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Who do you want to be the Next Governor?

  • Tina Kotek

    Votes: 14 48.3%

  • Betsy Johnson

    Votes: 7 24.1%

  • Christine Drazan

    Votes: 1 3.4%

  • Other

    Votes: 1 3.4%

  • None of the Above

    Votes: 4 13.8%

  • I don't live in Oregon

    Votes: 2 6.9%
  • Total voters
    29
Phatguysrule said:
Betsy is here for the little people.

The timber heiress who at one point owned a fleet of helicopters has our best interests at heart.
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Plus her A• rating from the NRA.

doesn’t cut it, thankfully, post-Uvalde
 
Has anyone seen a Tina Kotek ad? I'm out of state at the moment, but before I left I saw a TON of Drazen and Johnson ads, but nothing from Kotek. Which seems odd, as I wouldn't expect her to be short on cash.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Has anyone seen a Tina Kotek ad? I'm out of state at the moment, but before I left I saw a TON of Drazen and Johnson ads, but nothing from Kotek. Which seems odd, as I wouldn't expect her to be short on cash.

barfo
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They started picking up after the Labor Day weekend. I'm trying to avoid local network TV with all of the ads in an attempt to maintain my sanity.
 
Stevenson said:
Betsy seems too be a wolf in sheep's clothing, as does Drazen. Betsy has an A rating from the NRA, and Christine is anti-abortion. As much as I would prefer to not vote for Tina, both of those stands are deal killers for me. So Kotek it is.
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Tina is a wolf in Browns clothing.....
 
Hoopguru said:
Tina is a wolf in Browns clothing.....
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I’ve met both Tina and Betsy. Both came to my workplace. Both are solid people with a the very best intentions for the State. They do have differing ideas about how to get there.
I was impressed with Tina and her overall knowledge on not just Portland but the civic divide in the state. I liked her ideas on how to bridge those issues.
Betsy was less articulate about the issues facing both Portland and the Rural areas but I have no doubt she is capable of getting better educated on those issues.
Drazen has declined to make an attempt to work with us or even communicate. Maybe she will reconsider?
 
Stevenson said:
My friend's wife used to work with her. Says she is "batshit crazy."
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I don't like any of the candidates. I'm scared Betsy and Tina will split enough that Drazan wins. She is running and saying all the right things about crime and homeless clean up that resonates with people. Her big downfall that gives me hope she doesn't win is she is so Pro life I couldn't imagine Oregon moderates end up voting for her.

I'll likely be voting for Tina and crossing my fingers. But, I don't have a ton of confidence in Tina.

I can totally see Betsy being outside the box, or batshit crazy, as you said.
 
I see zero chance of a significant swath of would-be dem voters going for Betsy. She's going to hurt Drazen much more than Kotek.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
I don't like any of the candidates. I'm scared Betsy and Tina will split enough that Drazan wins. She is running and saying all the right things about crime and homeless clean up that resonates with people. Her big downfall that gives me hope she doesn't win is she is so Pro life I couldn't imagine Oregon moderates end up voting for her.

I'll likely be voting for Tina and crossing my fingers. But, I don't have a ton of confidence in Tina.

I can totally see Betsy being outside the box, or batshit crazy, as you said.
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This is how I feel as well.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I see zero chance of a significant swath of would-be dem voters going for Betsy. She's going to hurt Drazen much more than Kotek.
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So the Oregonian published a poll today, 32% Drazan, 31% Kotek, 18% Johnson.

Assuming the poll is accurate, then I'd say Johnson is taking more votes from Kotek than Drazen, because in a 2 way race, there's just no way that Drazen would be ahead. At least, conventional wisdom would say so.

So, potential Betsy voters, this should be a wake-up call. She ain't gonna win. Who's your second choice - is it Drazen?

barfo
 
barfo said:
So the Oregonian published a poll today, 32% Drazan, 31% Kotek, 18% Johnson.

Assuming the poll is accurate, then I'd say Johnson is taking more votes from Kotek than Drazen, because in a 2 way race, there's just no way that Drazen would be ahead. At least, conventional wisdom would say so.

So, potential Betsy voters, this should be a wake-up call. She ain't gonna win. Who's your second choice - is it Drazen?

barfo
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Yikes.

