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Pinwheel1 said:
Did they get punished last year when they struggled against Idaho? They were #1 in the country by late October.
As long as they are a top 4 team in the Big 10, they are more than likely getting into the playoffs. It might not be ideal playing oSU every year, but it's not going to hurt them. I think it is worth it to keep the rivalry going.
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Here’s another point I think is missing. That Beavers game will provide stats for certain players looking to pad their Heisman hopes. The team also will get one more chance to bolster that yds per game, yds per play, sacks, pts scored/allowed type statistics that seem to hold water in certain areas.
The Beavers are essentially another tune up game where they could work in new wrinkles on offense or defense.
On top of all of that that game this week could be a simple keep em sharp but don’t get anyone hurt type one half to three quarters type game. In this case Penn State already is gearing up for the Ducks. You can bet they will be watching.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
You seemed to have left out the part where they were #1 in the country by late October.
What a punishment those non-conference games turned out to be. Clearly, who they played in those September non-conference games made no difference.
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because they continued to beat P4 teams, not because they beat G6 teams. It isn't rocket science...for elite teams, the best they can hope for from beating G6 teams is gaining about the same credit they get for a bye

but my bigger point has always been that Oregon is stupid to be scheduling road games at a G6 program. If they are going to have home-and-home, do like all of their P4 peers are doing and make it a 2 season home-and-home against a P4 team. For instance they had one of those with Texas Tech. The Red Raiders were scheduled to play at Autzen last season, but Oregon cancelled their visit in order to travel to Corvallis. I know a lot of season ticket holders who were really pissed off about that
 
wizenheimer said:
because they continued to beat P4 teams, not because they beat G6 teams. It isn't rocket science...for elite teams, the best they can hope for from beating G6 teams is gaining about the same credit they get for a bye
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Right, beating the P4 teams is all that matters. They are now in a conference where they just need to be in the top 4 in the conference to make the playoffs. Assuming they don't lose too many games during non-conference
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So if beating a team like the Beavs is like having a bye, so be it. Although I think some of you are underestimating the Beavs in the future. They have sucked in the past, and they will suck in the future....but not every year.
 
wizenheimer said:
because they continued to beat P4 teams, not because they beat G6 teams. It isn't rocket science...for elite teams, the best they can hope for from beating G6 teams is gaining about the same credit they get for a bye

but my bigger point has always been that Oregon is stupid to be scheduling road games at a G6 program. If they are going to have home-and-home, do like all of their P4 peers are doing and make it a 2 season home-and-home against a P4 team. For instance they had one of those with Texas Tech. The Red Raiders were scheduled to play at Autzen last season, but Oregon cancelled their visit in order to travel to Corvallis. I know a lot of season ticket holders who were really pissed off about that
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You are saying you personally know a lot of season ticket holders that were upset that they played the Beavers in Corvallis instead of Texas Tech?
That seems like it would cancel itself out by the numerous ticket holders that were happy to see the Civil War game still being played.
 
kjironman1 said:
You are saying you personally know a lot of season ticket holders that were upset that they played the Beavers in Corvallis instead of Texas Tech?
That seems like it would cancel itself out by the numerous ticket holders that were happy to see the Civil War game still being played.
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not the case with the season ticket holders I know, and it's probably a dozen or more
 
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not the case with the season ticket holders I know, and it's probably a dozen or more
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IDK? I just hear a bunch of people wanting to keep this game going. Most don't really care about revenue for the school or what the win will look like at the end of the season.
It's the Civil War game. Original Divided House game in a bunch of towns throughout the state.
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kjironman1 said:
IDK? I just hear a bunch of people wanting to keep this game going. Most don't really care about revenue for the school or what the win will look like at the end of the season.
It's the Civil War game. Original Divided House game in a bunch of towns throughout the state.
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I think you're really overrating the depth of the 'keep it going' sentiment. Most OSU fans don't want it and I think a majority of Oregon fans don't want it, especially at the expense of some compelling OOC games the Ducks might schedule against other P4 teams. What I've heard is that one Oregon fan who wants to keep it going is Knight, so it's going
 
If the Beavers were to go undefeated in the Pac-12 next year, which playoffs would they be in? The same one that the Ducks were in last year? So the Ducks and Beavers are considered to be on the same level in college football.

