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MM- you have no evidence that we're actually average. Just what the national media said before the season. The real experts are saying we're a contender. Plus we're 16-3. Plus we beat SA and Indy. Plus we won in GS and Denver. Plus we have best road record: plus we're 10-0 in back to backs. Wins against SA and Indy were on second of back to back. There is lots of evidence that we're for real. Almost no evidence that we're not.
 
e_blazer said:
I've got no problem with you having a different opinion, but you tend to put your opinion out there as being the only realistic one and paint those who have more optimistic views as blind sheep homers. With each passing win by the Blazers, it would seem to be harder and harder to take your view as the "realistic" one.

And, BTW, if you object to people calling you a troll, you might want to consider a different avatar. I miss the Sergeant Schultz one.
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I changed it because of those people. I tried to keep with Blazers colors.
 
KingSpeed said:
MM- you have no evidence that we're actually average. Just what the national media said before the season. The real experts are saying we're a contender. Plus we're 16-3. Plus we beat SA and Indy. Plus we won in GS and Denver. Plus we have best road record: plus we're 10-0 in back to backs. Wins against SA and Indy were on second of back to back. There is lots of evidence that we're for real. Almost no evidence that we're not.
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And if the season ended today, I would agree with you completely.
 
We're much more likely to go 60-22 now than we are to be 41-41. Truth.
 
Mediocre Man said:
And if the season ended today, I would agree with you completely.
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If the season ended today, you're opinion wouldn't matter either way. What evidence do you have that we'll go 25-38 the rest of the way?
 
Mediocre Man said:
And if the season ended today, I would agree with you completely.
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My win prediction before the season was 47-35. If we went .500 for the rest of the way we'll finish 47.5-34.5. I'm tempted to change my prediction now, but I'm going to wait until we've played 41 games.

Is there a point at which you will revise your win estimate based on current record/level of play?
 
Wizard Mentor said:
My win prediction before the season was 47-35. If we went .500 for the rest of the way we'll finish 47.5-34.5. I'm tempted to change my prediction now, but I'm going to wait until we've played 41 games.

Is there a point at which you will revise your win estimate based on current record/level of play?
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As stated like 1000 times, after the all-star break.
 
KingSpeed said:
We're much more likely to go 60-22 now than we are to be 41-41. Truth.
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This is the thing that surprises me most on the season. Easy wins, hard wins, home or road a win or loss counts the same in the final ledger. At almost 1/4 of the season we have roughly 1/2 the wins we did last year (33). If we became a .500 team the rest of the way thats 30 more wins to add to our 16. Giving us a total of 46.

Even in the tough West I don't think anyone sees Portland as a .500 team. So achieving 50+ wins is highly probable. In almost any season 50+ wins is pretty Damn good. Typically flirting with home court advantage. Contenders flirt with and achieve 60+ wins.

There area lot of games left to play, but the outlook hasn't been this bright or the potential this high in years. Plenty to be excited and hopeful about!
 
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I'm all for analytics, predictions, news articles, and what have you. At the end of the day i'm a fan, I enjoy watching the Portland Trailblazers, period. It's not often you get to watch a team have the start that we've had so i'm enjoying it. The excitement i've felt watching the past month of basketball couldn't be tarnished even if we didn't win another game all year. I'm not speaking TO anyone in particular, but I feel like so many people get wrapped up in being right or a forum warrior that they don't just sit back and enjoy watching basketball, which is why we're all here in the first place. The internet, advanced statistics, fantasy basketball/football are all a blessing and a curse.
 
Mediocre Man said:
It's the fucking stupidest thing to say someone is wrong about how they feel the team will end the season of 82 games after 19 games.
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Ever heard of Pat Riley?

Assistant coach No. 2

In short: This assistant says the Blazers' mix of top talent, great coaching and toughness makes them legit.

"The Blazers are for real. I always use the Pat Riley rule. Every year he would evaluate the team and the league after 20 games because typically over your first 10 games there's a bad team that plays good or a good team that struggles. But after 20 games things start evening out, and we're coming up on 20 right now.
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http://sportstwo.com/threads/252024...assistant-coaches-and-a-scout)-On-the-Blazers
 
Rx2web said:
This is the thing that surprises me most on the season. Easy wins, hard wins, home or road a win or loss counts the same in the final ledger. At almost 1/4 of the season we have roughly 1/2 the wins we did last year (33). If we became a .500 team the rest of the way thats 30 more wins to add to our 16. Giving us a total of 46.

Even in the tough West I don't think anyone sees Portland as a .500 team. So achieving 50+ wins is highly probable. In almost any season 50+ wins is pretty Damn good. Typically flirting with home court advantage. Contenders flirt with and achieve 60+ wins.

There area lot of games left to play, but the outlook hasn't been this bright or the potential this high in years. Plenty to be excited and hopeful about!
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Actually, we technically can't go .500 the rest of the way. The best we can do is 31-32 or 32-31, which results in a total of 47-48 wins. Not 46. I know it's arguing over minor details, but the difference between 46 wins and 48 wins could be a seed or two (or not making the playoffs).
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Actually, we technically can't go .500 the rest of the way. The best we can do is 31-32 or 32-31, which results in a total of 47-48 wins. Not 46. I know it's arguing over minor details, but the difference between 46 wins and 48 wins could be a seed or two (or not making the playoffs).
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Plus, where would this forum be without arguing over minor details?
 
