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Yeah there are few better feelings than reading someone's insult that has a huge speeling Arror....
 
The Trump campaign is reportedly 'discussing contingency plans to bypass election results'

President Trump's campaign is discussing "contingency plans" that would involve bypassing the result of November's election, reports The Atlantic.

The report delves into possible scenarios if Trump apparently loses the 2020 presidential election but doesn't concede, noting that although we're used to electors being selected based on the popular vote, "nothing in the Constitution says it has to be that way." Citing Republican Party sources, The Atlantic says that Trump's campaign is "discussing contingency plans to bypass election results and appoint loyal electors in battleground states where Republicans hold the legislative majority."

The campaign would reportedly assert that this step was necessary due to claims of supposed voter fraud, which experts have noted is extraordinarily rare, ahead of the "safe harbor" deadline to appoint 538 electors on Dec. 8.

"Trump would ask state legislators to set aside the popular vote and exercise their power to choose a slate of electors directly," The Atlantic reports. "The longer Trump succeeds in keeping the vote count in doubt, the more pressure legislators will feel to act before the safe-harbor deadline expires."

A Trump campaign legal adviser who spoke to The Atlantic said that in this scenario, "the state legislatures will say, 'All right, we've been given this constitutional power. We don't think the results of our own state are accurate, so here's our slate of electors that we think properly reflect the results of our state." Lawrence Tabas, chair of the Pennsylvania Republican Party, also told The Atlantic he has discussed the direct appointment of electors with the Trump campaign, saying, "I've mentioned it to them, and I hope they're thinking about it too." The Trump campaign saidit is "fighting for a free and fair election."

This potential scenario is just one part of the broader piece in which experts warn "conditions are ripe for a constitutional crisis." Read more at The Atlantic.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/9391...ing-contingency-plans-bypass-election-results

 
SlyPokerDog said:
The Trump campaign is reportedly 'discussing contingency plans to bypass election results'

President Trump's campaign is discussing "contingency plans" that would involve bypassing the result of November's election, reports The Atlantic.

The report delves into possible scenarios if Trump apparently loses the 2020 presidential election but doesn't concede, noting that although we're used to electors being selected based on the popular vote, "nothing in the Constitution says it has to be that way." Citing Republican Party sources, The Atlantic says that Trump's campaign is "discussing contingency plans to bypass election results and appoint loyal electors in battleground states where Republicans hold the legislative majority."

The campaign would reportedly assert that this step was necessary due to claims of supposed voter fraud, which experts have noted is extraordinarily rare, ahead of the "safe harbor" deadline to appoint 538 electors on Dec. 8.

"Trump would ask state legislators to set aside the popular vote and exercise their power to choose a slate of electors directly," The Atlantic reports. "The longer Trump succeeds in keeping the vote count in doubt, the more pressure legislators will feel to act before the safe-harbor deadline expires."

A Trump campaign legal adviser who spoke to The Atlantic said that in this scenario, "the state legislatures will say, 'All right, we've been given this constitutional power. We don't think the results of our own state are accurate, so here's our slate of electors that we think properly reflect the results of our state." Lawrence Tabas, chair of the Pennsylvania Republican Party, also told The Atlantic he has discussed the direct appointment of electors with the Trump campaign, saying, "I've mentioned it to them, and I hope they're thinking about it too." The Trump campaign saidit is "fighting for a free and fair election."

This potential scenario is just one part of the broader piece in which experts warn "conditions are ripe for a constitutional crisis." Read more at The Atlantic.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/9391...ing-contingency-plans-bypass-election-results
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Fucking bastard.
 
Lanny said:
Fucking bastard.
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the reason that fucking bastard is considering being a massive fucking bastard is because just about every damn elected republican is a an immoral slimy corrupt piece of shit that gives trump cover for pulling stunts like this

the R's are an enemy of american democracy....they simply don't give a shit about the country, only their power. If you wait for any reactions to this news from republicans condemning this unconstitutional strategy, you'll be waiting a damn long time. And this is why the R's are in such a rush to get another judge on the SC...they are hoping that judge will give them the SC votes to essentially kill our democracy. Biden could win 400 electoral votes and the general election by 60% to 40% and trump and the R's will still try to ignore the results.
 
