One Truehoop Writer's Opinion of PHI's #2 pick

[BrianFromWA]

or, when you see an even dumber trade ACTUALLY happen, we can feel good about ourselves and laugh at those that said that they were magical fantasies.

 

[BGrantFan]

It's always great to see everyone throw around all their brilliant trade scenarios and genius ideas. That way when none of these things happen again, everyone will once again have gotten such overblown expectations as to what is actually possible, that they can once again fault KP for not magically fulfilling any of their fantasies.

Repped, with the caveat being that I think the people proposing these trades actually believe they could make them happen if they were in Pritchard's shoes. I think it's far beyond setting up a strawman to later criticize Pritchard with when he doesn't make it happen. I think there is a certain degree of delusion associated with some of these posts.

 

[RoyToy]

It's always great to see everyone throw around all their brilliant trade scenarios and genius ideas. That way when none of these things happen again, everyone will once again have gotten such overblown expectations as to what is actually possible, that they can once again fault KP for not magically fulfilling any of their fantasies.

I felt like standing up and clapping my hands after this post.

 

[BGrantFan]

I felt like standing up and clapping my hands after this post.

Don't forget that other GMs don't like Pritchard, according to Wojo. Did you consider this in your assessment.

 

[BrianFromWA]

You're all correct. The rest of the league GMs sit on their hands and do nothing at the draft, or Free Agency, or the Trade Deadline. wait......hold on......that's Danny Ainge, Mitch Kupchak, Danny Ferry, Otis Smith, and Steve Kerr waving their hands wanting to speak. Amazingly enough, each of these GMs involved in "how'd that happen" trades has made it to the Conference Finals!?!
To recap: Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett for #5 and Al Jefferson.
Pau Gasol for his younger brother, 2 high-20's picks and expiring contracts
Getting Mo Williams and Antawn Jamison for 3 scrubs and the #30 pick
Vince Carter for Courtney Lee and Rafer Alston and Tony Battie!
Shaq for Mike James and Marion, and then turning around for salary savings (bought-out Ben Wallace)

Maybe add these surprise playoff GMs to that: Pritchard and Presti.
Outlaw + Blake for Camby
(whole page of posts detailing what Presti's done, including getting 2 first round picks to take a player and 1 for trading him away)

I get that people like KP and want to think that he hasn't missed a step since March 2007. It sucks for those people that there are so many armchair quarterback-wannabe-GMs here, knowledgeable about the game, with good ideas and long memories.

 

[noknobs]

You're all correct. The rest of the league GMs sit on their hands and do nothing at the draft, or Free Agency, or the Trade Deadline.

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I get that people like KP and want to think that he hasn't missed a step since March 2007. It sucks for those people that there are so many armchair quarterback-wannabe-GMs here, knowledgeable about the game, with good ideas and long memories.

Uh, yeah... that's exactly what I think.... or not.

But great random hyperbole and exaggeration.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Uh, yeah... that's exactly what I think.... or not.

But great random hyperbole and exaggeration.

I'm sorry, did I misrepresent your post somehow? If so, I apologize. I was specifically referring to the bolded:

It's always great to see everyone throw around all their brilliant trade scenarios and genius ideas. That way when none of these things happen again, everyone will once again have gotten such overblown expectations as to what is actually possible, that they can once again fault KP for not magically fulfilling any of their fantasies.

All I did was show how 5 GMs have made "huh? how did THAT happen?" trades over the past 3 years, with less available to trade than we have, who have "magically" pulled of a trade anyway, and all of whom made it to the conference finals in the last two years. I fault KP for not doing things like trading RLEC, for missing on some pretty high-profile draft picks, etc. Your quip about "not fulfilling any fantasies" seemed snarky enough to me to warrant hyperbole coming back at you, but I guess I must've misread it. When in fact, lots of GMs have done much more with much less, and gotten much farther than KP has. My magical fantasy or not.

But getting back to the post at hand, I took a logical--I wouldn't say "brilliant", though maybe you would-- step (multiple "reports" have said that all you had to do for the #2 pick was take Brand's contract) and asked someone with some access to intel around the league if that REALLY was true, or if it was a pipe dream, and provided a scenario. The author laughed at other "homeristic" trade scenarios that came up in the same chat, while confirming (to the best of his knowledge, of course--PHI may be setting one heckuva smokescreen) that PHI just wanted out from Brand's contract and didn't have a burning desire to take Turner, so that the scenario provided was a good representation of the value needed coming back. Last year the same thing could've happened for the #5 pick (which became Rubio, but Curry was still on the board). Think maybe Curry or Rubio might've helped us last year? Or would've gotten some good run and been better this year? Yeah, those would've been some "overblown expectations".

 

[noknobs]

sorry, did I misrepresent your post somehow? If so, I apologize.

I accept your apology.

All I did was show how 5 GMs have made "huh? how did THAT happen?" trades over the past 3 years, with less available to trade than we have, who have "magically" pulled of a trade anyway, and all of whom made it to the conference finals in the last two years. I fault KP for not doing things like trading RLEC, for missing on some pretty high-profile draft picks, etc. Your quip about "not fulfilling any fantasies" seemed snarky enough to me to warrant hyperbole coming back at you, but I guess I must've misread it. When in fact, lots of GMs have done much more with much less, and gotten much farther than KP has. My magical fantasy or not.