Think about what things are important to voters who would support Johnson instead of a Democrat...
 
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Phatguysrule said:
Yikes.

Think about what things are important to voters who would support Johnson instead of a Democrat...
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Not sure how you mean that, although it's a reasonable question/comment in any case.

barfo
 
I would think that Betsy is taking away votes from Drazan as moderates/independents imo anyway would probably lean more towards them? I do know a number of Dems that are NRA members/strong union that may vote against Kotek?
 
Hoopguru said:
I would think that Betsy is taking away votes from Drazan as moderates/independents imo anyway would probably lean more towards them? I do know a number of Dems that are NRA members/strong union that may vote against Kotek?
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Crazy that Dems have totally lost the unions...
 
twobullz said:
The three candidates did a debate here in Central Oregon last night. Here is it if anyone wants to watch it. I will wait to share my opinion until others had a chance to watch.

https://ktvz.com/videos/local-videos/2022/09/27/decision-2022-oregon-gubernatorial-debate-part-1/

https://ktvz.com/news/election/2022/09/27/decision-2022-oregon-gubernatorial-debate-part-2/
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Thank you for this. I listened to about the first 55minutes of the debate this morning. These are my summaries:
  • Opening salvo:
    • Johnson: "Oregon won't go anywhere if we're divided. I won't let anything pass without bi-partisan support. I am supported by former heads of both parties, a republican ex-senator and a democrat ex-governor."
    • Kotek: "I'm a good person. I volunteer. Central Oregon likes to get stuff done, and so do I."
    • Drazan: "Kate Johnson sucked. You're no better off now than 8 years ago, and probably worse off. These other two aren't going to do anything different than she did, but I will."
  • Gun violence (measure 114)
    • Kotek: "I support the measure. NRA supports both my opponents. We need to pass 114 and support additional new regulations ensuring background check on every sale, red flag laws, raising age to 21 to buy 'guns of war'. I am committed to ensuring young people no longer have to do active shooter drills in school."
    • Drazan: "I oppose the measure. Our gun laws are already strong. Laws will not prevent every tragedy. Government taking more freedoms will not make us more free."
    • Johnson: "I oppose the measure. It's costly to small local governments and not funded. I support additional gun laws including raising the age for some guns--but this is not a good measure.
      • Rebuttals:
        • Kotek: "I don't believe you Betsy, and nobody else does either"
        • Johnson: "You supported Kate Johnson releasing violent criminals"
        • Drazan: "Neither of you made kids safer. You even supported drug-user needle exchanges near schools
  • Homelessness
    • Drazan: "I'll declare a state of emergency on homelessness. Need to support mental health and shelter space, but need to hold people accountable for making poor choices, including those who choose homelessness."
    • Johnson: "I'm actually doing something about it, repurposing wasted space. We need to reverse our "laissez-faire" attitude toward drugs. We need to address mental health."
    • Kotek: "I agree that we can restrict where people can live outside. We need to work tent-by-tent with individuals. My opponents opposed project 'turn-key'"
      • Rebuttals
        • Johnson: "I didn't oppose turn-key, but I had questions about its cost. Also, Kotek voted to allow tent cities"
        • Drazan: "Tent-cities are Kotek's fault. Both she and Johnson allowed measure 110."
        • Kotek: "I didn't say living outside was OK--just that it was unconstitutional to jail people for doing so."
  • Housing affordability
    • Johnson: "Affordability is due to supply. Need to build 580K units next 10 years. Need to make more land available and reduce regulation. Need to expand urban growth boundaries."
    • Kotek: "Need 360K units the next 10 years. More construction workers. Get young people into trades."
    • Drazan: "Kotek has been one of the chief regulators to put more restrictions and costs on builders."
      • Rebuttals:
        • Kotek: "I tried to protect people from being evicted, and these two fought me on it."
        • Johnson: "But we also needed to protect the landlords who had 2 years of costs and no rent"
        • Drazan: "This was a one-party failure, where we had money to get out to landlords to support their lost rent, and the democrat-run state government failed to do so."
  • Grade for Kate Brown in pandemic handling
    • Kotek: "Not gonna grade Kate. I'll grade the legislature that we were all a part of. My opponents here fought me on everything, so I'll generously give them a D+"