Lanny said:
Fucking bastard.
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Not going to happen, his wife and kid will have the final say and he will leave without military escorts.
I work for a fortune 500 Corporation that police escorted employees out if they were laid off or fired. I watched them escort a 40 year company man out rather than let him retire on his own terms.
 
stampedehero said:
Mmmmm. Looks like a dumb shit that puts a Trump flag on his row boat. These are the kind of people Trump has attracted.
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You have been "Terhuned"!
This guy has made a bunch of these videos. Go back and actually listen. I'll post a few more.

How dare you use the Presidents words against him to make him look bad?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
The Trump campaign is reportedly 'discussing contingency plans to bypass election results'

President Trump's campaign is discussing "contingency plans" that would involve bypassing the result of November's election, reports The Atlantic.

The report delves into possible scenarios if Trump apparently loses the 2020 presidential election but doesn't concede, noting that although we're used to electors being selected based on the popular vote, "nothing in the Constitution says it has to be that way." Citing Republican Party sources, The Atlantic says that Trump's campaign is "discussing contingency plans to bypass election results and appoint loyal electors in battleground states where Republicans hold the legislative majority."

The campaign would reportedly assert that this step was necessary due to claims of supposed voter fraud, which experts have noted is extraordinarily rare, ahead of the "safe harbor" deadline to appoint 538 electors on Dec. 8.

"Trump would ask state legislators to set aside the popular vote and exercise their power to choose a slate of electors directly," The Atlantic reports. "The longer Trump succeeds in keeping the vote count in doubt, the more pressure legislators will feel to act before the safe-harbor deadline expires."

A Trump campaign legal adviser who spoke to The Atlantic said that in this scenario, "the state legislatures will say, 'All right, we've been given this constitutional power. We don't think the results of our own state are accurate, so here's our slate of electors that we think properly reflect the results of our state." Lawrence Tabas, chair of the Pennsylvania Republican Party, also told The Atlantic he has discussed the direct appointment of electors with the Trump campaign, saying, "I've mentioned it to them, and I hope they're thinking about it too." The Trump campaign saidit is "fighting for a free and fair election."

This potential scenario is just one part of the broader piece in which experts warn "conditions are ripe for a constitutional crisis." Read more at The Atlantic.

https://theweek.com/speedreads/9391...ing-contingency-plans-bypass-election-results
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The scary thing is I can see that happening. And for some reason a lot of republicans are ok with it. If the Dems did this how would the republicans react?

If Trump does this, he is committing treason and there will be chaos at levels we have never seen. He might not give the people much choice.

The Declaration of Independence cites the duty of the people should something like this happen...

'whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. '

'But, when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.'

It also lists the many "injuries" and "usurpations" of King George of England that was the cause for our new nation. Do some of these sound familiar?

"He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions."
 
e_blazer said:
Isn't there enough to worry about right now without making up doomsday scenarios?
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Sure

I doubt he makes it to 90 anyway with his unhealthy ways. Lord Pence will be fearless leader by then.
 
Chris Craig said:
The scary thing is I can see that happening. And for some reason a lot of republicans are ok with it. If the Dems did this how would the republicans react?

If Trump does this, he is committing treason and there will be chaos at levels we have never seen. He might not give the people much choice.

The Declaration of Independence cites the duty of the people should something like this happen...

'whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundation on such principles, and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness. '

'But, when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.'

It also lists the many "injuries" and "usurpations" of King George of England that was the cause for our new nation. Do some of these sound familiar?

"He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.

He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.

He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.

He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.

He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.

He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.

He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.

He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.

He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:

For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:

For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:

For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:

For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences

For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:

For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.

He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.

He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions."
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To be clear. I am not advocating the overthrowing of our government. I am saying Trump might create a situation, where ultimately the majority may elect to do that.
 
