Omar Mateen, mass shooter.

[blue32]

Right??? I wanted to know so I can call all of my Mexican buddies that knowing what it meant.

I have gay family members so I don't give a shit about who loves who, who gets married, all that jazz.

But this whole gender neutrality stuff is bullshit. Sorry, I don't give a fuck what anyone thinks; the fact is, genes/DNA declare what a human is. Trying to change that, you are suffering from a chemical imbalance/disorder; catering to those people is enabling their mental disorder.

 

[blue32]

Right??? I wanted to know so I can call all of my Mexican buddies that knowing what it meant.

Better reserve every letter in the alphabet and then some.

 

[MarAzul]

MarAzul, I can get married if I want. Trump is not president and the Supreme Court has not overturned Obergefell. I'm way over 18 and sure as hell don't need your permission. Just the right woman. She has to like cats, be tidy, a morning person, progressive politics. Maybe I should post an ad in Bay Times?

Telling me how I need to "heal" is bullshit. My community gets massacred, Congressional leaders, one major party, a good part of the sports world and a lot of religious leaders pretend it's just some amorphous dead people because they can't bring themselves to say "gay" or "Latinx". A presidential candidate and his supporters who oppose any rights for us tries to use our dead bodies to demonize another community. And a longer and longer list of Christian ministers prays for the wounded to die. Meanwhile Christians are so persecuted because some idiots rolled a joint in a few bible pages. Shove it. I don't want homophobes wishing me "healing" while they pass another antigay law. I'll "heal" when my civil rights are taken for granted.

(Yes, I acknowledge, some religious leaders include Christians did react in exemplary fashion.)

Trump, the great friend of gays, spent yesterday with the country's leading gay hating organizations trying to persuade them he hates gays enough for their support.

Ha! Well I never said you did. Just pointing out you could. But see, you got a sore on your ass too big for a bandaid. It never heals no doubt due to the acid you generate working up your hate of Christians anyone else you snap a judgement on.
Homophobe! Hell, I don't care what you are and wouldn't even know if you hadn't posted it in more posts than I care to count. But I see you need to vent, so why don't you make a cogent post on why you think I am a homophobe.
I get a spelling error using that word, but you used it, so I will. I didn't see you use that word to characterize the Killer of the the people in Orlando, but you use it for me. Odd! Really odd since you always refer to the people killed as gay and your people instead of Americans like I see them. Americans under attack. Under attack by a killer who is of a religion with clear directions from the founding prophet on how to treat the gay people. So your turn, let us hear it, on why you see me as a homophobe but don't see the killer of the gay Americans as a homophobe.

Ok, forget the cogent! Just bring what ever shit you think you have.

 

[crandc]

I called you a homophobe because of your words to me. And your other comments. Do I need to quote your own words?
I did not, however, throw personal insults to you about your ass etc.

Was the killer a homophobe? Obviously. That did not need saying. When you claim the dead were just killed because they were "Americans" you are the one denying that.

Yeah, I fucking need to vent when people in my community get murdered. They were not killed as "Americans" (some of them were actually foreign nationals and not Americans), they were killed as a specific subset of people living in America. To ignore that is to invalidate their lives.

 

[Denny Crane]

I called you a homophobe because of your words to me. And your other comments. Do I need to quote your own words?
I did not, however, throw personal insults to you about your ass etc.

Was the killer a homophobe? Obviously. That did not need saying. When you claim the dead were just killed because they were "Americans" you are the one denying that.

Yeah, I fucking need to vent when people in my community get murdered. They were not killed as "Americans" (some of them were actually foreign nationals and not Americans), they were killed as a specific subset of people living in America. To ignore that is to invalidate their lives.

The killer was gay.

Now what?

 

[magnifier661]

Wow, so they let the wife go and now they can't find her.

 

[Denny Crane]

The killer was gay.

Now what?

http://www.tmz.com/2016/06/23/omar-mateen-gay-hotel-surveillance-cameras-fbi/

Portions of Omar Mateen's alleged hookup with at least one gay man were captured on surveillance cameras at an Orlando hotel ... TMZ has learned.

Sources at the Ambassador Hotel tell TMZ, Mateen was seen on camera footage recorded December 14, 2015 around 11 PM. We're told the video bolsters the claims of the heavily disguised man who told Univision he met up with Mateen 15-20 times at the hotel between November and December.

 

[magnifier661]

I'll just leave this right here.

 

[blue32]

I called you a homophobe because of your words to me. And your other comments. Do I need to quote your own words?
I did not, however, throw personal insults to you about your ass etc.

Was the killer a homophobe? Obviously. That did not need saying. When you claim the dead were just killed because they were "Americans" you are the one denying that.

Yeah, I fucking need to vent when people in my community get murdered. They were not killed as "Americans" (some of them were actually foreign nationals and not Americans), they were killed as a specific subset of people living in America. To ignore that is to invalidate their lives.