Mediocre Man said:
Everyone happy. Talking basketball was much more fun.

Mods, please edit this as well as all the posts calling me a troll and calling me stupid.

Yep, this is way more fun than talking basketball. congrats guys.....insert vicitim post in 3...2...
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Sorry, I somehow missed it. When, exactly did you attempt to talk basketball in this thread? You stated your opinion (the team that is currently 16-3 is average and will finish the season as an average team), but provided no data to support that claim - nothing about strength of schedule, margin of victory, nothing about how or why we will end up with an average record. You realize to end up average, the team that is currently 16-3 and has won over 84% of their games to date would need to go 25-38 (.397) over the remaining 63 games to finish at .500 (average). You also realize that that is a worse winning percentage that last year's 33-win team (.402), right?

Do you actually find such a viewpoint to be reasonable and realistic? That this team, that has won 16 of their first 19 games, will suddenly and consistently, over the remainder of the regular season, win games at a lower percentage than last year's 33-win team. Do you honestly believe the team is worse this year than last and has just been winning with smoke and mirrors and will suddenly regress to winning less than 40% of their games for the rest of the season? Do you really believe that, or are you just doggedly sticking to your guns in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary? When will you finally anoint them as above average, when they win their 42nd game? Their 50th? Would that be enough for you to admit you're wrong?

Personally, I find such an opinion absurd and completely unsupportable. So, you want to talk basketball? Great! Give us your basketball reasons why this team will slump to .397 over the remainder of the season and finish the season as an average team.

BNM
 
Mediocre Man said:
Plus, where would this forum be without arguing over minor details?
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Dumb post.

Wasn't it just a few years ago that a 46-48 win team missed the playoffs by one game? So, yeah 2 games makes a huge difference, especially if you believe the team is average and is likely to regress closer to the mean (as you do). If you hadn't noticed, the West is pretty damn deep (you may not have noticed, since you haven't noticed the Blazers' performance thus far).
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Dumb post.

Wasn't it just a few years ago that a 46-48 win team missed the playoffs by one game? So, yeah 2 games makes a huge difference, especially if you believe the team is average and is likely to regress closer to the mean (as you do). If you hadn't noticed, the West is pretty damn deep (you may not have noticed, since you haven't noticed the Blazers' performance thus far).
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You said it was minor details, not me. I was just posting a smart ass comment. So technically your post was the dumb post?
 
I would say what Paul Allen thought had more to do with rebuilding than devotion by fans. Fan support may have played a part though.
 
I don't think even Neil expected us to be 16-3 in his wildest of dreams
 
Charcoal Filtered said:
I would say what Paul Allen thought had more to do with rebuilding than devotion by fans. Fan support may have played a part though.
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I could be wrong but I think a large part of it is due to Paul's health and that's why for a while he was going to GM after GM. That what Paul might have meant by "Golden Gut?"
 
milehighblazer said:
I'm all for analytics, predictions, news articles, and what have you. At the end of the day i'm a fan, I enjoy watching the Portland Trailblazers, period. It's not often you get to watch a team have the start that we've had so i'm enjoying it. The excitement i've felt watching the past month of basketball couldn't be tarnished even if we didn't win another game all year. I'm not speaking TO anyone in particular, but I feel like so many people get wrapped up in being right or a forum warrior that they don't just sit back and enjoy watching basketball, which is why we're all here in the first place. The internet, advanced statistics, fantasy basketball/football are all a blessing and a curse.
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Repped. This is how I feel right now. I'm enjoying the shit out of it. Being present does wonders.
 
This guy sucks. With his Mediocre comments. Just stating my belifs
 
KingSpeed said:
But Lopez might get injured after the All State break! That was your only argument. And a weak one at that.
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Lopez played all 82 games last season. When writers hold out from committing on why the Blazers are successful and acknowledging that the Blazers are beating the best teams in the NBA, and instead dwell on the Blazers being an injury away from not being the best in the NBA, you know they have nothing to say and were emphatically wrong about their assessment. They have zero credibility as a sports writer.

Rose is injured - they're struggling
Dwade is injured - they're stuggling
Iggy is injured - they're struggling
Gasol is injured - they're struggling

There is nothing insightful about making a statement about hypothetical injuries. Any jack ass can make that statement without being patently wrong. It's the last line of defense for a no-talent hack writer trying to save face.
 
milehighblazer said:
I'm all for analytics, predictions, news articles, and what have you. At the end of the day i'm a fan, I enjoy watching the Portland Trailblazers, period. It's not often you get to watch a team have the start that we've had so i'm enjoying it. The excitement i've felt watching the past month of basketball couldn't be tarnished even if we didn't win another game all year. I'm not speaking TO anyone in particular, but I feel like so many people get wrapped up in being right or a forum warrior that they don't just sit back and enjoy watching basketball, which is why we're all here in the first place. The internet, advanced statistics, fantasy basketball/football are all a blessing and a curse.
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Well said. Repped. Have been enjoying the season so much. I have seen many worry about "the other shoe dropping" so to speak. To each their own I suppose. There doesn't have to be a legit or for real. But there is a 16-3 start we should all be enjoying for what it is. A 16-3 start, which is awesome. Worrying about a 3-16 stretch coming means you're miserable then AND you didn't enjoy the start. Ride with it and have fun. Let the chips fall where they may.
 
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