If the Beavers want to compete at the highest level, they need to play their traditional in-state rival.
 
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If the Beavers were to go undefeated in the Pac-12 next year, which playoffs would they be in? The same one that the Ducks were in last year? So the Ducks and Beavers are considered to be on the same level in college football.

If the Beavers want to compete at the highest level, they need to play their traditional in-state rival.
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Certainly seems like the Beavers want their home game. Not willing to only play at Oregon.
It is an interesting situation.
If they cut Oregon altogether and only play the new PAC 12 games and become the big fish in a smaller pool so to speak, they look better nationally and may even rank high enough to get into the playoffs.
 
kjironman1 said:
Certainly seems like the Beavers want their home game. Not willing to only play at Oregon.
It is an interesting situation.
If they cut Oregon altogether and only play the new PAC 12 games and become the big fish in a smaller pool so to speak, they look better nationally and may even rank high enough to get into the playoffs.
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they'd have to be the big fish in the entire G6 landscape, not just the Pac-12

meaning they'd not only have to be better than Boise St, WSU, San Diego St. etc, they'd have to be better than Navy, Memphis, Tulane, Temple, South Florida, UConn, Bowling Green, UNLV, Wyoming. In other words they'd have to be obviously better than 61 other G6 teams because it's nearly certain there will only be one G6 team in the playoffs. And if the SEC and Big-10 have their way, G6 may lose their automatic slot
 
wizenheimer said:
they'd have to be the big fish in the entire G6 landscape, not just the Pac-12

meaning they'd not only have to be better than Boise St, WSU, San Diego St. etc, they'd have to be better than Navy, Memphis, Tulane, Temple, South Florida, UConn, Bowling Green, UNLV, Wyoming. In other words they'd have to be obviously better than 61 other G6 teams because it's nearly certain there will only be one G6 team in the playoffs. And if the SEC and Big-10 have their way, G6 may lose their automatic slot
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Boise State was just in the top 4.
 
kjironman1 said:
Boise State was just in the top 4.
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yes...the lone G6 team because of a guaranteed slot. This season is the last that G6 is guaranteed a slot. They were also 12-1 at CFP selection with their only loss being a 3 point loss, on the road, against the #1 rated team. That kind of resume will be really hard to match in the future
 
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yes...the lone G6 team because of a guaranteed slot. This season is the last that G6 is guaranteed a slot. They were also 12-1 at CFP selection with their only loss being a 3 point loss, on the road, against the #1 rated team. That kind of resume will be really hard to match in the future
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They are changing the format because they are also adding more teams to the playoffs and going to straight seeding. However all conference champions will still get a bid. Just not getting that first round bye. There will be 12 teams and the winner of the PAC-12 will get a spot. Unfortunately that probably won’t be the Beavers until they make some changes.
 
kjironman1 said:
They are changing the format because they are also adding more teams to the playoffs and going to straight seeding. However all conference champions will still get a bid. Just not getting that first round bye. There will be 12 teams and the winner of the PAC-12 will get a spot. Unfortunately that probably won’t be the Beavers until they make some changes.
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none of that is true at this point

the strong 'preference' is a 16 team playoff:

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so there's a distinct possibility that the 12 team format will remain in place next season

and no, the Pac-12 does not automatically get a slot. Right now it's a 5+7 format with the 5 highest ranked conference champions getting automatic bids and then 7 at large invites. Last season, Boise State was the highest ranked conference champion from the Group-of-Five (now the Group of 6). But it could have been Memphis or Tulane or South Florida

the reason(s) the format change hasn't happened yet is because of an impasse between the Big-10 and SEC:

