Oregon Ducks recruiting nationally

[Wheels]

I know many are skeptical about Chip Kelly and all that, but this was an interesting read. Could this be the last little kick we need to be in the picture year in and year out? The transition from Brooks putting us on the map. Bellotti giving this program traction and in peoples minds. Now Kelly? can he get us over that last hurdle?

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/recruiting/football/columns/story?columnist=shurburtt_jc&id=4283168

 

[Tince]

This is a risk, but the only way they are going to take the next step. If you wanted to compete with USC, you can't do it with the limited D1 players in the NW.

Oregon has the brand and marketing ability to pull this off, but it won't be easy.

 

[Wheels]

This is a risk, but the only way they are going to take the next step. If you wanted to compete with USC, you can't do it with the limited D1 players in the NW.

Oregon has the brand and marketing ability to pull this off, but it won't be easy.

agree.. its what needs to be done IMO.. but there will be a lot more known strikeouts while swinging for the fences (I.E. Pryor, Bryce Brown, and Tahj Boyd) but I think I like what Kelly is doing as this being the next step.

 

[Tince]

agree.. its what needs to be done IMO.. but there will be a lot more known strikeouts while swinging for the fences (I.E. Pryor, Bryce Brown, and Tahj Boyd) but I think I like what Kelly is doing as this being the next step.

What I never understood, was the negative comments that went with the "strikeouts". Even if you only get 1 east coast blue-chipper every 4 years, it's better than what Oregon did before.

 

[Wheels]

What I never understood, was the negative comments that went with the "strikeouts". Even if you only get 1 east coast blue-chipper every 4 years, it's better than what Oregon did before.

Exactly. Oh well some people will always bitch no matter what (something we both have seen in here this summer lol) but I think we could be on the brink of something special starting here in Oregon.

 

[BlazersBlood]

Well at least the blue chippers are giving UO consideration. 15 years ago they would have laughed at an offer, now they are getting visits and getting national exposure. It's the next step.

What it really comes down to is winning and getting players to succeed at the NFL level.

 

[Ed O]

What I never understood, was the negative comments that went with the "strikeouts". Even if you only get 1 east coast blue-chipper every 4 years, it's better than what Oregon did before.

I think a potential negative is opportunity cost. How many west coast kids did you miss out on while you were wooing the east coast ones?

I'm not saying that the school shouldn't spread its influence, but given the limited amount of resources a school has, there is a cost associated with swinging for the fences and missing...

Ed O.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

Good job by the Ducks.

 

[Haakzilla]

This is a risk, but the only way they are going to take the next step. If you wanted to compete with USC, you can't do it with the limited D1 players in the NW.

Oregon has the brand and marketing ability to pull this off, but it won't be easy.

...it appears that another coach, just 45 minutes to the North, has no problem whatsoever in maximizing his "limited" D1 talent

 

[Wheels]

...it appears that another coach, just 45 minutes to the North, has no problem whatsoever in maximizing his "limited" D1 talent

please dont turn this into a trash talk thread.

 

[Haakzilla]

please dont turn this into a trash talk thread.

I'm just saying...the recruiting numbers/rankings, generally speaking, are somewhat of a "myth"

 

[Tince]

...it appears that another coach, just 45 minutes to the North, has no problem whatsoever in maximizing his "limited" D1 talent

I've got nothing but respect with what Mike Riley has done with limited talent, but you're missing the point. Oregon doesn't want to be on the Oregon St level, they want to be a team who can compete year-in and year-out for the Pac10 title. You can't do that with NW talent alone.

 

[Haakzilla]

I've got nothing but respect with what Mike Riley has done with limited talent, but you're missing the point. Oregon doesn't want to be on the Oregon St level, they want to be a team who can compete year-in and year-out for the Pac10 title. You can't do that with NW talent alone.

