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Who do you want to be the Next Governor?

  • Tina Kotek

    Votes: 14 48.3%

  • Betsy Johnson

    Votes: 7 24.1%

  • Christine Drazan

    Votes: 1 3.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 1 3.4%

  • None of the Above

    Votes: 4 13.8%

  • I don't live in Oregon

    Votes: 2 6.9%
  • Total voters
    29
My brother in-law a staunch dem because of electrical contactors union and social issues is a life long hunter and member of NRA as his father and grandfathers were, all dems.
He voted for Brown but thinks her work on the homeless issue has been questionable, he says he may vote for Betsy as he doesn't think Tina respects gun owners and ones the are NRA members.
I respect him him because he treats my sis and their kids well, works hard just a likable dude. He's going eld hunting for 10 days in Starky with 7 other democrats.
 
Yes, crime rates dropped by roughly as much in the US the following 10-15 years as well. After the assault weapon ban and while the US nearly doubled the number of privately-owned guns.

Crime rates in the US didn't start rising again until the great recession.
 
Hoopguru said:
My brother in-law a staunch dem because of electrical contactors union and social issues is a life long hunter and member of NRA as his father and grandfathers were, all dems.
He voted for Brown but thinks her work on the homeless issue has been questionable, he says he may vote for Betsy as he doesn't think Tina respects gun owners and ones the are NRA members.
I respect him him because he treats my sis and their kids well, works hard just a likable dude. He's going eld hunting for 10 days in Starky with 7 other democrats.
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My Grandfather and many of his friends feel similar as well.

There are a lot of gun owners in Oregon. A lot of them are democrats. And a lot of them are supporting Betsy for the same reasons you just mentioned.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Brazil virtually banned guns. Violent crime and murder rates increased. Including gun crime.

Australia drastically increased restrictions on guns in the mid 90s, their violent crime and murder rates were almost a mirror of ours as we were letting the assault weapons ban expire and nearly doubling our number of guns. The UK made very similar changes and their violent crime and murder rates actually went up.

We've had magazine limits at the state level in states like Colorado, Chicago, etc, which are also seeing rising violent crime and murder rates...

What we are seeing is a much bigger problem than access to specific weapons.

We have an ever growing population of desperate people and they are acting out of desperation.

Yet Nordic countries have gun ownership rates similar and even higher than we have in the US, including high capacity magazines and military rifles, yet have violent crime and murder rates similar to that of European countries.
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Brazil? Really? You bring that up as your example? What about Australia, Japan, England and a whole host of European countries?
 
Lanny said:
Brazil? Really? You bring that up as your example? What about Australia, Japan, England and a whole host of European countries?
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I brought many of them up as well. And there are many gun control failures I didn't bring up.

You'll see in my post that Australia showed very similar drops in violent crime and murder rates that we did here in the US over the same time frame.

I compared the European countries to the Nordic countries.

I'm not making these comparisons in jest. They are real and I've posted the numbers in this forum multiple times.
You'll also see that I mentioned the UK's mid 90s efforts which actually resulted in a slight rise in violent crime and murder rates. Long term.

The point isn't to say fewer guns causes increased crime rates. Simply that we don't have evidence of a significant impact one way or another.

We do know, for sure, that improving the gini coefficient reduces violent crime and murder rates.
 
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Phatguysrule said:
I brought many of them up as well. And there are many gun control failures I didn't bring up.

You'll see in my post that Australia showed very similar drops in violent crime and murder rates that we did here in the US over the same time frame.

I compared the European countries to the Nordic countries.

I'm not making these comparisons in jest. They are real and I've posted the numbers in this forum multiple times.
You'll also see that I mentioned the UK's mid 90s efforts which actually resulted in a slight rise in violent crime and murder rates. Long term.

The point isn't to say fewer guns causes increased crime rates. Simply that we don't have evidence of a significant impact one way or another.

We do know, for sure, that improving the gini coefficient reduces violent crime and murder rates.
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The evidence is so clear that I'm amazed you can't see it.
I don't believe I'll ever get through to you.
 
Lanny said:
The evidence is so clear that I'm amazed you can't see it.
I don't believe I'll ever get through to you.
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Without consistency in rise or fall of homicide rates post gun control adoption when compared to neighboring or similar countries I don't understand how this can be seen as evidence of anything.
 
This is why I think Betsy takes away votes from Drazen versus Kotek.

'All of that said, there was quite a bit to be learned from the debate. One clear point: The two of the three who appear most often aligned are Johnson and Drazan.

Debates of course only influence final election results, ordinarily, in a limited way. But if the indication from this one, that Drazan and Johnson are in effect sharing much the same message and in effect mostly splitting one sector of support, that would be a big advantage for Kotek. "
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Drazan is not pro choice. Betsy is. That's a huge difference. You are not going to pull the religious nuts over to Betsy because of that.

Kotek on the other hand, if someone doesn't agree with her gun stance, or homeless stance and think she will just be another Kate Brown (that many people dislike from both sides) may go for Betsy.
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Abortion is about the only issue that betsy and drazen completely disagree on.