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basically, it's the two super-conferences jockeying for dominance. The SEC actually blinked first, and did so in a big way, by finally agreeing to match the other 3 power conferences by going to a 9 game conference schedule. That was a huge concession

from what I read, it seemed like the Big-12 and ACC were slightly inclined to support the SEC's 5+11 format....BUT....the Big-10 had/has a gigantic Ace in the hole because ESPN-FOX-CBS etc preferred the Big-10 model and were willing to chip in more money if that model was adopted. And as we know, more money = 'sure, let's do that'

 

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wizenheimer said:
none of that is true at this point

the strong 'preference' is a 16 team playoff:

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so there's a distinct possibility that the 12 team format will remain in place next season

and no, the Pac-12 does not automatically get a slot. Right now it's a 5+7 format with the 5 highest ranked conference champions getting automatic bids and then 7 at large invites. Last season, Boise State was the highest ranked conference champion from the Group-of-Five (now the Group of 6). But it could have been Memphis or Tulane or South Florida

the reason(s) the format change hasn't happened yet is because of an impasse between the Big-10 and SEC:

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basically, it's the two super-conferences jockeying for dominance. The SEC actually blinked first, and did so in a big way, by finally agreeing to match the other 3 power conferences by going to a 9 game conference schedule. That was a huge concession

from what I read, it seemed like the Big-12 and ACC were slightly inclined to support the SEC's 5+11 format....BUT....the Big-10 had/has a gigantic Ace in the hole because ESPN-FOX-CBS etc preferred the Big-10 model and were willing to chip in more money if that model was adopted. And as we know, more money = 'sure, let's do that'
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They are going to straight seeding. Don't kid yourself. They are also going to 16 teams eventually. Too much money involved. Again. Don't kid yourself. Will this all be worked out by Dec 1st? Doesn't matter. If it doesn't get worked out this year they will wait another year or two so they have a better look at what the other conferences shake out to be. To me that makes sense. Wait a year or two and see what they have then.
 
kjironman1 said:
They are going to straight seeding. Don't kid yourself. They are also going to 16 teams eventually. Too much money involved. Again. Don't kid yourself. Will this all be worked out by Dec 1st? Doesn't matter. If it doesn't get worked out this year they will wait another year or two so they have a better look at what the other conferences shake out to be. To me that makes sense. Wait a year or two and see what they have then.
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16 team format?....sure, it will eventually happen if for no other reason that it would add more playoff games and more games = more money

straight seeding? If you're talking about no byes, sure; if you're talking about the CFP committee controlling everything, don't count on it. IIRC, the only conference that was in favor of that was the SEC. The reason is that kind of straight seeding puts too much power in the CFP committee and grants too much leverage to the flawed polls

the reason the SEC wants it is because they know there is a pro-SEC bias in the polls and that bias leverages the CFP committee, a lot, no matter how much they claim it doesn't

the Big-10's desired format takes a lot of influence away from the polls and power from the committee. The Big-12 and the ACC like that, and again, so do the media partners
 
Is this Penn States STARTER?
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wizenheimer said:
16 team format?....sure, it will eventually happen if for no other reason that it would add more playoff games and more games = more money

straight seeding? If you're talking about no byes, sure; if you're talking about the CFP committee controlling everything, don't count on it. IIRC, the only conference that was in favor of that was the SEC. The reason is that kind of straight seeding puts too much power in the CFP committee and grants too much leverage to the flawed polls

the reason the SEC wants it is because they know there is a pro-SEC bias in the polls and that bias leverages the CFP committee, a lot, no matter how much they claim it doesn't

the Big-10's desired format takes a lot of influence away from the polls and power from the committee. The Big-12 and the ACC like that, and again, so do the media partners
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Straight seeding refers to the ranking at the end of the season. Top 4 are top four. No more giving a bye to a team just because they were #1 in a conference like last year. It was a joke.
 
Not only was giving the conference winners a bye a joke but honestly it threw the playoff draws out of whack. Certain teams had a cakewalk road to the Championship.
 
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