...define the word "compete" then, please?! I believe that no team, other than USC, has been more consistent than the Beavers in the PAC10 over the last few years

 

[Wheels]

...define the word "compete" then, please?! I believe that no team, other than USC, has been more consistent than the Beavers in the PAC10 over the last few years

it means that they want to compete for more than just 2nd place.

 

[Wheels]

I'm just saying...the recruiting numbers/rankings, generally speaking, are somewhat of a "myth"

somewhat you are correct, but without blue chip talent competing for more than 2nd or 3rd place in the conference isnt going to happen.

 

[Haakzilla]

it means that they want to compete for more than just 2nd place.

...well then, in that case, I sure hope Chip K is a much better "coach" than Mike B.

 

[Wheels]

...well then, in that case, I sure hope Chip K is a much better "coach" than Mike B.

while I'm not going to be roped into trash talk, and I respect everything Riley does has done. Until Riley gets OSU into the National championship mix a couple times, or even one time, Bellotti has done more for U of O than Riley has OSU. I think your goals are a little lower than what Bellotti's and Kelly's might be. But each to their own.

 

[number 10]

...it appears that another coach, just 45 minutes to the North, has no problem whatsoever in maximizing his "limited" D1 talent

remind me again, what state did your team's two best players come from?

I'm just saying...the recruiting numbers/rankings, generally speaking, are somewhat of a "myth"

I'd argue that they're pretty damn accurate, considering the scope of it all. Obviously some slip through the cracks, but in general, they correctly identify the future stars.

 

[Tince]

...well then, in that case, I sure hope Chip K is a much better "coach" than Mike B.

Well the article is talking about recruiting and I believe that was the topic of this post. USC recruits nationally and they do quite well, so I believe Oregon feels that is the only way to compete with them.

Oregon has finished in the Top10 twice in the last five years. I don't think any other team outside of USC has done that. I could be wrong.

 

[Tince]

ESPN has a poll up that asks people to pick the most powerful 40 teams. Given the small population of Oregon and the prestige of other programs, after over 100k votes, Oregon is #12, voted higher than Tennessee, Miami, Notre Dame, Auburn, Nebraska and many other pretty strong programs. Oregon football has come a long, long way. It also depicts the difference in national opinion about Oregon and Oregon State even though they've had similar records of late.

Total Votes: 103,486

72.0% Penn State
70.4% Ohio State
69.8% Oklahoma
69.3% Florida
68.0% Texas
66.8% LSU
66.8% Georgia
66.5% Alabama
66.1% Michigan
66.0% USC
65.2% Florida State
62.2% Oregon
61.1% Miami (FL)
59.8% Tennessee
59.3% Virginia Tech
58.8% Notre Dame
57.3% Oklahoma State
57.0% Auburn
56.2% Nebraska
55.8% Michigan State
53.9% California
53.9% Wisconsin
53.2% West Virginia
50.7% Texas Tech
50.6% UCLA
49.9% Georgia Tech
47.7% Missouri
45.5% Clemson
43.8% Iowa
42.8% Boston College
42.3% Arkansas
41.5% Texas A&M
38.2% Arizona State
38.1% Mississippi
35.8% Boise State
35.0% Pittsburgh
34.5% Colorado
34.3% Utah
34.3% Illinois
34.1% Oregon State
32.0% South Carolina
31.9% BYU
30.0% Kansas
28.0% Louisville
26.1% North Carolina
24.5% Arizona
24.3% Washington
22.5% Purdue
22.2% TCU
21.7% Maryland
20.3% Virginia
17.5% Minnesota
16.8% Wake Forest
16.6% Kansas State
14.1% Kentucky
14.0% Stanford
13.0% South Florida
13.0% Mississippi State
12.9% Cincinnati
12.6% Rutgers
12.3% North Carolina State
10.5% Fresno State
9.7% Air Force
9.2% Hawaii
9.1% Northwestern
8.2% Washington State
7.8% Indiana
7.3% Navy
6.9% Army
6.7% Syracuse
6.2% Vanderbilt
5.6% East Carolina
5.4% Connecticut
5.0% Iowa State
4.7% Akron
4.7% Southern Miss
4.6% Colorado State
4.4% Baylor
3.1% Arkansas State
3.0% Marshall
3.0% Buffalo
3.0% Houston
2.8% Duke
2.4% New Mexico
2.4% Ball State
2.3% Tulsa
2.3% UCF
2.2% Central Michigan
2.2% Troy
2.1% Wyoming
2.0% Nevada
1.9% UNLV
1.9% San Diego State
1.8% Idaho
1.8% Ohio
1.8% Miami (OH)
1.7% Louisiana Tech
1.7% Memphis
1.7% Utah State
1.5% SMU
1.5% Florida International
1.5% Bowling Green
1.4% Kent State
1.3% Western Michigan
1.3% Louisiana-Lafayette
1.3% Louisiana-Monroe
1.3% Rice
1.3% Temple
1.2% UTEP
1.2% UAB
1.1% Western Kentucky
1.1% Tulane
1.0% San Jose State
1.0% Toledo
0.9% Florida Atlantic
0.9% Northern Illinois
0.9% New Mexico State
0.8% Middle Tennessee State
0.8% Eastern Michigan
0.8% North Texas

