Olshey interview with Jaynes

[Wizard Mentor]

I'm just not seeing how diving deep into the lottery gets us a title any sooner than continuing to build around a 1st team All NBA player just entering his prime.

Your examples actually seem to contradict the point you are trying to make. Adding more lottery picks means we will be relying on even more, very young, very unproven players.

While Collins improvement is highly desirable, we also have the option of including him in a trade package for a proven player. I'm not specifically recommending this particular trade one way or the other, just using it as an example, but he could be a key piece in a possible trade for Blake Griffin, should DET decide to move Blake and go all in on a youth movement.

I don't think anyone here considers Wade Baldwin an irreplaceable part of our championship plans. I think most are excited that he has the potential to be a young role player that we got for nothing. Wade Baldwin is the NBA equivalent of a free lunch at an unexpectedly good restaurant.

BNM

Not to put words in @Mediocre Man 's mouth, but I don't think he thinks that the linear/incremental improvement plan will get us there. Frankly, I agree. We will not be winning a championship while Lillard is in his prime. I hope I'm wrong, but too much has to go right for that to happen, and lots has gone wrong in the last couple of years. With that in mind, we may win a championship more quickly by "resetting." Personally, I'm not ready for this, but if a deal like CJ to Philly for Saric + #10 + Fultz, you have to seriously consider taking it because we might actually be getting better and pseudo-resetting at the same time.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Not to put words in @Mediocre Man 's mouth, but I don't think he thinks that the linear/incremental improvement plan will get us there. Frankly, I agree. We will not be winning a championship while Lillard is in his prime. I hope I'm wrong, but too much has to go right for that to happen, and lots has gone wrong in the last couple of years. With that in mind, we may win a championship more quickly by "resetting." Personally, I'm not ready for this, but if a deal like CJ to Philly for Saric + #10 + Fultz, you have to seriously consider taking it because we might actually be getting better and pseudo-resetting at the same time.

When was the last time a team won a championship by tanking and diving deep into the lottery?

SAS with Duncan? And even then, they didn't "reset" by trading away David Robinson.

CLE with LeBron. Let's see. All that took was winning THE best lottery in the history of the league, him leaving for 4 years, while they won the lottery 3 more times, coming back and finally winning a title 13 years later. Do you see that as a repeatable model for building a championship team?

Yes, you ALWAYS examine ANY and EVERY trade that can help you improve, but the model of tanking your way to a championship is pure fallacy.

BNM

 

[CupWizier]

What he's saying is that there are some fans--like myself, for example--who want a title, but are basically satisfied with a team that wins more than it loses and represents this city with character. The kind of fan who would give the team a B grade for this season thanks to the basic enjoyment he derived from the team over the course of 7 months, despite the epic flame-out in the first week of the playoffs. Fans who would prefer the team put forth their best effort to win as many games as possible each season rather than tanking for 3-5 years for a chance at stumbling upon a super-duper-star.

Of course I want a title, but it's not the be-all-and-end-all for me. I am the kind of fan that @Mediocre Man is talking about, which is ironic, since despite his username, I am the one content with mediocrity.

I can only go by the words he uses as I am not a mind reader. I appreciate your interpretation but that's not what I got from his post and if that's what he means then he needs to learn to articulate it then. It was very clear in his post to me what he was saying and it wasn't what you posted.

 

[CupWizier]

Not to put words in @Mediocre Man 's mouth, but I don't think he thinks that the linear/incremental improvement plan will get us there. Frankly, I agree. We will not be winning a championship while Lillard is in his prime. I hope I'm wrong, but too much has to go right for that to happen, and lots has gone wrong in the last couple of years. With that in mind, we may win a championship more quickly by "resetting." Personally, I'm not ready for this, but if a deal like CJ to Philly for Saric + #10 + Fultz, you have to seriously consider taking it because we might actually be getting better and pseudo-resetting at the same time.

But see, this is where I have trouble understanding all of these fantasy trades that are proposed. We have no idea what Philly's mindset is and if they are even remotely close to wanting to deal Fultz, Saric and their #10 pick. Maybe they want to grow their team and see what develops in a couple years. I see all of these wild trade ideas with multiple players and multiple teams and I believe it's only setting up posters for disappointment and then pointing the finger at the GM for not getting it done.

 

[Pinwheel1]

But see, this is where I have trouble understanding all of these fantasy trades that are proposed. We have no idea what Philly's mindset is and if they are even remotely close to wanting to deal Fultz, Saric and their #10 pick. Maybe they want to grow their team and see what develops in a couple years. I see all of these wild trade ideas with multiple players and multiple teams and I believe it's only setting up posters for disappointing and then pointing the finger at the GM for not getting it done.

While I do not mind seeing some of the trade fantasy's at this time of year, since other topics get a bit old, I do agree that many fans take them too seriously and are then disappointed when they don't happen.

