One backup PG thread to rule them all

[Rastapopoulos]

So: now that we've used up the MLE on Kaman, what's the thinking on backup PG?
Do we have to re-sign Mo now? Are we prepared to gamble on Will and CJ? Are we hoping to pick up somebody who falls through the cracks? Who? Steve Blake? Will he really sign for the minimum? What if Mo really does go to Dallas? Good thing or bad thing?

 

[magnifier661]

I like the idea of having Blake. I really don't like Mo that much. If we can think bigger, maybe Olshey could do a trade for Beverly.

 

[riverman]

Jameer Nelson, Devon Harris and Deron Williams are all available. I'm thinking Nelson might be a good fit. If Jeremy Lin's contract could be restructured he'll probably get interest. I'm not a fan of Blake or Brooks as Blazers. Chauncey Billups could be signed for a stop gap. I'm sure there's a D league pt guard that would work

 

[Strenuus]

Jameer Nelson, Devon Harris and Deron Williams are all available. I'm thinking Nelson might be a good fit. If Jeremy Lin's contract could be restructured he'll probably get interest. I'm not a fan of Blake or Brooks as Blazers. Chauncey Billups could be signed for a stop gap. I'm sure there's a D league pt guard that would work

Deron Williams just got off a huge contract, he's not signing for the BAE. Neither is Nelson. Realistically, it's Steve Blake and that's pretty much it.

Mo is going to be gone. He's not signing for the BAE either.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

How about an out of left field guy? Rodrigue Beaubois... French so Batum will like him and he is a spark plug (From what I remember when he was a Mav).

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Of course I think we should check in on THE MIGHTY PETTERI KOPONEN! Dallas has his rights, but they've got a ton of young PGs already, and in this scenario they have Mo. Maybe we can do a sign-and-trade.

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[riverman]

How about an out of left field guy? Rodrigue Beaubois... French so Batum will like him and he is a spark plug (From what I remember when he was a Mav).

forgot about him, good call

 

[Rastapopoulos]

How about an out of left field guy? Rodrigue Beaubois... French so Batum will like him and he is a spark plug (From what I remember when he was a Mav).

Whose summer league team is he playing for? Ah yes, the Lakers.
He was never really a PG, though, was he?

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Whose summer league team is he playing for? Ah yes, the Lakers.
He was never really a PG, though, was he?

He is a short attacking guard... but you may be right, never a real PG.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Jameer Nelson, Devon Harris and Deron Williams are all available. I'm thinking Nelson might be a good fit. If Jeremy Lin's contract could be restructured he'll probably get interest. I'm not a fan of Blake or Brooks as Blazers. Chauncey Billups could be signed for a stop gap. I'm sure there's a D league pt guard that would work

Dallas want to keep Harris - maybe we could swap Mo for him?
Nelson doesn't excite me, and I'd be amazed if he could be had cheap.
Lin has to be traded, not waived, to free up cap space for Houston, so we'd have to trade $8M in contracts to get him.
No to Brooks, I agree.
What makes you say Deron is available? And even if he is he has a fat contract and gimpy ankles.
I do hope that we reach out to Billups, but I have a feeling he'll move straight into broadcasting, and it will be in Detroit.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

Let's trade Leonard to Spain for Sergio lol

 

[shamelessblazer]

Beaubious might be worth a shot, Terry knows him well though and if we're not interested I assume that means he knows something we don't.

I would much prefer Billups to Blake if we're going the old vet route. Bring in the guy who actually won a championship and ran teams rather than the guy whose best attribute was staying out of Roy & Kobe's way.

Vasquez seems like he would fit very well, but would require a sign and trade. I wonder if a 1st and Wright or Claver could get him for a MLE type of deal. He would fit well next to our smaller guys, b/c he probably guards 2's better than 1's and knows how to play next to Lowry.