    • Drazan: "Not surprised. Kotek refused to hold Brown accountable for anything. I will--she gets an F because of how long kids were out of school. They were impacted the most by our COVID response."
    • Johnson: "Completely agree with everything Drazan just said."
      • Rebuttals:
        • Kotek: "I didn't want schools to be closed so long. We need to focus on supporting kids now."
        • Drazan: "Both opponents voted against reopening schools."
        • Johnson: "No, Christine, that's inaccurate."
  • What will you do to support hospitals?
    • Drazan: "I will support a well-rounded healthcare system. I will lead with facts, not fear."
    • Johnson: "I supported hospitals. Kotek put too many conditions on money that could have been given to hospitals."
    • Kotek: "I advocate for access to affordable healthcare. I support the people on the ground, not the CEO's. I'm supported by nurses. My opponents are supported by CEO's."
      • Rebuttals
        • Johnson: "This is where an independent governor is valuable, because I wouldn't be beholden to nurses associations or other political lobbying organizations."
        • Drazan: "This is the problem with a single-party system. We can't be picking winners and losers."
        • Kotek: "We can't take care of our people if we don't have workers to care for them. We don't have a "nurses" shortage; we have nurses who aren't willing to be mistreated by organizations run by overpaid and unregulated executives"
        • Drazan: "Eroding the foundations of the hospital system will ensure that the nurses won't have anywhere to work."
  • Our standardized test scores have dropped. What would you do?
    • Johson: "First, raise standards. Make schools focus on core competencies rather than socio-political issues.
    • Kotek: "Kids need mental wellness supported, smaller class sizes, and more choices around career and technical education. I passed a bill to help with that. Drazan voted against it, and Johnson doesn't like it"
    • Drazan: "I'm the only parent on this stage. Yes raise standards. Restore stronger graduation requirements.
      • Rebuttal
        • Johnson: "The problem with the student success act was the lack of accountability built into it. We also needed PERS reform, and it wasn't there."
        • Kotek: "Neither of these other two want more money in schools. I'm not going to politicize our schools."
        • Drazan: "I had legislation to fully fund schools--Kotek killed it. She picked winners and losers, and our kids suffered for it."
  • What are your beliefs on higher education and funding
    • Kotek: "Need to increase college funding and support for student cost. Need to fund community colleges. Increase Oregon opportunity grant."
    • Drazan: "Community colleges are wonderful. I love them. University system also needs to commit helping students graduate in 4 years."
    • Johnson: "I think this is one of the few things that we all agree on. Universities need to stop cannibalizing each other--our 7 public universities need to complement each other rather than compete."
  • When does life begin; should Oregon law be changed?
    • Drazan: "Yes, I'm pro-life. Oregon laws are the most extreme--elective abortion the day before birth is legal. I will uphold the law, even if I disagree with it."
    • Johnson: "I'm unapologetically pro-choice. I'm not going to opine on when life begins--I'm not a doctor. But I fully support a woman's right to choose."
    • Kotek: "Medical choice is a personal thing. Government should not be involved. Our laws are not extreme--they're where they need to be. It's not enough to say you'll follow the law; you need to champion them. I'm the only candidate supported by Planned Parenthood."
      • Rebuttals:
        • Johnson: "Planned Parenthood is wholly-owned by the democratic party; I was not given the opportunity to be supported by them. But I'm absolutely as pro-choice as anybody."
        • Kotek: "No--you were given the choice to present to them; you chose not too. I'm the only one who can be trusted to protect women's rights."
  • Measure 110 (decriminalized small amounts of hard drugs)--stand or repeal?
    • Johnson: "Repeal. It's terrible. Drug problem in this state makes us an attractive place for drug abusers. Needs to go back to voters a second time."
    • Kotek: "Voters said we need a better way than just jailing drug users. I'm not quitting on this. 110 may be imperfect, but we need to refine, not repeal."
    • Drazan: "110 is killing people--OD deaths are up 20%. This needs to be repealed."
      • Rebuttal
        • Johnson: "$800M has gone out with no accountability. We don't just throw more good money after bad"
        • Drazan: "I opposed this measure from the beginning"
        • Kotek: "people are dying, and we want to spend time repealing laws? We need to get more recovery services out there and get people healthy"
        • Drazan: "This is Kotek--don't change, just keep doing the same thing we're already doing badly"

They were just getting to climate change when I had to stop. I'll have to catch the rest of it later.
 