Regardless of whether they were Americans (some were not) or gay (maybe some were not), the real travesty here is the loss of life at the hands of a terrorist attack on domestic soil.

 

[crandc]

I have no idea who Bill Whittle is but doubt he "destroyed" Obama. A lot of people have claimed to have "destroyed" Obama over the past 8 years or so.

Was Mateen gay? A lot of homophobes are in fact closeted gays, trying to "kill the gay" in themselves. That's why over and over we see far right lawmakers with a record of proposing and supporting antigay legislation and making extreme antigay speeches, get caught with handsome male escorts.

Reportedly his murder spree was triggered by seeing two men kiss. If true, and no one has contradicted that, it's denying reality to say it has nothing to do with the victims being gay.

The NY Times asked a number of gay/lesbian/bi/trans celebs about their first gay bar experience.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/23/f...-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well

If you scroll down, John Amaechi, while a closeted NBA player, went to a gay bar and recognized Bill Kennedy, a then closeted NBA ref.

Donald Trump has appointed the country's leading homophobic organizers to his advisory board. Ralph Reed, James Dobson, Jerry Falwell Jr, , Robert Jeffries. Ask the gays how much they love him.

 

[Denny Crane]

I have no idea who Bill Whittle is but doubt he "destroyed" Obama. A lot of people have claimed to have "destroyed" Obama over the past 8 years or so.

Was Mateen gay? A lot of homophobes are in fact closeted gays, trying to "kill the gay" in themselves. That's why over and over we see far right lawmakers with a record of proposing and supporting antigay legislation and making extreme antigay speeches, get caught with handsome male escorts.

Reportedly his murder spree was triggered by seeing two men kiss. If true, and no one has contradicted that, it's denying reality to say it has nothing to do with the victims being gay.

The NY Times asked a number of gay/lesbian/bi/trans celebs about their first gay bar experience.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/23/f...-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well

If you scroll down, John Amaechi, while a closeted NBA player, went to a gay bar and recognized Bill Kennedy, a then closeted NBA ref.

Donald Trump has appointed the country's leading homophobic organizers to his advisory board. Ralph Reed, James Dobson, Jerry Falwell Jr, , Robert Jeffries. Ask the gays how much they love him.

It obviously has to do with the victims being gay. It appears to have nothing to do with homophobia.

So you turn this into a hate Trump thread now? I'm fine with it. I think he's trying to reach out to the gay community and he's got to balance getting support from the Falwell types along with his historical support for LGBT. Including his most recent statement that trans people are welcome to use the bathrooms of their choice on Trump properties.

 

[crandc]

I'm not turning it into a hate Trump thread. He inserted himself into the discussion. He also walked back his trans access statement. If saying "gays love me" is so out there it has to be balanced with top 5 bigots as advisors, well, I'm not the only one to say pretty unbalanced.

If people are killed because they are Black it's racism. If people are killed because they are Jews it's anti-Semitism. If people are killed because they are gay and Latin it's homophobia and racism both. What else can it be called when this particular group was targeted?

 

[Denny Crane]

I'm not turning it into a hate Trump thread. He inserted himself into the discussion. He also walked back his trans access statement. If saying "gays love me" is so out there it has to be balanced with top 5 bigots as advisors, well, I'm not the only one to say pretty unbalanced.

If people are killed because they are Black it's racism. If people are killed because they are Jews it's anti-Semitism. If people are killed because they are gay and Latin it's homophobia and racism both. What else can it be called when this particular group was targeted?

If black people are killed by black people who happen to be black, what is it?

If gay people are killed by gay people who happen to be gay, what is it?

Trump has not walked back his statement.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/04/24/opinions/trump-transgender-bathrooms-opinion-cupp/

On the issue of legislating transgender bathrooms --and maybe only on this issue, if you ask me -- Trump is completely right, and his rival Ted Cruz completely wrong.

The billionaire said Thursday on the "Today" show on NBC that, "There have been very few complaints the way it is. People go, they use the bathroom that they feel is appropriate. There has been so little trouble, and the problem with what happened in North Carolina is the strife and the economic punishment that they're taking. So I would say that's probably the best way.

(he's against the legislation in NC, get it?)

 

[magnifier661]

I'm not turning it into a hate Trump thread. He inserted himself into the discussion. He also walked back his trans access statement. If saying "gays love me" is so out there it has to be balanced with top 5 bigots as advisors, well, I'm not the only one to say pretty unbalanced.

If people are killed because they are Black it's racism. If people are killed because they are Jews it's anti-Semitism. If people are killed because they are gay and Latin it's homophobia and racism both. What else can it be called when this particular group was targeted?

Ridiculous response and there are many gays that love Trump. I have many gay friends that are voting for Trump.