Lin could be a good fit off the bench, great shooting and ok size, defense next to Lillard would be horrendous but nothing worse than Mo. Expiring deal, pays him a ton but maybe they could take some of our junk? He probably goes (along with a pick) to a team that can absorb the whole 8M cap hit though to clear cap space. Maybe a three way where we send out Wright/Claver/Freeland to a team for a cap exemption (which goes to Houston), and we get Lin & a pick?

Another option might be just to bring in a vet SF who can semi-run the offense, at least along with CJ/Barton. Would Carter fit the description? He's a pretty good ball handler and runs pick n rolls quite well (like Batum). Then CJ can just play the Dame role for the back-ups. Maybe Wright and a future pick?

 

[shamelessblazer]

Let's trade Leonard to Spain for Sergio lol

Not the worst idea to give Sergio a look. (obviously I know you're joking about a trade)

He and Aldridge were quite close, and his J has improved considerably. Fits into the whole "us against the world" vibe of this team.

I'm just glad no one has brought up Taureen Green yet.

 

[riverman]

Summer league might bring some light to unknown pt guards. I think Barton will become the backup though and he wants to be a pt guard

 

[Pinwheel1]

We need another PG on the roster for sure. Not sure who though. Who in our price range can we trade for? Houston is not giving up Beverly. The guy only makes 1 million. That works well with what they are trying to accomplish.

Billups is done from what I have seen the last two years.
Ridnour is still great at running an offense, but not much scoring.
Blake plays better D than given credit for and can run an offense and hit the occasional big shot.
I don't think Nelson will want to come here. I bet he is thinking someone like Miami.
Jahii Carson would be worth looking at in summer league (He is playing for Houston)

If we are looking for a defensive PG then I bet we can find one who gets cut late in fall camp. Maybe we sign a Jahii Carson and cut him if we find someone better in October?

Unless we can make a trade, I think we will end up going young or old. I would be Ok with Blake or Rid. I know some of you want a defensive specialist, but I can't think of any in that price range. . Maybe we will see some in summer league.

 

[MARIS61]

Sergio.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

SlyPokerDog! pass first, team player, good locker room guy.

 

[NWDJ]

Kendall Marshall?

 

[Pinwheel1]

Kendall Marshall?

Marshall played well last year for the Lakers. Too well as I think they would prefer to keep him for his 1 million dollar salary.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Sergio.

His contract was extended through 2018. More than the BAE

 

[shamelessblazer]

Blake plays better D than given credit for and can run an offense and hit the occasional big shot.

When have you seen Blake run an offense? He never ran the offense when he was here or with the Lakers. The guy can't even run a fast break, much less an offense.

 

[lawai'a]

beno udrih? meh, nonexciting , steady, BAE kind of guy.

 

[Minstrel]

I'd be quite happy with Blake. He'd be a very poor starter, but he makes a nice reserve because he can hit three-pointers to maintain spacing and has generally had a very solid Assist Rate (the number of possessions he uses that result in assists). He's a useful cog off the bench. The one thing he can't do which prevents him from being the perfect acquisition is play defense. That is a significant flaw, but you're not going to get an unflawed point guard for the BAE or the MLE (even if the Blazers hadn't signed Kaman). Livingston signed a deal for the full MLE and he can defend and pass but can't shoot. Blake for the BAE would shore up the position.

 

[lawai'a]

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine
Rubio and sullinger join Portland
love to boston
leonard, trob, cj, jeff green ,marcus smart, and boston conveys picks.

stretch 4/5 in sullinger and Rubio is the 3rd guard for Portland. Rubio provides d and can run and run and run an offense.

 

[Pinwheel1]

When have you seen Blake run an offense? He never ran the offense when he was here or with the Lakers. The guy can't even run a fast break, much less an offense.

He was inconsistent for the Lakers but he played well for them when they had a full team.

How do you get 14 assists in one quarter (An NBA record) and not run an offense?