SlyPokerCat said:
I know it is just a poll but I'm telling ya'll. Drazan has a real shot and it makes me cringe.

Vote for Tina. I don't even like her. But just do it.
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Yeah, the poll is a small number of voters comparitively. But, I don't want Drazen anywhere near the governor's office. We don't need to become the next Florida.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Thank you for this. I listened to about the first 55minutes of the debate this morning. These are my summaries:
  • Opening salvo:
    • Johnson: "Oregon won't go anywhere if we're divided. I won't let anything pass without bi-partisan support. I am supported by former heads of both parties, a republican ex-senator and a democrat ex-governor."
    • Kotek: "I'm a good person. I volunteer. Central Oregon likes to get stuff done, and so do I."
    • Drazan: "Kate Johnson sucked. You're no better off now than 8 years ago, and probably worse off. These other two aren't going to do anything different than she did, but I will."
  • Gun violence (measure 114)
    • Kotek: "I support the measure. NRA supports both my opponents. We need to pass 114 and support additional new regulations ensuring background check on every sale, red flag laws, raising age to 21 to buy 'guns of war'. I am committed to ensuring young people no longer have to do active shooter drills in school."
    • Drazan: "I oppose the measure. Our gun laws are already strong. Laws will not prevent every tragedy. Government taking more freedoms will not make us more free."
    • Johnson: "I oppose the measure. It's costly to small local governments and not funded. I support additional gun laws including raising the age for some guns--but this is not a good measure.
      • Rebuttals:
        • Kotek: "I don't believe you Betsy, and nobody else does either"
        • Johnson: "You supported Kate Johnson releasing violent criminals"
        • Drazan: "Neither of you made kids safer. You even supported drug-user needle exchanges near schools
  • Homelessness
    • Drazan: "I'll declare a state of emergency on homelessness. Need to support mental health and shelter space, but need to hold people accountable for making poor choices, including those who choose homelessness."
    • Johnson: "I'm actually doing something about it, repurposing wasted space. We need to reverse our "laissez-faire" attitude toward drugs. We need to address mental health."
    • Kotek: "I agree that we can restrict where people can live outside. We need to work tent-by-tent with individuals. My opponents opposed project 'turn-key'"
      • Rebuttals
        • Johnson: "I didn't oppose turn-key, but I had questions about its cost. Also, Kotek voted to allow tent cities"
        • Drazan: "Tent-cities are Kotek's fault. Both she and Johnson allowed measure 110."
        • Kotek: "I didn't say living outside was OK--just that it was unconstitutional to jail people for doing so."
  • Housing affordability
    • Johnson: "Affordability is due to supply. Need to build 580K units next 10 years. Need to make more land available and reduce regulation. Need to expand urban growth boundaries."
    • Kotek: "Need 360K units the next 10 years. More construction workers. Get young people into trades."
    • Drazan: "Kotek has been one of the chief regulators to put more restrictions and costs on builders."
      • Rebuttals:
        • Kotek: "I tried to protect people from being evicted, and these two fought me on it."
        • Johnson: "But we also needed to protect the landlords who had 2 years of costs and no rent"
        • Drazan: "This was a one-party failure, where we had money to get out to landlords to support their lost rent, and the democrat-run state government failed to do so."
  • Grade for Kate Brown in pandemic handling
    • Kotek: "Not gonna grade Kate. I'll grade the legislature that we were all a part of. My opponents here fought me on everything, so I'll generously give them a D+"
    • Drazan: "Not surprised. Kotek refused to hold Brown accountable for anything. I will--she gets an F because of how long kids were out of school. They were impacted the most by our COVID response."
    • Johnson: "Completely agree with everything Drazan just said."
      • Rebuttals:
        • Kotek: "I didn't want schools to be closed so long. We need to focus on supporting kids now."
        • Drazan: "Both opponents voted against reopening schools."
        • Johnson: "No, Christine, that's inaccurate."
  • What will you do to support hospitals?
    • Drazan: "I will support a well-rounded healthcare system. I will lead with facts, not fear."
    • Johnson: "I supported hospitals. Kotek put too many conditions on money that could have been given to hospitals."