What I can tell you is the left threw the gays under the bus by blaming gun violence for the murder of 49 gay men and women. The same left that accepts tens of millions from Arab countries whom put gays in prison, or worse, execute them just for being gay.

 

[MarAzul]

I called you a homophobe because of your words to me. And your other comments.

Ok Crandc, I guess you have nothing but want to use the word. We are done here.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

If black people are killed by black people who happen to be black, what is it?

If gay people are killed by gay people who happen to be gay, what is it?

It's not the color/orientation of the killer that indicates racism/homophobia, but the reasoning for the killing. If a black man killed other black people because they were black, his own blackness doesn't make it any less racism. The same is true of this (presumably) gay man killing gay people because they were gay.

 

[MarAzul]

If people are killed because they are Black it's racism. If people are killed because they are Jews it's anti-Semitism. If people are killed because they are gay and Latin it's homophobia and racism both. What else can it be called when this particular group was targeted?

Well, the terrorist (Islamic) have been killing Americans because they are, without regard to whether they are Black, white, Jews, Gay or what have you. But in this case you may have a point. Since he is a Muslim and being gay is a bad bad,
he may so self loathing that he did target gays as well as himself. Go out with a bang, a multi mission bang, himself and other bottom of class infidels (gays). However, if he had stuck with Disneyland as was apparently and alternate possibility, then what? Seems to me, he got a two bagger with his final decision.

 

[blue32]

It's not the color/orientation of the killer that indicates racism/homophobia, but the reasoning for the killing. If a black man killed other black people because they were black, his own blackness doesn't make it any less racism. The same is true of this (presumably) gay man killing gay people because they were gay.

I agree with you, but....

From what I understand, in today's stupid ass classes (and listening to DVISS), they are teaching kids that black (or other minorities)people can't be racist because they are not in a position of power, or some shit like that. I think JFizzle or someone said something identical to that, from his class.

^^ which I think is completely fucking stupid.

 

[blue32]

Ridiculous response and there are many gays that love Trump. I have many gay friends that are voting for Trump.

What I can tell you is the left threw the gays under the bus by blaming gun violence for the murder of 49 gay men and women. The same left that accepts tens of millions from Arab countries whom put gays in prison, or worse, execute them just for being gay.

Bingo...

 

[Denny Crane]

It's not the color/orientation of the killer that indicates racism/homophobia, but the reasoning for the killing. If a black man killed other black people because they were black, his own blackness doesn't make it any less racism. The same is true of this (presumably) gay man killing gay people because they were gay.

It's still not racism. It's something else entirely. More like a mental problem. Can't deal with being black or game theirself.

 

[barfo]

It's still not racism. It's something else entirely. More like a mental problem. Can't deal with being black or game theirself.

Racism IS a mental problem.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Racism IS a mental problem.

barfo

No, it's not.

Being "liberal" is.

See how that works?

 

[crandc]

As the thread has devolved into half a dozen dudes issuing personal attacks, I am out.

Just don't ask again why gay people are so fucking angry. Read your posts.

 

[magnifier661]

As the thread has devolved into half a dozen dudes issuing personal attacks, I am out.

Just don't ask again why gay people are so fucking angry. Read your posts.

I ask them all the time and it's not because of How you described. Sorry, just because you are gay doesn't mean you speak for all LGBTQ.

 

[barfo]

No, it's not.

Being "liberal" is.

See how that works?

Not really, no. Did you have a point?

If racism isn't a mental problem, what is it?

barfo

 

[Natebishop3]

Not really, no. Did you have a point?

If racism isn't a mental problem, what is it?

barfo

A learned one?

 

[barfo]

A learned one?

Learning is mental. Unless you are talking about 'muscle memory', maybe.

barfo

 

[Natebishop3]

Learning is mental. Unless you are talking about 'muscle memory', maybe.

barfo

When you say "mental problem," most people will assume that you mean a psychological problem.... like schizophrenia.

Not something that can be learned and unlearned.

 

[blue32]

I ask them all the time and it's not because of How you described. Sorry, just because you are gay doesn't mean you speak for all LGBTQ.

damn straight.

 

[Denny Crane]

Not really, no. Did you have a point?

If racism isn't a mental problem, what is it?

barfo

Racism is an environmental or cultural problem. It's what parents or other influences teach a person.

But being "liberal" is brain damage.

Or an authoritarian government might claim it is and act on it. Be careful what you wish for, it may come true.

(Note: Castro's Cuba declared any non-communists "insane" and put them in gulags).

Since you'll demand proof:

https://fee.org/articles/psychiatry-in-a-communist-utopia/

The Politics of Psychiatry in Revolutionary Cuba by Charles J. Brown and Armando M. Lago (Transaction, 1992) provides irrefutable evidence and graphically documents that the totalitarian government of Cuba has used (and continues to use) psychiatry for political purposes—in this case, political repression, the crushing of dissent, and the establishment of conformity within the political structure of the island prison of communist Cuba.