I'm well aware there have been lop-sided trades from time to time. However, that doesn't make me expect it to happen for the Blazers, or think it should happen simply because some 12 year old on sportstwo.com came up with a rockin' idear the other day... And before you misinterpret me again, I'm not talking about you, just as I wasn't talking about you earlier.

I was simply making a general observation: The funny side-effect of all the ideas/speculation (which usually favor the Blazers), is that there becomes a group that actually starts to expect Raef's contract to net us an all-star. And they build it up and build it up and then when nothing happens they fault KP. Why oh why didn't he do something? How could he pass up on all these fantasies that I've been reading for the past three months? Clearly he doesn't know how to make mid-season trades! They act like they know all the circumstances and what was being offered to Pritchard and how could he be so stupid to pass on it. It's bullshit. And I've seen it over and over.

Just because a fan comes up with an idea, even a reasonable one like yours, doesn't make it even remotely possible. Every team and their situation is different. Simply because one GM was able to trade Mike James & Marion for Shaq doesn't mean KP could have. Do you know why? Because we didn't have Mike James & Marion. All I know is our team looks pretty good all things considered, and we didn't before, so I don't see the fucking problem. If you want to interpret that as me thinking KP is perfect, then whatever.

 

[shamelessblazer]

If this is all it takes to get #2, get it and package it with parts (Bayless?) to SA (who seem to be after Favors) for Parker.

Parker
Roy
Batum
Aldridge
Oden

Miller, Pendergraph for Brand

#2, Bayless, Pryzbilla for Parker seems like a fair deal to me.

Seraphin (project) with #22

Parker/Koponen
Roy/Rudy
Batum/Webster
Aldridge/Cunningham
Oden/Camby

That could be an incredibly versatile (and injury prone) team.

 

[illmatic99]

On a side note, I found out today that I will most likely be moving to Philly in the fall, and will be living there for the near future. I need them to keep on sucking so tickets are cheap.

TRADE THE PICK.

 

[BoBoBREWSKI]

I wouldn't trade the #2 pick for Parker who could very well bolt after this season.

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Parker wouldnt bolt. There are reports that he told Roy he wants to play for Portland after Duncan retires.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Miller, Pendergraph for Brand

#2, Bayless, Pryzbilla for Parker seems like a fair deal to me.

Seraphin (project) with #22

Parker/Koponen
Roy/Rudy
Batum/Webster
Aldridge/Cunningham
Oden/Camby

That could be an incredibly versatile (and injury prone) team.

With just Miller and JP for Brand we're still about 6M short of being able to make that trade. It has to be Miller and Przy (or anything totalling about 13.15M) for Brand and the #2

 

[Blaze01]

Parker wouldnt bolt. There are reports that he told Roy he wants to play for Portland after Duncan retires.

I have never seen any report like that, where did you hear\read that? I agree though that once Parker was here I doubt he would leave as a FA.....

The problem is an inter-division\conference trade.....I just have a tought time seeing San Antonio dealing a key player like Parker to a rival, Portland...even if they got Aldridge (or the #2 pick) in the exchange....

It is possible, but probably unlikely....

Love to see it happen though....

 

[Masbee]

It's always great to see everyone throw around all their brilliant trade scenarios and genius ideas. That way when none of these things happen again, everyone will once again have gotten such overblown expectations as to what is actually possible, that they can once again fault KP for not magically fulfilling any of their fantasies.

What a pile of horseshit.

"Everyone"

"Once again fault KP".

Who are these strawmen. Name names, post quotes. Be specific. Or shut the hell up.

 

[Masbee]

The funny side-effect of all the ideas/speculation (which usually favor the Blazers), is that there becomes a group that actually starts to expect Raef's contract to net us an all-star. And they build it up and build it up and then when nothing happens they fault KP. Why oh why didn't he do something?

Actually it was KP himself who built up RLEC. He labeled it the "Golden Ticket", called it the best trading chip in 10 years and promised a "cornerstone" piece coming back.


Your post = fail.

 

[RR7]

Where did KP label it the golden ticket, and promise a cornerstone piece?

 

[BGrantFan]

Where did KP label it the golden ticket, and promise a cornerstone piece?

I was wondering the same thing. My thought is that nothing wowed Paul Allen or Kevin Pritchard, so he saved millions of $$$ by having insurance pay 80% of Raef's contract last season. Of course, maybe Masbee knows something that I don't know...

I recall Pritchard calling it the greatest expiring contract in history, but that was because of only having to pay 20% on it. I guess it's easy to criticize when it's not the poster's millions being saved or lost.

 

[Masbee]

I was wondering the same thing. My thought is that nothing wowed Paul Allen or Kevin Pritchard, so he saved millions of $$$ by having insurance pay 80% of Raef's contract last season. Of course, maybe Masbee knows something that I don't know...

I recall Pritchard calling it the greatest expiring contract in history, but that was because of only having to pay 20% on it. I guess it's easy to criticize when it's not the poster's millions being saved or lost.

