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Boy, it's fortunate for you that you chose to make this thread after a game where he didn't do that well. If you had made this thread after the big win against a division rival where he scored 10 points in the 4th quarter, I don't know if it would have made any sense :dunno:
 
AA is a very good player. I'm very happy he is a blazer. Just trade CJ for a draft pick and the problem is solved.
 
I love him. The moment he gets familiarized with our offense, I think he's going to be the perfect scorer off the bench. He's just learning our system right now. The fact, he uses his muscle and posts up hard is simply refreshing. I expect more slashing, cutting and post up after the 10 game honeymoon.
 
blue9 said:
I haven't watched all the games, but he appears to be playing with our starters a lot. It would be nice if Stotts primarily played him as the featured player with a bench unit - I thought that was the point in trading for him. Playing him with Dame, Wes, LMA seems to reduce the impact he could have.
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I think Stotts is doing that for the first period of games, so he can learn the system.
 
Why do so many people think that Pops could magically turn Claver into a NBA player? Do you think that Stotts is too stupid? Incompetent? What about Team Spain? They didn't use Claver much.

Claver has great basketball IQ but not NBA quickness.

IMO Stotts has expanded the games of Batum, LMA, Lillard and Wes. If there was a way for Claver to contribute I firmly believe Stotts would have found it.

Claver is where he belongs.
 
I'd be shocked if Rasta thought positively of a US born player over a foreign.

I'm very excited about having Afflalo on the team. We don't win the OKC game without him. Claver Barton TRob didn't help us win much of anything in years but Afflalo did it in his 3rd game.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Why do so many people think that Pops could magically turn Claver into a NBA player? Do you think that Stotts is too stupid? Incompetent? What about Team Spain? They didn't use Claver much.

Claver has great basketball IQ but not NBA quickness.

IMO Stotts has expanded the games of Batum, LMA, Lillard and Wes. If there was a way for Claver to contribute I firmly believe Stotts would have found it.

Claver is where he belongs.
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Because Pops can turn water into wine. He is basically Jesus.
 
Draco said:
I'd be shocked if Rasta thought positively of a US born player over a foreign.
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I'm so crazy I think we should've drafted Steven Adams, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Dennis Schroeder, Gorgui Dieng or Rudy Gobert over CJ. Blinded by anti-Americanism, I guess.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Why do so many people think that Pops could magically turn Claver into a NBA player? Do you think that Stotts is too stupid? Incompetent? What about Team Spain? They didn't use Claver much.

Claver has great basketball IQ but not NBA quickness.
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I think his real problem is that he can't shoot. He's otherwise very comparable to Nicolas Mirotic (another foreigner I wanted to draft over All-USA Nolan Smith - when will I learn?) Actually, that and the fact that he's almost pathalogically unassertive.

IMO Stotts has expanded the games of Batum, LMA, Lillard and Wes. If there was a way for Claver to contribute I firmly believe Stotts would have found it.
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One can agree with the first part of the above without believing that the second part follows. Stotts has a system that benefits certain players and not others. You may be right that there's NO NBA system in which Claver would flourish, but the fact that he didn't do so for Stotts (or wasn't even given much of a chance) doesn't prove it.

Claver is where he belongs.
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Moscow? Harsh!
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Where are all the PER-heads? What's Afflalo's PER?
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A point better than Claver's, and two points better than Will Barton's.

While we're talking small sample size judgments, Alonzo Gee's PER is sixth best on the team.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I think his real problem is that he can't shoot. He's otherwise very comparable to Nicolas Mirotic (another foreigner I wanted to draft over All-USA Nolan Smith - when will I learn?) Actually, that and the fact that he's almost pathalogically unassertive.



One can agree with the first part of the above without believing that the second part follows. Stotts has a system that benefits certain players and not others. You may be right that there's NO NBA system in which Claver would flourish, but the fact that he didn't do so for Stotts (or wasn't even given much of a chance) doesn't prove it.



Moscow? Harsh!
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Shoot, why stop there? Why not go back over every draft and tell us about all the foreign players we passed on?
 
BlazerCaravan said:
A point better than Claver's, and two points better than Will Barton's.
While we're talking small sample size judgments, Alonzo Gee's PER is sixth best on the team.
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"Small sample size"? So this is the PER since the trade, I take it? That would be odd, given the numbers Will's been putting up (and, of course, Claver hasn't put up any numbers at all). So what IS the sample size? And why so coy about giving actual numbers?
 
Rastapopoulos said:
"Small sample size"? So this is the PER since the trade, I take it? That would be odd, given the numbers Will's been putting up (and, of course, Claver hasn't put up any numbers at all). So what IS the sample size? And why so coy about giving actual numbers?
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If you seriously don't understand the value of adding a veteran wing who can score and play defense, I really really don't know what to tell you.

We traded three unreliable young guys who needed minutes to develop. We didn't have time to play Will or Vic. We couldn't live through their learning experiences. We're in a playoff hunt right now. Denver is a lottery team. Philly is a lottery team. They can play Will and TRob through their ups and downs. We can't. You seriously don't understand this?

