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Pretty simple. Look at the states and cities that have highly restrictive gun laws, ie Chicago or Maryland or Detroit. Not working out so well, is it.
I don't know. Is it not? What are the numbers? And even if it's not working there yet, it doesn't mean we should just give up and say fuck it, sometimes children just get shot, deal with it.
 
I don't even understand why people have to "protect their home" with guns. I live in New York Fucking City and I don't own a gun and I'm fucking fine.
 
Why do we care SO MUCH about what all these FOUNDING FATHERS thought??? Yes, they started our country but they aren't GOD and they shouldn't be worshipped as such! The Constitution isn't a Bible and the Second AMENDMENT is not a COMMANDMENT. The Constitution can be CHANGED. Fuck guns. I'm sick of people being shot up. The less guns the better.

I don't know. Is it not? What are the numbers? And even if it's not working there yet, it doesn't mean we should just give up and say fuck it, sometimes children just get shot, deal with it.

I don't even understand why people have to "protect their home" with guns. I live in New York Fucking City and I don't own a gun and I'm fucking fine.

I can not recall ever hearing and American say anything nearly this fucked up. But then to cap it off with, I'm fucking fine.
does put the final edge on just how far out, it is intend to be.
 
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I live in small neighborhood, not part of any town or city near Bandon. We maintain our roads and have a Neighborhood Watch.
If we need a Sheriff, it will likely be the next day, but it could be another before a deputy shows up.
The residents come to the place from all over the country, well the world really. From States of; Arizona, California, Minnesota, Georgia, New York, Rhode Island, Washington. The Countries of UK, Switzerland, Germany, Italy, South Africa, Kenya, and Japan.

I don't think KingSpeed's attitude and disrespect for this nation would acceptable to any of the residents in my neighborhood.
Several would be appalled at the lack of understanding by an American, of the blessings including the rule of law, we have as Americans.
 
I don't think KingSpeed's attitude and disrespect for this nation would acceptable to any of the residents in my neighborhood.
Several would be appalled at the lack of understanding by an American, of the blessings including the rule of law, we have as Americans.
I think it's unfair to characterize any of KS's posts as "disrespect for this nation".
 
I don't know. Is it not? What are the numbers? And even if it's not working there yet, it doesn't mean we should just give up and say fuck it, sometimes children just get shot, deal with it.


2. Baltimore, Maryland
> Murder rate: 51.4 per 100,000
> No. of murders: 318
> Violent crime rate: 1,780.4 per 100,000
> Population: 618,385

There were 51 murders in Baltimore per 100,000 residents in 2016, the most of any city other than St. Louis and more than 10 times the national rate of 5 homicides per 100,000 Americans. Baltimore also has a high prevalence of robberies. There were 857 robberies per 100,000 Baltimore residents in 2016, the most of any U.S. city.

Like many large metro areas, most of the gun violence in Baltimore is concentrated in the city’s poorest areas. According to a Baltimore Sun investigation, some 80% of gun-related homicides in Baltimore since 2011 have occurred in just 25% of the city’s neighborhoods


3. Detroit, Michigan
> Murder rate: 45.2 per 100,000
> No. of murders: 303
> Violent crime rate: 2,046.5 per 100,000
> Population: 669,673

Detroit is one of the several major metropolitan areas that largely contributed to the increase in violent crime nationwide last year. As the number of violent crimes in Detroit rose 15.7% from 2015 to 2016 — far more than the 4.1% national increase and one of the sharpest spikes of any U.S. city — Detroit surpassed St. Louis as the most dangerous city in America. There are 2,047 violent crimes for every 100,000 Detroit residents, the most of any city and far more than the national rate of 386 violent crimes per 100,000 Americans. The increase was partially driven by a rise in homicide. There were 303 murders in Detroit in 2016, eight more than the year prior and the third most of any city when adjusted for population.