 

[yakbladder]

remind me again, what state did your team's two best players come from?


I'd argue that they're pretty damn accurate, considering the scope of it all. Obviously some slip through the cracks, but in general, they correctly identify the future stars.

Why, has football changed to 2 v 2 now? Holy crap that's going to cut down on the scholarships...

I don't think Haak was even taking a swipe at UofO, he was just pointing out that the theory may be flawed that you have to "recruit nationally" to win the PAC-10. No one can even decide what recruit nationally means - does that mean you have to have 1 recruit from every 50 states? Does that mean you have to recruit the blessed East Coast in all it's football-goodness?</sarcasm> Yes, OSU has pulled players this year from as far West as Hawaii, as far North as Alaska, as far East as Nebraska (and before that Florida) and as far South as Texas. But I don't know that I'd consider OSU as "recruiting nationally"...at least for football.

No one is going to beat USC out of the title until Carroll retires or USC beats itself. You can grab 1 or 2 or 3 "nationally recruited" players and it won't push you over the top. In fact, I should go dig up a recent article evaluating the last 3-4 years of recruiting in the PAC-10 and you can see in particular how the magical blue-chip recruits did amongst the particular teams.

 

[Wheels]

No one is going to beat USC out of the title until Carroll retires or USC beats itself. You can grab 1 or 2 or 3 "nationally recruited" players and it won't push you over the top. In fact, I should go dig up a recent article evaluating the last 3-4 years of recruiting in the PAC-10 and you can see in particular how the magical blue-chip recruits did amongst the particular teams.

So teams should just gun for 2nd place because thats good enough. The point is this article wasnt about OSU or any of that, it displays the little brother mentality when it gets turned into threads liek that with comments like that.

 

[MrJayremmie]

please dont turn this into a trash talk thread.

HAAK is halarious because he talks more trash then any person on this board, and then when the Ducks blew out OS in Corvallis he was nowhere to be found for a long while.

He must just be recovering from that bruised ego.

...define the word "compete" then, please?! I believe that no team, other than USC, has been more consistent than the Beavers in the PAC10 over the last few years

Meh, last 2 years, Oregon, 19 wins, 1-1 vs. OS... OS, 18 wins, 1-1 vs Oregon.

I don't think Haak was even taking a swipe at UofO,

If you know HAAK, you know he was.

Anyways, since Kelly came on at Oregon, his first year they were right there in contention for the National Title until the very end, and then last year they won 10 games and didn't even settle on a QB til the end, where they started kicking ass.