Terry can put AA out on the floor and not worry about him making some stupid mistake or allow the other team to go on a crazy run because he's playing like a rookie. We have plenty of young guys to develop right now. CJ, Meyers, Crabbe, etc. We didn't need half our team to be guys in their first four years in the league.
 
I woke up today and was hoping that this was a bad dream that someone would create this asinine thread.

And someone actually did.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
"Small sample size"? So this is the PER since the trade, I take it? That would be odd, given the numbers Will's been putting up (and, of course, Claver hasn't put up any numbers at all). So what IS the sample size? And why so coy about giving actual numbers?
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It's PER with the Blazers, which is relevant to my interests. We are not Denver (thank FUCKING god), so Will's performance with Denver is meaningless.

Why so coy with asking me why I'm so coy? You know why, and so do I. I'd like you to say it, and you want me to say it... the way we flirt is shameless, really.
 
The fact that anyone would even consider using Barton vs Afflalo as an argument is pretty ridiculous. The sample size is very simple.... When Barton was in the game as a Blazer, I fucking cringed!!! He was absolutely our worst fucking player on the team.

I'm saddened by T.Rob because I liked him as a player. But he was not even close either..
 
BlazerCaravan said:
It's PER with the Blazers, which is relevant to my interests. We are not Denver (thank FUCKING god), so Will's performance with Denver is meaningless.
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So Afflalo's PER with the Blazers is only one point better than Claver's? Yikes. Good thing PER doesn't mean anything...

the way we flirt is shameless, really.
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Which one of us is Calvin and which one Susie Derkins?
 
Rastapopoulos said:
So Afflalo's PER with the Blazers is only one point better than Claver's? Yikes. Good thing PER doesn't mean anything...



Which one of us is Calvin and which one Susie Derkins?
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I'll be Susie since you're the one playing Calvinball with your point in this thread. :ghoti:
 
At least I realize that our child is a rabbit.

But back to Afflalo: he seems okay, but it also seems clear that he looked better because he was on crappy teams. He's an average NBA player at best (with a funky slow release on his shot). To be fair, that makes him instantly our best bench player, but I was also surprised to see he is already 29.
 
At least I realize your one true love is imaginary and will never be real.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
At least I realize that our child is a rabbit.

But back to Afflalo: he seems okay, but it also seems clear that he looked better because he was on crappy teams. He's an average NBA player at best (with a funky slow release on his shot). To be fair, that makes him instantly our best bench player, but I was also surprised to see he is already 29.
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lol. He's been in the league 7 years....

Hes what this team needed. Hes fine. I cant believe there's even an argument about him.
 
His value will be tested in the playoffs, then we'll see. We didn't give up much to get him. We could bring back TRob next year if we wanted to. Will and Victor weren't doing anything for us. As for CJ, I think the guy is a bust. Too small, not quick enough, not consistent on his shot, not a strong defender. I think he's very average. I hope I'm wrong about him, but I'm not worried about stunting his growth. He's a 4 year college guy right? I don't think he's gonna get much better.
 
fumanchu said:
His value will be tested in the playoffs, then we'll see. We didn't give up much to get him. We could bring back TRob next year if we wanted to. Will and Victor weren't doing anything for us. As for CJ, I think the guy is a bust. Too small, not quick enough, not consistent on his shot, not a strong defender. I think he's very average. I hope I'm wrong about him, but I'm not worried about stunting his growth. He's a 4 year college guy right? I don't think he's gonna get much better.
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I think some peoples (Though it seems to be a smaller and smaller minority) beef is that CJ was getting into a groove right before the trade... so they have this dream that he was going to continue that.

I'm glad we got Afflalo, I'd rather have proven than yes-no-maybe-so.
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
There were some players I wanted over him, but I must say he seems to be the perfect fit. I want to give him more than 3 games, because he seems to be playing at a very high energy level, and I'm not sure he can sustain it. I wonder how much of his energy has to do with excitement over a new and improved situation. If he can keep this energy and do tinue to learn the offensive and defensive sets, then I think come playoff time he will be big time for us. It has the potential to go down as the best move by any team this season.

I don't usually like the "been there" argument, but playoff experience is important and I'm sure if you looked at the statistics of it you would see that players generally improve their playoff success the more often they have been there. The reason I don't like the argument is because it is completely possible for players to show up and be big with little or no playoff experience - look at dame in his first playoff series last season.* That being said I think Afflalo seems like the type of player who has gotten close, and really wants to win it all.

*By the way I think this needs to be talked about more come playoff time. How difficult will it be for him to improve on last years performance.
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Afflalo never got close with Denver. Never even got out of the first round. He did go to ECF with Pistons but I think that was his rookie year and he wasn't much of a factor.
 
blue9 said:
I haven't watched all the games, but he appears to be playing with our starters a lot. It would be nice if Stotts primarily played him as the featured player with a bench unit - I thought that was the point in trading for him. Playing him with Dame, Wes, LMA seems to reduce the impact he could have.
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We always have starters on the floor.
 
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