5. Newark, New Jersey
> Murder rate: 35.5 per 100,000
> No. of murders: 100
> Violent crime rate: 936.9 per 100,000
> Population: 281,450

There were 36 murders per 100,000 Newark residents in 2016, nearly three times as many as any other city in New Jersey and the fifth most of any U.S. metro areas. While the relationship is complex, crime is often highest in cities with limited economic opportunity. In Newark, 7.9% of the workforce is unemployed, and 29.7% of residents live in poverty — far higher than the respective 4.9% and 15.5% national rates.

Like most large cities, much of Newark’s violent crime is concentrated in its poorest areas. According to a 2016 report by the Safer Newark Council, most violent crime in Newark occurs on just 20% of city streets, primarily in the city’s West and South Wards. The report also found that a vast majority of homicide in the city — approximately 75% — is gang or drug related.

12. Chicago, Illinois
> Murder rate: 28.1 per 100,000
> No. of murders: 765
> Violent crime rate: 1,105.5 per 100,000
> Population: 2,725,153

No city contributed more to the increase in the national homicide rate last year than Chicago. There were 287 more murders in Chicago in 2016 than there were in 2015, a 60% increase. In total, the city’s homicide rate of 29 murders per 100,000 residents last year was nearly six times the national rate of 5 homicides per 100,000 Americans.

Chicago’s spiraling crime rate has prompted analysis from sociologists and other experts, yet there is little consensus as to what is causing the spike in violence. One factor contributing to the high homicide rate in Chicago is gun violence. While the homicide rate in Chicago when guns are not involved is roughly similar to the rate in similar cities like New York, the city’s firearm-related homicide rate is one of the highest in the country. Chicago currently has more lenient firearm sentencing laws than New York. Illegal gun possession carries a one-year minimum sentence in Chicago, compared to 3.5 years in New York.



Just a few of the obvious places that have had strict gun laws over a long time. Not a matter of needing more time, they are failed policies
 
I think it's unfair to characterize any of KS's posts as "disrespect for this nation".

One of the outstanding things about this Nation is it's Constitution and the codified rights we have as individuals in the Bill rights.
When you disrespect that then I see it as disrespecting the nation. Every man (person) the enters the Service takes and oath
to uphold and defend the Constitution of the United States. Kingspeed's words and opinion would not let him do this without it just being a lie. Now I don't mind if you disagree with me, but if as an American, you can not take the oath to uphold and defend the Constitution, that many men have done and died in the effort, then you do disrespect the Nation and all those that have served her. My opinion.

You may wish to change the Constitution, the amendment process is there for that purpose, but to preach disregard for it, is disrespect.
 
That's bullshit. These kids that are shooting up classrooms aren't "criminals." They're just KIDS who are fucked up in the head and if it's EASY for them to get a gun, they may shoot themselves or others. Obviously, once they've committed the crime, they are criminals. But it's not like these are thugs or members of organized crime. These are people for whom it is too easy for them to get a gun.


I suggest you see my Pryor response, even where there are very strict gun policies, those that wish to commit crime, do so. Sorry, Eric, it is not bullshit.
 
You may wish to change the Constitution, the amendment process is there for that purpose, but to preach disregard for it, is disrespect.

Except he didn't preach disregard; he simply said that it's not a commandment and could be changed. Sounds right in line with what you're saying.
 
Except he didn't preach disregard; he simply said that it's not a commandment and could be changed. Sounds right in line with what you're saying.

Seems like the use god and commandments, is preaching disregard to me. If he means what you suggest, then let him say so.
If he feels he could take the oath to uphold and defend the Constitution and define a change he would support, let his say so.
I would be pleased to support his right to advocate for the change. An apology could be made easily with the clarity. Of course the rest of the statement would remain true.
 
I don't think KingSpeed's attitude and disrespect for this nation
c'mon......this is clearly disrespect aimed at a fellow American ...questioning policy or expressing one's views on shootings in the news is not disrespecting the nation....it's exercising our freedom of speech...pretty American thing to do...you disagree...fine...nobody will question your patriotism for doing so....one would think the courtesy would be extended to Kingspeed.....only one sort of disrespect floating around your post Marz...
 