 

[Draco]

I'm a big fan of CJ and I think he'll be best as a backup PG instead of playing so much of the time at the 2. Defensively he is too short for a SG and he is most effective with the ball in his hands. When Mo was away from the team for family reasons CJ had a couple great games as the primary bench scoring guard. So I want a backup PG on this team that won't bitch or complain if CJ beats him out of the rotation. But we definitely need a veteran PG in case Damian misses a game with injuries, CJ struggles, or opponents are applying full court pressure. We need a reliable veteran option with little risk of poor play, no upside potential is needed.

Blake would be solid. He wouldn't try to do too much, he doesn't gamble on defense. He can really shoot and knows how to setup a half court offense. He'd just be a one year stopgap.

Ridnour or Udrih would be fine as well.

I think Mo Williams is more talented than those players but Mo would not be a happy camper if someone is taking his shots or minutes. Mo is terrible defensively especially when paired with Lillard. I want to see the bench take a step forward as a group and Mo makes so many bonehead rookie mistakes on both sides of the ball its just surprising for a veteran. He needs to cut down on stupid fouls and careless passes. At this point in his career it's unrealistic to expect him to change though. The biggest worry I have about Mo leaving is losing his off the court locker room presence which so many member of the team talk about.

Lin would be an interesting option but I think we need to make a choice with him or CJ next year, both won't be happy together. If Houston trades Lin to a team with cap room it'll probably be a lottery team such as Orlando or Philly. They would be happy to take Meyers and Wright which would also save them $10 million of cash due to Lin's unique contract.

Hinrich would probably be my first choice but I doubt he will accept the BAE. Kirk probably wants a team where he is at least a lock for the backup PG and he may want a chance of playing more minutes with the starters.

Deron Williams is still owed $60 million I don't know who suggested him. Devin Harris is not a good enough 3 point shooter to have any interest for a Stotts offense. Same with Rodrigue Beaubois, no 3 point shot. I would consider Billups if he was interested but I suspect he'd rather retire. Mario Chalmers would be awesome but he'll get more than the BAE.

 

[shamelessblazer]

He was inconsistent for the Lakers but he played well for them when they had a full team.

How do you get 14 assists in one quarter (An NBA record) and not run an offense?

That one stupid game against the clippers (and an extremely green Deandre Jordan). He is NOT good at running an offense, unless that offense consists of isolation control (blazers) or high post passing and domination from the other guard (lakers). We don't run anything like that.

 

[Pinwheel1]

That one stupid game against the clippers (and an extremely green Deandre Jordan). He is NOT good at running an offense, unless that offense consists of isolation control (blazers) or high post passing and domination from the other guard (lakers). We don't run anything like that.

Or the complete exact opposite.........

If we don't run a system anything like what you have watched him play in, who is to say he isn't better suited for it? I would think Stotts' offense, when run correctly, would suit him better than the other ones you mentioned.

 

[shamelessblazer]

Or the complete exact opposite.........

If we don't run a system anything like what you have watched him play in, who is to say he isn't better suited for it? I would think Stotts' offense, when run correctly, would suit him better than the other ones you mentioned.

I think the evidence would be his time playing (not much) under Terry Stotts in Milwaukee or with the Warriors at the end of this last season.

Why would a an extremely conservative player w/limited handles and average (at best) vision succeed in a free-flowing offense?

 

[Pinwheel1]

I think the evidence would be his time playing (not much) under Terry Stotts in Milwaukee or with the Warriors at the end of this last season.

Why would a an extremely conservative player w/limited handles and average (at best) vision succeed in a free-flowing offense?

Did Stotts run this offense in Milwaukee or did he adapt this philosophy after his time in Dallas. But to answer your question, this offense is better suited IMO for PG's "w/limited handles and average (at best) vision". Lillard is not exactly John Stockton or Steve Nash. What Blake has always done well is setting up the offense and then moving without the ball. This offense has a lot of ball movement, not a PG who dominates the ball. Which I believe Mo did a little too much.