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Natebishop3 said:
After the way our 2026 class has drastically changed in six months.... I really couldn't care less about 2027.
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I used to follow these kids who committed very closely. I don't even look at their video now until they sign.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I used to follow these kids who committed very closely. I don't even look at their video now until they sign.
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Do what you will, but a vast majority of kids who make a verbal commit go on to sign. Anyone who says otherwise is overwhelmed by basic math. Pritchett is currently rated the 31st best overall 2027 prospect per rivals and here's the highlight you wont watch... you're welcome!



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NIL and the transfer portal have drastically changed recruiting. Families and agents are heavily involved now and many are demanding payments to even visit. And asking for a ton to make a commitment knowing that it's non-binding and that de-commitments are part of building a brand

rumors are pretty heavy that Oregon is more focused on using NIL to retain their own players and invest in transfers. That doesn't mean that Oregon is de-emphasizing HS recruits. It does mean the Ducks are not going to allow themselves to be leveraged by families and agents
 
wizenheimer said:
NIL and the transfer portal have drastically changed recruiting. Families and agents are heavily involved now and many are demanding payments to even visit. And asking for a ton to make a commitment knowing that it's non-binding and that de-commitments are part of building a brand

rumors are pretty heavy that Oregon is more focused on using NIL to retain their own players and invest in transfers. That doesn't mean that Oregon is de-emphasizing HS recruits. It does mean the Ducks are not going to allow themselves to be leveraged by families and agents
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Makes sense. People are WAY overpaying for players that may or may not even work out. Reminds me of when the NBA was drafting high schoolers and Euros who had zero tape to show they deserved the high position.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Makes sense. People are WAY overpaying for players that may or may not even work out. Reminds me of when the NBA was drafting high schoolers and Euros who had zero tape to show they deserved the high position.
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* in 2020, Justin Flowe and Noah Sewell were 5-star; some 4-stars were Trey Benson, Jay Butterfield, Maceal Afaese, & Kris Hutson
* in 2021 Kingsley Saumataia was a 5-star; Troy Franklin and JPJ were 4 stars; but so were Bram Walden, Donte Thornton, Ty Thompson, Keith Brown, Avante Dickerson,, Byron Cardwell,, Daymon David, Jabril McNeill, Jaylin Davies, Jonah Miller, Keanu Williams (how many of those guys should the Ducks limited NIL been invested in?)
* in 2022, Josh Connerly was a 5-star while Jahlil Florence, Jordan James and Dave Iuli were 4-star. The other 4-stars? Jalil Tucker, Devon Jackson, Kyler Kasper, Khamari Terrell, Ben Roberts, Justius Lowe, Trejon Williaiamn, Emar'rion Winston, & Harrison Taggart
* in 2023, Jurrion Dickey was the 5-star and Matayo, Sadiq, Purchase, Laloulu, and Novosad were 4-stars. But so were Roderick Pleasant, Daylen Austin, Johnny Bowens, Dante Dowdell, Aston Cozart, Cole Martin, Kody DeCambra, George Silva, Ashton Porter, & Jayden Limar

honestly, going thru those classes looking at the 4 and 5 star recruits, I'd say their are more misses than hits; at the minimum about 50-50 if you gauge by some patience till they are upper-classmen. But then, how many of those 'patience-recruits' hit the transfer portal. And my assumption is that there will be a pretty strong correlation between star-ratings and NIL demands from the camps of recruits

on the other hand, how about the transfer portal:

* 2022: Bo Nix, Taki Taimani, Christian Gonzalez, Andrew Boyle, Bucky Irving, Noah Whittington, Chase Cota, Jordan Riley, Casey Rogers, Caleb Chapman

* 2023: Nikko Reed, Nishad Strother, Gary Bryant Jr., Casey Kelly, Tysheem Johnson, Jordan Burch, Evan Williams, Conner Soelle, Tez Johnson, Ajani Cornelius, Junior Angilau, Khyree Jackson, Treashon Holdin, Jestin Jacobs

* 2024: Dillon Gabriel, Peyton Woodyard, Dereck Harmon, Kobe Savage, Dante Moore, Jabbar Muhammed, Brandon Johnson, Jamaree Caldwell, Evan Stewart, Atticus Sappington, Kam Alexander, Jay Harris, Mathew Bedford

if the hit/miss ratio on HS recruits is in the 40-50% range and the hit/miss on transfers is in the 80-90% range, it's glaringly obvious what NIL dollars are better spent. Obviously, without knowing exactly what any recruit, HS or Transfer is demanding and getting from somewhere, gauging all this is a little iffy, but there is an undeniable common sense quality to the transfer portal.

the decades long paradigms of college football have dramatically shifted
 
wizenheimer said:
* in 2020, Justin Flowe and Noah Sewell were 5-star; some 4-stars were Trey Benson, Jay Butterfield, Maceal Afaese, & Kris Hutson
* in 2021 Kingsley Saumataia was a 5-star; Troy Franklin and JPJ were 4 stars; but so were Bram Walden, Donte Thornton, Ty Thompson, Keith Brown, Avante Dickerson,, Byron Cardwell,, Daymon David, Jabril McNeill, Jaylin Davies, Jonah Miller, Keanu Williams (how many of those guys should the Ducks limited NIL been invested in?)
* in 2022, Josh Connerly was a 5-star while Jahlil Florence, Jordan James and Dave Iuli were 4-star. The other 4-stars? Jalil Tucker, Devon Jackson, Kyler Kasper, Khamari Terrell, Ben Roberts, Justius Lowe, Trejon Williaiamn, Emar'rion Winston, & Harrison Taggart
* in 2023, Jurrion Dickey was the 5-star and Matayo, Sadiq, Purchase, Laloulu, and Novosad were 4-stars. But so were Roderick Pleasant, Daylen Austin, Johnny Bowens, Dante Dowdell, Aston Cozart, Cole Martin, Kody DeCambra, George Silva, Ashton Porter, & Jayden Limar

honestly, going thru those classes looking at the 4 and 5 star recruits, I'd say their are more misses than hits; at the minimum about 50-50 if you gauge by some patience till they are upper-classmen. But then, how many of those 'patience-recruits' hit the transfer portal. And my assumption is that there will be a pretty strong correlation between star-ratings and NIL demands from the camps of recruits

on the other hand, how about the transfer portal:

* 2022: Bo Nix, Taki Taimani, Christian Gonzalez, Andrew Boyle, Bucky Irving, Noah Whittington, Chase Cota, Jordan Riley, Casey Rogers, Caleb Chapman

* 2023: Nikko Reed, Nishad Strother, Gary Bryant Jr., Casey Kelly, Tysheem Johnson, Jordan Burch, Evan Williams, Conner Soelle, Tez Johnson, Ajani Cornelius, Junior Angilau, Khyree Jackson, Treashon Holdin, Jestin Jacobs

* 2024: Dillon Gabriel, Peyton Woodyard, Dereck Harmon, Kobe Savage, Dante Moore, Jabbar Muhammed, Brandon Johnson, Jamaree Caldwell, Evan Stewart, Atticus Sappington, Kam Alexander, Jay Harris, Mathew Bedford

if the hit/miss ratio on HS recruits is in the 40-50% range and the hit/miss on transfers is in the 80-90% range, it's glaringly obvious what NIL dollars are better spent. Obviously, without knowing exactly what any recruit, HS or Transfer is demanding and getting from somewhere, gauging all this is a little iffy, but there is an undeniable common sense quality to the transfer portal.

the decades long paradigms of college football have dramatically shifted
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Yup. I love the transfer portal.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Yup. I love the transfer portal.
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I do to. And NIL along with the transfer portal were both a long time coming. The most amazing thing is how many decades the courts allowed the NCAA to function like it had a federal anti-trust exemption. Once that was rightfully taken away, the authority of the NCAA collapsed

but there is an undeniable 'rich will get richer' inevitability with the unregulated landscape of college football and basketball. Eugene doesn't have the NIL capacity of Los Angeles or Dallas. Same with Oregon vs California or Texas. The Ducks had the jump on things the first 2-3 years of the new paradigm because of the organization efficiency of Division Street. But the big boys have caught up
 
wizenheimer said:
I do to. And NIL along with the transfer portal were both a long time coming. The most amazing thing is how many decades the courts allowed the NCAA to function like it had a federal anti-trust exemption. Once that was rightfully taken away, the authority of the NCAA collapsed

but there is an undeniable 'rich will get richer' inevitability with the unregulated landscape of college football and basketball. Eugene doesn't have the NIL capacity of Los Angeles or Dallas. Same with Oregon vs California or Texas. The Ducks had the jump on things the first 2-3 years of the new paradigm because of the organization efficiency of Division Street. But the big boys have caught up
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Yup. This is why I think a super league is inevitable with collective bargaining.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Yup. This is why I think a super league is inevitable with collective bargaining.
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you're talking about an anti-trust exemption. I'm not a legal expert but my inclination is to say the exemption wouldn't/couldn't apply to public institutions. The mix of public and private universities probably could not secure the necessary exemption

I remember reading a discussion about this a couple of years ago, and the consensus was that in order for that exemption to be secured, then every public institution would first have to spin-off their football programs into a private corporation. But that would require an actual physical separation from the athletic departments. And those actions were never withstand legal challenge

for instance the UofO would have to sell Autzen stadium to a new corporation. But somehow survive the zoning that would divide Autzen from Pape Field and PK park while also adding the practice facility and maybe the Duck Store. Then what happens to all the other facilities that the football players use? There is simply way too much overlap to facilities and way athletes from sports other than football use those facilities. So, it would probably have to be that the university would have to divest the entire athletic department....but they couldn't because of Title 9 and because of all these facilities being on state owned land. Meaning that every single public university would have to spin off the new corporation while forming lease agreements that adhered to state laws and their charters.

and of course, to be a legal move, the universities would have to surrender direction and control to those new corporations while surviving all the inevitable legal challenges. Meaning: forget about it
 
wizenheimer said:
replay a bit lower in the tweet thread here:





the rule in the NCAA is that a player can not block a base or home plate from a runner without the ball....the catcher never had the ball...clear obstruction
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it was a good call, the coach was a douche in his post game press interview
 
kjironman1 said:
No it wasn’t.
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The runner made no effort to slide. Plate obstruction or not, the runner has an obligation to attempt to reduce the contact. He did not fulfill his obligation.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
The runner made no effort to slide. Plate obstruction or not, the runner has an obligation to attempt to reduce the contact. He did not fulfill his obligation.
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the NCAA came out and explained the rules and explained the call. And yet there are people still arguing that they got it wrong lol
 
PtldPlatypus said:
The runner made no effort to slide. Plate obstruction or not, the runner has an obligation to attempt to reduce the contact. He did not fulfill his obligation.
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Hmm? Which side of the base path was he supposed to choose? Certainly not the right side because the catcher had his knee covering the plate there. Certainly not the left side because the catcher had his other knee and mitt there. Interesting idea that he was supposed to attempt a slide but the catcher wasn’t interested in staying off the base.
 
rumor going around that Evan Stewart seriously injured his knee and is out for the season
 
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