Seems like the use god and commandments, is preaching disregard to me. If he means what you suggest, then let him say so.
If he feels he could take the oath to uphold and defend the Constitution and define a change he would support, let his say so.
I would be pleased to support his right to advocate for the change. An apology could be made easily with the clarity. Of course the rest of the statement would remain true.
He very well could. And, I very well could be wrong. Personally, I just like to believe the best of people and their intentions. Given the choice between assuming that he wants to simply disregard the Constitution, and assuming that he's advocating amending a portion of it he feels is obsolete, I'm generally going to opt for the latter.

Just a personal preference.
 
2. Baltimore, Maryland
> Murder rate: 51.4 per 100,000
> No. of murders: 318
> Violent crime rate: 1,780.4 per 100,000
> Population: 618,385

There were 51 murders in Baltimore per 100,000 residents in 2016, the most of any city other than St. Louis and more than 10 times the national rate of 5 homicides per 100,000 Americans. Baltimore also has a high prevalence of robberies. There were 857 robberies per 100,000 Baltimore residents in 2016, the most of any U.S. city.

Like many large metro areas, most of the gun violence in Baltimore is concentrated in the city’s poorest areas. According to a Baltimore Sun investigation, some 80% of gun-related homicides in Baltimore since 2011 have occurred in just 25% of the city’s neighborhoods


3. Detroit, Michigan
> Murder rate: 45.2 per 100,000
> No. of murders: 303
> Violent crime rate: 2,046.5 per 100,000
> Population: 669,673

Detroit is one of the several major metropolitan areas that largely contributed to the increase in violent crime nationwide last year. As the number of violent crimes in Detroit rose 15.7% from 2015 to 2016 — far more than the 4.1% national increase and one of the sharpest spikes of any U.S. city — Detroit surpassed St. Louis as the most dangerous city in America. There are 2,047 violent crimes for every 100,000 Detroit residents, the most of any city and far more than the national rate of 386 violent crimes per 100,000 Americans. The increase was partially driven by a rise in homicide. There were 303 murders in Detroit in 2016, eight more than the year prior and the third most of any city when adjusted for population.

5. Newark, New Jersey
> Murder rate: 35.5 per 100,000
> No. of murders: 100
> Violent crime rate: 936.9 per 100,000
> Population: 281,450

There were 36 murders per 100,000 Newark residents in 2016, nearly three times as many as any other city in New Jersey and the fifth most of any U.S. metro areas. While the relationship is complex, crime is often highest in cities with limited economic opportunity. In Newark, 7.9% of the workforce is unemployed, and 29.7% of residents live in poverty — far higher than the respective 4.9% and 15.5% national rates.

Like most large cities, much of Newark’s violent crime is concentrated in its poorest areas. According to a 2016 report by the Safer Newark Council, most violent crime in Newark occurs on just 20% of city streets, primarily in the city’s West and South Wards. The report also found that a vast majority of homicide in the city — approximately 75% — is gang or drug related.

12. Chicago, Illinois
> Murder rate: 28.1 per 100,000
> No. of murders: 765
> Violent crime rate: 1,105.5 per 100,000
> Population: 2,725,153

No city contributed more to the increase in the national homicide rate last year than Chicago. There were 287 more murders in Chicago in 2016 than there were in 2015, a 60% increase. In total, the city’s homicide rate of 29 murders per 100,000 residents last year was nearly six times the national rate of 5 homicides per 100,000 Americans.

Chicago’s spiraling crime rate has prompted analysis from sociologists and other experts, yet there is little consensus as to what is causing the spike in violence. One factor contributing to the high homicide rate in Chicago is gun violence. While the homicide rate in Chicago when guns are not involved is roughly similar to the rate in similar cities like New York, the city’s firearm-related homicide rate is one of the highest in the country. Chicago currently has more lenient firearm sentencing laws than New York. Illegal gun possession carries a one-year minimum sentence in Chicago, compared to 3.5 years in New York.



Just a few of the obvious places that have had strict gun laws over a long time. Not a matter of needing more time, they are failed policies

Strict gun laws in Illinois have no effect on Indiana where most of the murdering guns come from.
 
Which kind can do the most damage?

Which kind of damage are you talking about? If you're talking about strictly how much damage each caliber of bullet can do, the AR-15 is not very high on the list. The 5.56 round (also known as .223) is rather small compared to larger hunting rounds and does not hit with as much force.