    • Kotek: "I advocate for access to affordable healthcare. I support the people on the ground, not the CEO's. I'm supported by nurses. My opponents are supported by CEO's."
      • Rebuttals
        • Johnson: "This is where an independent governor is valuable, because I wouldn't be beholden to nurses associations or other political lobbying organizations."
        • Drazan: "This is the problem with a single-party system. We can't be picking winners and losers."
        • Kotek: "We can't take care of our people if we don't have workers to care for them. We don't have a "nurses" shortage; we have nurses who aren't willing to be mistreated by organizations run by overpaid and unregulated executives"
        • Drazan: "Eroding the foundations of the hospital system will ensure that the nurses won't have anywhere to work."
  • Our standardized test scores have dropped. What would you do?
    • Johson: "First, raise standards. Make schools focus on core competencies rather than socio-political issues.
    • Kotek: "Kids need mental wellness supported, smaller class sizes, and more choices around career and technical education. I passed a bill to help with that. Drazan voted against it, and Johnson doesn't like it"
    • Drazan: "I'm the only parent on this stage. Yes raise standards. Restore stronger graduation requirements.
      • Rebuttal
        • Johnson: "The problem with the student success act was the lack of accountability built into it. We also needed PERS reform, and it wasn't there."
        • Kotek: "Neither of these other two want more money in schools. I'm not going to politicize our schools."
        • Drazan: "I had legislation to fully fund schools--Kotek killed it. She picked winners and losers, and our kids suffered for it."
  • What are your beliefs on higher education and funding
    • Kotek: "Need to increase college funding and support for student cost. Need to fund community colleges. Increase Oregon opportunity grant."
    • Drazan: "Community colleges are wonderful. I love them. University system also needs to commit helping students graduate in 4 years."
    • Johnson: "I think this is one of the few things that we all agree on. Universities need to stop cannibalizing each other--our 7 public universities need to complement each other rather than compete."
  • When does life begin; should Oregon law be changed?
    • Drazan: "Yes, I'm pro-life. Oregon laws are the most extreme--elective abortion the day before birth is legal. I will uphold the law, even if I disagree with it."
    • Johnson: "I'm unapologetically pro-choice. I'm not going to opine on when life begins."
    • Kotek: "Medical choice is a personal thing. Government should not be involved. Our laws are not extreme--they're where they need to be. It's not enough to say you'll follow the law; you need to champion them."
  • Measure 110 (decriminalized small amounts of hard drugs)--stand or repeal?
    • Johnson: "Repeal. It's terrible. Drug problem in this state makes us an attractive place for drug abusers. Needs to go back to voters a second time."
    • Kotek: "Voters said we need a better way than just jailing drug users. I'm not quitting on this. 110 may be imperfect, but we need to refine, not repeal."
    • Drazan: "110 is killing people--OD deaths are up 20%. This needs to be repealed."
      • Rebuttal
        • Johnson: "$800M has gone out with no accountability. We don't just throw more good money after bad"
        • Drazan: "I opposed this measure from the beginning"
        • Kotek: "people are dying, and we want to spend time repealing laws? We need to get more recovery services out there and get people healthy"
        • Drazan: "This is Kotek--don't change, just keep doing the same thing we're already doing badly"

They were just getting to climate change when I had to stop. I'll have to catch the rest of it later.
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Nice summaries. I will warn you when they hit the 1.5 hour mark they cut it off mid sentence so the end is missing. This happened live in TV and streaming.

The one thing I will add to your summaries about the hospitals, is that Johnson and Drazan to me both seemed more worried about protecting the CEO and their pay compared to the people in the field.
 
Chris Craig said:
Yeah, the poll is a small number of voters comparitively. But, I don't want Drazen anywhere near the governor's office. We don't need to become the next Florida.
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Noway we would become the next Florida and if Drazen wins its more of a vote against the Brown regime. Similar to win Hillary lost to dingleberry. Sometimes people just want a change from status quo.
Ill prob vote Betsy she seems to be the only one willing to mediate and conciliate a bi partisan effort.
 
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