Chris Craig said:
Sure

I doubt he makes it to 90 anyway with his unhealthy ways. Lord Pence will be fearless leader by then.
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The atmosphere of fear in our country right now is toxic. Liberals afraid of Trump stealing the election or refusing to leave office, not to mention stacking the Supreme Court with right wing zealots. Blacks thinking every cop is out to blow them away for no cause. Right wingers thinking that Biden's going to win and come after their guns or adopt a socialist agenda. Hispanics thinking that they're going to get deported. Throw in the virus and the economic chaos that it's caused, forest fires and hurricanes, global warming, and on and on. It's no wonder that everyone is about to go bonkers.

Thank goodness our fearless leader is there to keep a lid on everything.
 
e_blazer said:
The atmosphere of fear in our country right now is toxic. Liberals afraid of Trump stealing the election or refusing to leave office, not to mention stacking the Supreme Court with right wing zealots. Blacks thinking every cop is out to blow them away for no cause. Right wingers thinking that Biden's going to win and come after their guns or adopt a socialist agenda. Hispanics thinking that they're going to get deported. Throw in the virus and the economic chaos that it's caused, forest fires and hurricanes, global warming, and on and on. It's no wonder that everyone is about to go bonkers.

Thank goodness our fearless leader is there to keep a lid on everything.
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Yes, there is a lot of fear right now. Too much. On all sides. We forgot we were all supposed to be on the same side. Sad
 
e_blazer said:
The atmosphere of fear in our country right now is toxic. Liberals afraid of Trump stealing the election or refusing to leave office, not to mention stacking the Supreme Court with right wing zealots. Blacks thinking every cop is out to blow them away for no cause. Right wingers thinking that Biden's going to win and come after their guns or adopt a socialist agenda. Hispanics thinking that they're going to get deported. Throw in the virus and the economic chaos that it's caused, forest fires and hurricanes, global warming, and on and on. It's no wonder that everyone is about to go bonkers.

Thank goodness our fearless leader is there to keep a lid on everything.
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Considering the sovereign debt crisis around the world, I think this is just the tip of the iceberg. The next 10+/- years are going to be chaos.
 
Hoopguru said:
Not going to happen, his wife and kid will have the final say and he will leave without military escorts.
I work for a fortune 500 Corporation that police escorted employees out if they were laid off or fired. I watched them escort a 40 year company man out rather than let him retire on his own terms.
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This sort of thing happened at every big company I've worked at plus Intel where I've never worked.
 
illmatic99 said:
A part of me wants Biden to reinforce this as his campaign message. That he would not let the crimes Trump committed while in office be ignored.
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I see two realities ahead:

1. a continuation of this one with more corruption and cronyism and nepotism and the ugly side of capitalism; more division, more hate, uprisings and chaos; more blame and unaccountability and I think you recognize where I'm going with this

and...

2. a time of healing and unity, like neighbors cleaning up together after a storm; a time where the animosity sort of gets behind a social shield again, where it is bad to just go with your impulses and prejudices and say whatever pops into your head, where we're in this together...

My point as to your point is that there goddamn better be a time when Trump pays for his crimes. But what I worry about is just a different version of what we have now: "Lock her up!" ad infinitum. As I see it, what needs to happen is New York needs to get him for the fraud they are currently investigating and Biden needs to stay mum, THEN look into the other things. Because it has to be 100% clear and unbiased, otherwise the cult members stay cult members...
 
Propagandist said:
I see two realities ahead:

1. a continuation of this one with more corruption and cronyism and nepotism and the ugly side of capitalism; more division, more hate, uprisings and chaos; more blame and unaccountability and I think you recognize where I'm going with this

and...

2. a time of healing and unity, like neighbors cleaning up together after a storm; a time where the animosity sort of gets behind a social shield again, where it is bad to just go with your impulses and prejudices and say whatever pops into your head, where we're in this together...

My point as to your point is that there goddamn better be a time when Trump pays for his crimes. But what I worry about is just a different version of what we have now: "Lock her up!" ad infinitum. As I see it, what needs to happen is New York needs to get him for the fraud they are currently investigating and Biden needs to stay mum, THEN look into the other things. Because it has to be 100% clear and unbiased, otherwise the cult members stay cult members...
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If Biden wins this right now is the "Calm Before the Storm".
 
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