If you're talking about overall damage inflicted in terms of number of people killed, hand guns have done vastly more killing than assault rifles. It's not even close. By and large, the AR-15 has killed very few people every year.
 
hand guns have done vastly more killing than assault rifles.
handguns are so unnecessary..in my view they are a huge problem especially in urban areas...my father used to shoot steers to butcher with a 22 short round..one bullet...steer weighs usually over 1000 lbs..the idea that small caliber bullets can't kill is wrong...
 
He very well could. And, I very well could be wrong. Personally, I just like to believe the best of people and their intentions. Given the choice between assuming that he wants to simply disregard the Constitution, and assuming that he's advocating amending a portion of it he feels is obsolete, I'm generally going to opt for the latter.

Just a personal preference.

And there we differ. Not only do I think he is ill informed, I think he let his mouth run uncontrolled, unconnected to the brain.
But, he can clarify.
 
Why do we care SO MUCH about what all these FOUNDING FATHERS thought??? Yes, they started our country but they aren't GOD and they shouldn't be worshipped as such! The Constitution isn't a Bible and the Second AMENDMENT is not a COMMANDMENT. The Constitution can be CHANGED. Fuck guns. I'm sick of people being shot up. The less guns the better.

The constitution is a far better piece of paper than the Bible has ever been. It has protected people from persecution. It has led the way for people to worship whichever god they choose. It allows us to protest and disagree with our government. The bible gives you zero freedoms and protects zero rights. Commandments don't hold up in court. The constitution does. Guns have helped liberate millions of people. They have protected freedoms and lives. Guns have only been around for a few hundred years, but violence and persecution has been around since the dawn of man. We currently live in the safest time in human history. Guns are part of the reason for that safety.
 
He asked what does the most damage. Nobody said anything about small caliber bullets being unable to kill.
I'm not him....and for the record....I brought the topic up in reference to your post about the AR15's bullets...
 
pot kettle black.......what exactly would you say this post of yours is doing?


Yeah well, you very often do not agree with me. Now let me ask you to consider this question.
Given the following statement quoted, would you believe a man's oath to uphold and defend the Constitution,
or would you consider it bull shit?

"Why do we care SO MUCH about what all these FOUNDING FATHERS thought??? Yes, they started our country but they aren't GOD and they shouldn't be worshipped as such! The Constitution isn't a Bible..."
 
Yeah well, you very often do not agree with me. Now let me ask you to consider this question.
Given the following statement quoted, would you believe a man's oath to uphold and defend the Constitution,
or would you consider it bull shit?

"Why do we care SO MUCH about what all these FOUNDING FATHERS thought??? Yes, they started our country but they aren't GOD and they shouldn't be worshipped as such! The Constitution isn't a Bible..."
He has every right to express this sentiment...it doesn't have anything to do with him taking an oath...the Constitution is a document...people make it work...not the piece of paper it's written on......it's also been upgraded as time has gone on...that process is now being addressed again..as it should. I feel the same about religion and the Bible.
 
I'm not him....and for the record....I brought the topic up in reference to your post about the AR15's bullets...

Cool. Nobody even remotely made any kind of reference to the lethality of any kind of bullet. So you're just making a strawman argument.
 
And? Just because the possibility of nuclear war exists, doesn't mean that it will happen. When was the last world war? MAD has prevented a third world war, despite all of the fear mongering to the contrary.
our capacity for destruction is way beyond any period in history...we have weapons that can destroy the planet now...we're not safer by a long stretch
 
You said "the idea that small bullets can't kill is wrong."

Nobody had that idea, so nobody was wrong. Is that correct?
I had that idea....actually first hand experience....and for the record....I know what I posted...move on if my post doesn't interest you or prop up your take on the topic
 
Their is not one man in this forum that can write an amendment that would appease the liberals, an at the same time, expect it to pass successfully through the amendment process. After repeated times of being asked to offer an amendment, none have do so.
So what is your point except to ignore the Constitutions? And advocate for what you want in spite of the 2nd amendment?
 

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