Kind of like watching hot porn chicks on the internet all day, then being disappointed with the women that will actually date them ....

 

[CupWizier]

While I do not mind seeing some of the trade fantasy's at this time of year, since other topics get a bit old, I do agree that many fans take them too seriously and are then disappointed when they don't happen.

Kind of like watching hot porn chicks on the internet all day, then being disappointed with the women that will actually date them ....

lol, I like your analogy, but when I first started reading it I thought you were going to say that it was like watching hot porn chicks and then being disappointed with reality of being with your wife/ girlfriend.

I also enjoy some of the ideas thrown about in the forum but don't take them very seriously.

 

[Pinwheel1]

lol, I like your analogy, but when I first started reading it I thought you were going to say that it was like watching hot porn chicks and then being disappointed with reality of being with your wife/ girlfriend.

I also enjoy some of the ideas thrown about in the forum but don't take them very seriously.

Ha 28 years strong, and she still looking good...... to me.

 

[CupWizier]

Ha 28 years strong, and she still looking good...... to me.

Good for you. I'm at 35.

 

[BonesJones]

He's also developed a solid jumpshot, and really is a very good passer as well. If the cost of acquisition is low enough (ie, Turner/Aminu), then the contract size/length is of little concern to me. Acquiring Blake would be an "all-in" type of move, not concerned about 2022, but focused on 2018-19.

Poker-wise, that's like someone being in a strong position at the poker table, yet they still go all-in. They get a Carr, and then it's your turn. Trading for Griffin would be like calling that with a J-10.

Might get lucky, but probably not, and then were screwed for years to come.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Good for you. I'm at 35.

I'm at 13 days. Does that count?

BNM

 

[BonesJones]

I'm at 13 days. Does that count?

BNM

16 seconds. Is that good?

 

[Pinwheel1]

16 seconds. Is that good?

If you are on a Blazer message board 16 seconds after getting married, then I am going to go out on a limb and say.... No that is not good.

 

[Boob-No-More]

16 seconds. Is that good?

For someone your age? Sure.

I didn't last nearly as long when I was young either.

BNM

 

[Wizard Mentor]

When was the last time a team won a championship by tanking and diving deep into the lottery?

SAS with Duncan? And even then, they didn't "reset" by trading away David Robinson.

CLE with LeBron. Let's see. All that took was winning THE best lottery in the history of the league, him leaving for 4 years, while they won the lottery 3 more times, coming back and finally winning a title 13 years later. Do you see that as a repeatable model for building a championship team?

Yes, you ALWAYS examine ANY and EVERY trade that can help you improve, but the model of tanking your way to a championship is pure fallacy.

BNM

Maybe, maybe not. The deep truth is that you win a championship by getting Freakin' Lucky.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

But see, this is where I have trouble understanding all of these fantasy trades that are proposed. We have no idea what Philly's mindset is and if they are even remotely close to wanting to deal Fultz, Saric and their #10 pick. Maybe they want to grow their team and see what develops in a couple years. I see all of these wild trade ideas with multiple players and multiple teams and I believe it's only setting up posters for disappointment and then pointing the finger at the GM for not getting it done.

You can't watch games, monitor the team, see what they're doing. So, the offseason isn't a time for that, it's the time for unbridled optimism and baseless speculation - it's a good time. The crap teams (some would argue us) can dream that just the right trade/pick/signing will catapult them to new heights. That's happened with me every year, and other here as well.

So, give me your 2nd rounders, yearning to be free.
Give me that 4-team trade in which 2 of the teams are screwed, but we come out way ahead.
Give me your ideas for just the right coach/GM/owner that put us over the top!

THIS IS THE OFFSEASON!!!!!

 

[CupWizier]

16 seconds. Is that good?

You're married? and for 16 seconds? Well at least that left another 10 seconds of free time after consummating the marriage.

 

[CupWizier]

You can't watch games, monitor the team, see what they're doing. So, the offseason isn't a time for that, it's the time for unbridled optimism and baseless speculation - it's a good time. The crap teams (some would argue us) can dream that just the right trade/pick/signing will catapult them to new heights. That's happened with me every year, and other here as well.

So, give me your 2nd rounders, yearning to be free.
Give me that 4-team trade in which 2 of the teams are screwed, but we come out way ahead.
Give me your ideas for just the right coach/GM/owner that put us over the top!

THIS IS THE OFFSEASON!!!!!

Easy now. as I was just commenting on that I have often seen these wild trades be proposed and then posters being upset when it doesn't happen or even if one of the players in their speculative trade is dealt to another team. If you can accept that they probably won't then at least you are being a bit more realistic. It's guys like gronk that don't exactly come across as a rational person on those sort of things and I am sure there are others as well. I think it was Pritchard that made a comment at a meet and greet several years ago that the more players involved the more difficult the trade is and then you start adding one or more teams makes it extremely difficult or impossible.