 

[number 10]

Why, has football changed to 2 v 2 now? Holy crap that's going to cut down on the scholarships...

nope, but even OSU, a team that is apparently known for recruiting on the west coast, needed to look further afield to find some stars.

I don't think Haak was even taking a swipe at UofO, he was just pointing out that the theory may be flawed that you have to "recruit nationally" to win the PAC-10. No one can even decide what recruit nationally means - does that mean you have to have 1 recruit from every 50 states? Does that mean you have to recruit the blessed East Coast in all it's football-goodness?</sarcasm> Yes, OSU has pulled players this year from as far West as Hawaii, as far North as Alaska, as far East as Nebraska (and before that Florida) and as far South as Texas. But I don't know that I'd consider OSU as "recruiting nationally"...at least for football.

Obviously, "recruiting nationally" is open to interpretation. I'd just take it to mean that a NW team isn't going to be able to challenge USC with talent only from the west coast.[/quote]
No one is going to beat USC out of the title until Carroll retires or USC beats itself. You can grab 1 or 2 or 3 "nationally recruited" players and it won't push you over the top. In fact, I should go dig up a recent article evaluating the last 3-4 years of recruiting in the PAC-10 and you can see in particular how the magical blue-chip recruits did amongst the particular teams.[/QUOTE]For every Cameron Colvin, there's two Jonathan Stewarts. Just because a few blue-chip recruits don't work out doesn't mean they can't make a big difference.

 

[Haakzilla]

HAAK is halarious because he talks more trash then any person on this board, and then when the Ducks blew out OS in Corvallis he was nowhere to be found for a long while.

...you seemed to have forgotten my avatar that I had to display because of that loss

 

[ehizzy3]

oregon has been recruiting nationally..they almost got bryce brown, and were in the running for pryor as well.

 

[Wheels]

oregon has been recruiting nationally..they almost got bryce brown, and were in the running for pryor as well.

yep, most of this "next step" started when CK came on board.

 

[yakbladder]

So teams should just gun for 2nd place because thats good enough. The point is this article wasnt about OSU or any of that, it displays the little brother mentality when it gets turned into threads liek that with comments like that.

Little brother mentality? Have you been smoking the ganja a little too much? My comments had nothing to do with that and in fact, were telling you not to be such a sensitive Sally about Haak's posts.

No, teams shouldn't just gun for 2nd place. But to think that you're going to get 2 or 3 blue chip recruits and suddenly become this powerhouse that outguns USC is asinine for any school. USC has some great recruiting tools and like many other schools in history once the snowball starts rolling it's hard to stop it. If USC could get kicked off it's perch for 2 or even 3 years then, yeah, maybe. But until then...

 

[Wheels]

Little brother mentality? Have you been smoking the ganja a little too much? My comments had nothing to do with that and in fact, were telling you not to be such a sensitive Sally about Haak's posts.

No, teams shouldn't just gun for 2nd place. But to think that you're going to get 2 or 3 blue chip recruits and suddenly become this powerhouse that outguns USC is asinine for any school. USC has some great recruiting tools and like many other schools in history once the snowball starts rolling it's hard to stop it. If USC could get kicked off it's perch for 2 or even 3 years then, yeah, maybe. But until then...

I was referring to comments like that, that Haak made not yours, sorry I could see how that looked like that. Appearently I'm not the only one who could see it in his post either. my point was that this thread was about Ducks recruiting nationally, it had nothing to do with OSU in any way, and somehow it has to be made into that with his comments, thats where the little brother mentality comes in. And no I'm not referring to OSU fans in general.

 

[cloudydays]

So teams should just gun for 2nd place because thats good enough. The point is this article wasnt about OSU or any of that, it displays the little brother mentality when it gets turned into threads liek that with comments like that.

to be fair, let's not forget who was one significant injury *cough*Quizz*cough* away from winning the Pac-10 last year...

Oh and let's also not forget who was one significant injury away from winning the Pac-10 (and possibly NC) the year before...