What?

Ahhh, the shifting sands of argument. Keep changing the target.

What do you know about my opinion on the non-trade of RLEC?

A poster complains that other posters build up KP just to tear him down.

I point out KP didn't need any help building up his own expectations.

From that I am the dick for (in your mind alone) not allowing Paul Allen to pocket millions in savings?

Gotha.

I think I am starting to understand the bizzaro world logic of a couple of posters here.

 

[noknobs]

What a pile of horseshit.

"Everyone"

"Once again fault KP".

Who are these strawmen. Name names, post quotes. Be specific. Or shut the hell up.

So what are you trying to say? You disagree with me or what?

"Shut the hell up" seems against forum rules. But I'll tell you what, I'm really going to take your constructive criticism to heart. I mean really ponder your incredibly insightful comments and reevaluate all my opinions, even my life. Because pleasing username Masbee is really why I wake up in the morning.

 

[BGrantFan]

What?

Ahhh, the shifting sands of argument. Keep changing the target.

What do you know about my opinion on the non-trade of RLEC?

A poster complains that other posters build up KP just to tear him down.

I point out KP didn't need any help building up his own expectations.

From that I am the dick for (in your mind alone) not allowing Paul Allen to pocket millions in savings?

Gotha.

I think I am starting to understand the bizzaro world logic of a couple of posters here.

You made the claim that Pritchard promised a "cornerstone". I merely want to see that quote. I never called you a dick, either. You're the one labeling posts "a pile of horseshit" and telling posters to "shut the hell up", though, so if the shoe fits...

Prove your criticism of Pritchard. Or don't. Either way attacking posters for questioning your still unverified claims seems a bit juvenile to me, but I digress.

 

[Idog1976]

Back on topic.

I'm thinking if we got #2 then we ought to offer something amazing to the Wizards for #1 and take Wall. Lets say we do the OP's trade and get #2 and only lose Miller and Przybilla adding Brand. We could offer any one (maybe two) of Bayless, Rudy, Brand, Webster, Cunningham, Pendergraph Other bench meat/foreign stash, 2nd round picks, cash and the #2 for the #1.

PG: Wall
SG: Roy
SF: Batum
PF: LMA
C: Oden/Camby

Backups (go ahead and minus whoever we traded) Rudy, Brand, Bayless, DC, Pendergraph, Mills.

Hell who needs a bench other then Camby?

 

[RR7]

Washington doesn't do that, though.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Yeah, I don't think we're getting Wall. I don't know that it would help if we did.

 

[Idog1976]

Washington doesn't do that, though.

Did Washington say no trades whatsoever? Hell I'm damn near ready to offer up LMA for that pick. I know I'll get crucified for that but if we had Brand/Oden/Camby I'd consider rolling the dice because 1 thru 3 would be set FOREVER.

 

[Idog1976]

Yeah, I don't think we're getting Wall. I don't know that it would help if we did.

Sometimes I can't help but wonder Roy is more trouble then he is worth. I wonder what the team would look like with a top flight point guard and a healthy (obviously this is FAR from anything but a dream, let alone a lock, I'm just musing here) Oden/LMA. So many trades get shot down, so many players don't fit all because of Roy. I wonder about that sometimes.

(If I wasn't getting crucified before I'm pretty sure half of you are on the phone to Pontius Pilate right now).

 

[BGrantFan]

Sometimes I think Roy is more trouble then he is worth. I wonder what the team would look like with a top flight point guard and a healthy (obviously this is FAR from any kind of dream let alone a lock, I'm just musing here) Oden/LMA. So many trades get shot down, so many players don't fit all because of Roy. I wonder about that sometimes.

(If I wasn't getting crucified before I'm pretty sure half of you are on the phone to Pontius Pilate right now).

Explain.

 

[BGrantFan]

Sometimes I think that Clyde Drexler was more trouble than he was worth.

 

[BGrantFan]

Sometimes I think that Bill Walton was more trouble than he was worth.

 

[RR7]

Did Washington say no trades whatsoever? Hell I'm damn near ready to offer up LMA for that pick. I know I'll get crucified for that but if we had Brand/Oden/Camby I'd consider rolling the dice because 1 thru 3 would be set FOREVER.

No, they didn't say no trades whatsoever, but Wall is THE top prospect in the draft. Easily. Maybe Cousins on talent, if his head was on straight. I suppose they'd think about Aldridge and 2, but I can't see them at all moving the #1 pick.

 

[Idog1976]

Explain.

Not sure what happened to that part of my post. I said tons of trades get nixed because of "won't fit next to Roy" You don't hear that about Lebron, or Wade or Bosh etc. etc. Constantly I hear so and so won't work with Roy. Well why the fuck not? That tells me there is something wrong with Roy or his game.

I remember when the rest of the team was kicking ass with a healthy LMA and Oden dominating. All I heard was Roy complaining about going away from Kobe and Lebron as though he is even CLOSE to Lebron/Kobe.

I'm not denying Roy's talent, but comparing Roy to Walton and Drexler is pre-mature. We haven't even made it out of the 1st round. Walton won us a ring.