to have cap space for his next deal; if he had to trade Amir Johnson's and Jerebko's expiring deals, I don't see him doing it even if we throw in a draft pick. He wants to add a big player via trade or free agency. He won't do this deal.
And how would that help us; I don't think we would have much cap space even after those guys deals expired. Milwaukee would actually gain a little cap apace if we traded Turner for Monroe, but they would be stuck with two extra years and do they have a great need for a Turner? This would require at least one draft pick to them. Here at least we would get something useful out of the deal. But I think Monroe is more valuable as a backup to them than Turner would be; they don't take this deal either.

What does that leave. 1. Try to somehow make him into a decent spotup shooter, or 2. use him ten minutes a game as a ball dominator when Lillard or McCollum need a little bit of rest on the court. Make the game simpler at those times in order to cut down his turnovers. 3. Hope that there will be an amnesty clause in the new NBA contract.
I think we need to look for new solutions to the problem in the playoffs when teams double-team Lillard or McCollum. By playing Turner less, we can give Crabbe a chance to improve his ball skills. Also keep working with Plumlee to improve his midrange shot.
 
He would be terrible fit at Milwaukee because they need a shooter and he is anything but. They already have a small forward slash point guard playmaker and he is so much better than Turner it's unthinkable.

There are a few teams that could take him. I am sure there are. Surely? Well Kings for one could use him.
 
OK, I'll throw in one more trade: Turner, Leonard, Crabbe, Vonleh, two first round picks for Cousins, Gay and Afflalo.
 
Kings might say no to that, though I would expect a yes. Would rather give them Plumlee than Vonleh and it would be better for them too.

If Boston like Turner so much they can give us Crowder for him. Or Brooklyn's pick, we can throw one of our future picks to make it even. Not a chance they will part with the pick to get a player that they could have resigned last year, obviously.
 
I think Dame and Stotts look at Plumlee as THEIR starting center period....Stotts loves the guy...says great things about him even if he doesn't have a great game...his screens are what Dame loves...maybe Stotts sees a bit of Terry Stotts the basketball player in Mason...(and the creepy fixed it for you replies start in 1..2...3)
 
riverman said:
I'm not a fan of this move
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That would be a really tough decision. First they would have to make the decision that Turner absolutely wasn't going to work out here. Then that chances are neither Leonard or Vonleh were ever going to be the complete package. Then that they believed Cousins would give 100% all the time if he came here. It would be risky, but I would be tempted.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
That would be a really tough decision. First they would have to make the decision that Turner absolutely wasn't going to work out here. Then that chances are neither Leonard or Vonleh were ever going to be the complete package. Then that they believed Cousins would give 100% all the time if he came here. It would be risky, but I would be tempted.
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Wouldn't both our first and second units be stronger offensively? With Damien, CJ and Cousins on the first team, any offensive deficiencies of Aminu or Harkless wouldn't matter. The second team would be CJ, Gay, Napier and Plumlee. Ed Davis or Layman as the fifth man, depending on matchups. Who would go in with Damien when CJ comes out? That's where Crabbe would be missed, oh wait I forgot AAflalo would be coming to us in the trade. Of course, I think the second unit would be stronger just by the elimination of Turner and more Napier and Layman, so that might be simpler.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Wouldn't both our first and second units be stronger offensively? With Damien, CJ and Cousins on the first team, any offensive deficiencies of Aminu or Harkless wouldn't matter. The second team would be CJ, Gay, Napier and Plumlee. Ed Davis or Layman as the fifth man, depending on matchups. Who would go in with Damien when CJ comes out? That's where Crabbe would be missed, oh wait I forgot AAflalo would be coming to us in the trade. Of course, I think the second unit would be stronger just by the elimination of Turner and more Napier and Layman, so that might be simpler.
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I just read an article about Boogie that said no GM wants him...he has a horrible locker room presence and is confrontational with everybody...coaches, teammates, refs, management.....not sure we want this in Portland when you could find a 20/10 nice guy out there for probably less money
 
riverman said:
I just read an article about Boogie that said no GM wants him...he has a horrible locker room presence and is confrontational with everybody...coaches, teammates, refs, management.....not sure we want this in Portland when you could find a 20/10 nice guy out there for probably less money
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Who would that be? DMC isn't even doing that. Close those (9 rbs/game). Not saying I am all aboard the Boogie train but those guys don't grow on trees.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
I guess 20 and 10 was a round-up? He averages 12.7 points a game.

DMC has his faults for sure but he does play some decent D. Vucevic is pretty lost at it.
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I haven't followed him this season but I watched him the last couple .....saw him get 23 pts and 23 rebounds one game...I never saw him play a game without a double double....I think he's a perfect fit for Stotts system
 
riverman said:
I haven't followed him this season but I watched him the last couple .....saw him get 23 pts and 23 rebounds one game...I never saw him play a game without a double double....I think he's a perfect fit for Stotts system
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He has the shooting range that would work well in Stotts' system. However, defense needs more of an upgrade than offense. Will Vucevic help our D?
 
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