Kotek would lose those anyway possibly even if it was a two way race.
 
I haven't heard Betsy's full stance on abortion. Someone can call themselves pro choice while believing that abortions shouldn't be done 2 weeks after conception, must get a transvaginal ultrasound, and written permission from her husband, father, and minister.
 
Shaboid said:
Wait, are we making fun of Betsy's weight? It sounds like it..
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SlyPokerCat said:
Hence the yikes. A bad take. You never know when someone could be overweight for medical issues, trauma etc. Best to just leave it alone.
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Oh no certainly not. More that she's older and probably can't run like she used to.
 
Chris Craig said:
Oh no certainly not. More that she's older and probably can't run like she used to.
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That's ageist. You never know when someone could be old for lack of youth, early birthdate, etc. You are really blaming her for something her parents did.

barfo
 
barfo said:
That's ageist. You never know when someone could be old for lack of youth, early birthdate, etc. You are really blaming her for something her parents did.

barfo
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There are certainly some older peeps who could out run me, no doubt.
 
This from Planned Parenthood on Betsy:

“As confirmed by the state’s largest newspaper last month, Planned Parenthood PAC of Oregon invited Betsy Johnson to participate in our endorsement process. We didn’t receive a reply, nor did her campaign proactively reach out to us to inquire about our endorsement process. Yet tonight, she decided to lie to Oregon voters.

“These are not the actions of someone Oregon voters can trust to protect and expand access to essential reproductive health care. Tina Kotek is the only candidate who has sought and earned the endorsement of Planned Parenthood PAC of Oregon after a rigorous and comprehensive process.

“Betsy Johnson has taken a number of concerning actions that do not align with reproductive freedom. In 2015, she voted against legislation to help patients keep their reproductive healthcare choices private. In 2021, she voted against legislation to make sure reproductive health services are protected during healthcare mergers. And in 2022, she spoke out against the Reproductive Health Equity Fund, which is helping Eastern Oregonians access essential care in the wake of Idaho’s cruel ban on abortion.

“In 2022, governors are either pursuing every avenue to protect and expand abortion access, or they’re falling short. In opposing the Reproductive Health Equity Fund, Johnson has shown that she is found wanting.

“Instead of pursuing our endorsement, Johnson was more interested in garnering the approval of anti-abortion extremist and former gubernatorial candidate Bridget Barton. As reported by Oregon Capital Chronicle, Johnson appointed Barton to lead the ‘Republicans for Betsy’ group. Barton admitted, ‘[Christine] Drazan and Johnson are virtually identical on this issue.’”
 
Shaboid said:
That's not how it came across. Fair enough that she's old. Pretty much all politicians are these days.
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Yeah, I got that. Perception is interesting.

Yeah, we need some younger people in office.
 
Shaboid said:
My perception? Not sure what you're insinuating.
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I'm just saying it's interesting one can post something with one intent, and have someone else read it and see something different.

It happened again. As I meant the above and you perceived I was insinuating something.
 
Chris Craig said:
I'm just saying it's interesting one can post something with one intent, and have someone else read it and see something different.

It happened again. As I meant the above and you perceived I was insinuating something.
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I wasn't the only one that read it that way. I think the same thing happened over in the rock bottom thread. Idk. Meanwhile, half our country is overweight or obese.
 
Shaboid said:
I wasn't the only one that read it that way. I think the same thing happened over in the rock bottom thread. Idk. Meanwhile, half our country is overweight or obese.
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Didn't say you were. I know it's a big problem here.
 
barfo said:
This from Planned Parenthood on Betsy:

“As confirmed by the state’s largest newspaper last month, Planned Parenthood PAC of Oregon invited Betsy Johnson to participate in our endorsement process. We didn’t receive a reply, nor did her campaign proactively reach out to us to inquire about our endorsement process. Yet tonight, she decided to lie to Oregon voters.

“These are not the actions of someone Oregon voters can trust to protect and expand access to essential reproductive health care. Tina Kotek is the only candidate who has sought and earned the endorsement of Planned Parenthood PAC of Oregon after a rigorous and comprehensive process.

“Betsy Johnson has taken a number of concerning actions that do not align with reproductive freedom. In 2015, she voted against legislation to help patients keep their reproductive healthcare choices private. In 2021, she voted against legislation to make sure reproductive health services are protected during healthcare mergers. And in 2022, she spoke out against the Reproductive Health Equity Fund, which is helping Eastern Oregonians access essential care in the wake of Idaho’s cruel ban on abortion.

“In 2022, governors are either pursuing every avenue to protect and expand abortion access, or they’re falling short. In opposing the Reproductive Health Equity Fund, Johnson has shown that she is found wanting.

“Instead of pursuing our endorsement, Johnson was more interested in garnering the approval of anti-abortion extremist and former gubernatorial candidate Bridget Barton. As reported by Oregon Capital Chronicle, Johnson appointed Barton to lead the ‘Republicans for Betsy’ group. Barton admitted, ‘[Christine] Drazan and Johnson are virtually identical on this issue.’”
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Thank you for posting that.
 
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